Does Ahron Ulis Pass Joe Toussaint on the Depth Chart Next Year?

[DanHawkPella]

It’s a good question, as Ulis is more of a conventional PG who runs the offense and takes care of the ball while Joe T colors outside of the lines more and creates while not always maintaining offensive flow. Joe T has 33assists to 20 turnovers and has a 38% FG% so those numbers do open the door a bit.

However, I don’t think either of them start:

PG: Connor, Joe T / Ulis
SG: CJF, Perkins / Patrick (??)
SF: Patrick, Keegan
PF: Keegan, Kris
C: Nunge, Big O / transfer

I think Keegan has to start so moving Connor to PG makes sense.

Keegan is a SF while Kris is a PF, so makes me wonder if Patrick can play some SG at times to Getz Kris minutes at PF. If Joe W is back then it all changes but still think Connor at PG and Keegan at PF makes most sense.

 

[kcgolfer]

I assume some of you Joe T non-believers are some of the same who told JBo to stop shooting. Nunge to stop shooting 3’s and last year didn’t want Garza taking 3’s. Sorry, you were wrong then and wrong now.

 

[RocknRollface]

It’s a good question, as Ulis is more of a conventional PG who runs the offense and takes care of the ball while Joe T colors outside of the lines more and creates while not always maintaining offensive flow. Joe T has 33assists to 20 turnovers and has a 38% FG% so those numbers do open the door a bit.

However, I don’t think either of them start:

PG: Connor, Joe T / Ulis
SG: CJF, Perkins / Patrick (??)
SF: Patrick, Keegan
PF: Keegan, Kris
C: Nunge, Big O / transfer

I think Keegan has to start so moving Connor to PG makes sense.

Keegan is a SF while Kris is a PF, so makes me wonder if Patrick can play some SG at times to Getz Kris minutes at PF. If Joe W is back then it all changes but still think Connor at PG and Keegan at PF makes most sense.

That scenario has Pat starting instead of either pg.

I don't think there's any chance that happens.

I could possibly see Connor at the 1 to make room for Keegan but the problem is Connor isn't a pg and will not do well being pressured full court by much quicker players.

More likely Joe T starts because he is older and Keegan is first off bench.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

That scenario has Pat starting instead of either pg.

I don't think there's any chance that happens.

I could possibly see Connor at the 1 to make room for Keegan but the problem is Connor isn't a pg and will not do well being pressured full court by much quicker players.

More likely Joe T starts because he is older and Keegan is first off bench.

Connor played a lot of pg 2 years ago and seemed to do just fine being pressured full court by quicker players. That said, I really don’t see him going back to pg with Joe T and Ulis.

 

[RocknRollface]

Connor played a lot of pg 2 years ago and seemed to do just fine being pressured full court by quicker players. That said, I really don’t see him going back to pg with Joe T and Ulis.

I would say he did not do just fine. He was not idealy suited for that position on either end.

I don't think him at the 1 is terrible but it makes no sense given the other options.

 

[DanHawkPella]

That scenario has Pat starting instead of either pg.

I don't think there's any chance that happens.

I could possibly see Connor at the 1 to make room for Keegan but the problem is Connor isn't a pg and will not do well being pressured full court by much quicker players.

More likely Joe T starts because he is older and Keegan is first off bench.

Connor actually does fine against pressure as he uses his size and reverse pivots to navigate ball pressure, much like Bohannon reverse pivots coming up the court. He's fine at PG, just different.

Joe T is one of Iowa's worst players if you look at advanced statistics. He gets more credit than he deserves because he's fun to watch, but sometimes boring players like Connor are twice as effective. I like Joe T and want him to come along, but he doesn't seem any more efficient this year than last year and the statistics like Box Plus/Minus, Win Share, Player Efficiency, effective FG percentage, and Turnover Percentage would not argue that he's a slam dunk for 20+ minutes next year. He will need to play much better to do that.

Connor btw hasn't had a great year relative to last season, but his BPM, WS/40 and eFG% are still considerably higher than Joe T's. (Keegan's number, btw, jump off the page, so people arguing he should get a few more minutes have a very strong argument if you are using efficiency statistics).

Here's the advanced stats if interested: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2021.html

Rk	Player	MP	PER	TS%	eFG%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%		WS/40		BPM
1	Luka Garza	419	42.2	.696	.676	14.9	11.2	0.8	6.1	7.2		.361		17.2
2	Joe Wieskamp	377	22.9	.605	.579	12.0	9.0	2.0	0.5	10.7		.203		7.6
3	Jordan Bohannon	391	17.9	.609	.596	6.3	25.7	1.3	0.0	14.2		.169		8.0
4	CJ Fredrick	369	16.6	.647	.634	2.2	14.0	0.7	0.3	3.6		.163		6.8
5	Keegan Murray	208	27.1	.666	.650	15.5	6.1	4.5	8.4	15.8		.228		11.9
6	Connor McCaffery	309	12.2	.478	.449	8.3	26.1	1.8	0.3	18.9		.138		4.7
7	Jack Nunge	194	22.6	.525	.486	17.7	13.8	0.8	5.8	12.8		.200		5.9
8	Patrick McCaffery	207	18.6	.511	.464	11.2	10.1	1.3	3.0	7.7		.168		4.3
9	Joe Toussaint	182	12.2	.447	.397	4.8	29.1	4.5	0.6	24.9		.081		0.1
10	Ahron Ulis	68	18.3	.693	.444	4.5	21.8	0.0	0.0	19.4		.193		3.4

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

I would say he did not do just fine. He was not idealy suited for that position on either end.

I don't think him at the 1 is terrible but it makes no sense given the other options.

Really? Okay but I would go as far to say his addition at pg was a major part for the drastic improvement from the 2017-18 team to 2018-19 team. . 2017-18 was a disaster when trying to give Bohannon a break at pg and Connor comes in with 100+ assists the following year and turnovers decreased.

 

[RocknRollface]

Really? Okay but I would go as far to say his addition at pg was a major part for the drastic improvement from the 2017-18 team to 2018-19 team. . 2017-18 was a disaster when trying to give Bohannon a break at pg and Connor comes in with 100+ assists the following year and turnovers decreased.

That I would agree with.

The year JBO was the only ballhandler was rough.

Connor was a huge improvement vs not having him.

I think Connor does better with bigger players guarding him that can't pressure him. And i think he does better guarding 3s and 4s too.

Fran put him on Pete Nance Sunday and he did a very good job.

 

[CleteyColgate]

It’s a good question, as Ulis is more of a conventional PG who runs the offense and takes care of the ball while Joe T colors outside of the lines more and creates while not always maintaining offensive flow. Joe T has 33assists to 20 turnovers and has a 38% FG% so those numbers do open the door a bit.

However, I don’t think either of them start:

PG: Connor, Joe T / Ulis
SG: CJF, Perkins / Patrick (??)
SF: Patrick, Keegan
PF: Keegan, Kris
C: Nunge, Big O / transfer

I think Keegan has to start so moving Connor to PG makes sense.

Keegan is a SF while Kris is a PF, so makes me wonder if Patrick can play some SG at times to Getz Kris minutes at PF. If Joe W is back then it all changes but still think Connor at PG and Keegan at PF makes most sense.

Um wut. Ulis doesn't stick around with that crap rotation. Fran ain't gonna do that, either.

 

[RocknRollface]

Connor actually does fine against pressure as he uses his size and reverse pivots to navigate ball pressure, much like Bohannon reverse pivots coming up the court. He's fine at PG, just different.

Joe T is one of Iowa's worst players if you look at advanced statistics. He gets more credit than he deserves because he's fun to watch, but sometimes boring players like Connor are twice as effective. I like Joe T and want him to come along, but he doesn't seem any more efficient this year than last year and the statistics like Box Plus/Minus, Win Share, Player Efficiency, effective FG percentage, and Turnover Percentage would not argue that he's a slam dunk for 20+ minutes next year. He will need to play much better to do that.

Connor btw hasn't had a great year relative to last season, but his BPM, WS/40 and eFG% are still considerably higher than Joe T's. (Keegan's number, btw, jump off the page, so people arguing he should get a few more minutes have a very strong argument if you are using efficiency statistics).

Here's the advanced stats if interested: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2021.html

Rk	Player	MP	PER	TS%	eFG%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%		WS/40		BPM
1	Luka Garza	419	42.2	.696	.676	14.9	11.2	0.8	6.1	7.2		.361		17.2
2	Joe Wieskamp	377	22.9	.605	.579	12.0	9.0	2.0	0.5	10.7		.203		7.6
3	Jordan Bohannon	391	17.9	.609	.596	6.3	25.7	1.3	0.0	14.2		.169		8.0
4	CJ Fredrick	369	16.6	.647	.634	2.2	14.0	0.7	0.3	3.6		.163		6.8
5	Keegan Murray	208	27.1	.666	.650	15.5	6.1	4.5	8.4	15.8		.228		11.9
6	Connor McCaffery	309	12.2	.478	.449	8.3	26.1	1.8	0.3	18.9		.138		4.7
7	Jack Nunge	194	22.6	.525	.486	17.7	13.8	0.8	5.8	12.8		.200		5.9
8	Patrick McCaffery	207	18.6	.511	.464	11.2	10.1	1.3	3.0	7.7		.168		4.3
9	Joe Toussaint	182	12.2	.447	.397	4.8	29.1	4.5	0.6	24.9		.081		0.1
10	Ahron Ulis	68	18.3	.693	.444	4.5	21.8	0.0	0.0	19.4		.193		3.4

Joe Tousaint will start next year. Im nearly positive of that.

If he doesn't it will be Ulis.

 

[KcTo]

Connor actually does fine against pressure as he uses his size and reverse pivots to navigate ball pressure, much like Bohannon reverse pivots coming up the court. He's fine at PG, just different.

Joe T is one of Iowa's worst players if you look at advanced statistics. He gets more credit than he deserves because he's fun to watch, but sometimes boring players like Connor are twice as effective. I like Joe T and want him to come along, but he doesn't seem any more efficient this year than last year and the statistics like Box Plus/Minus, Win Share, Player Efficiency, effective FG percentage, and Turnover Percentage would not argue that he's a slam dunk for 20+ minutes next year. He will need to play much better to do that.

Connor btw hasn't had a great year relative to last season, but his BPM, WS/40 and eFG% are still considerably higher than Joe T's. (Keegan's number, btw, jump off the page, so people arguing he should get a few more minutes have a very strong argument if you are using efficiency statistics).

Here's the advanced stats if interested: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2021.html

Rk	Player	MP	PER	TS%	eFG%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%		WS/40		BPM
1	Luka Garza	419	42.2	.696	.676	14.9	11.2	0.8	6.1	7.2		.361		17.2
2	Joe Wieskamp	377	22.9	.605	.579	12.0	9.0	2.0	0.5	10.7		.203		7.6
3	Jordan Bohannon	391	17.9	.609	.596	6.3	25.7	1.3	0.0	14.2		.169		8.0
4	CJ Fredrick	369	16.6	.647	.634	2.2	14.0	0.7	0.3	3.6		.163		6.8
5	Keegan Murray	208	27.1	.666	.650	15.5	6.1	4.5	8.4	15.8		.228		11.9
6	Connor McCaffery	309	12.2	.478	.449	8.3	26.1	1.8	0.3	18.9		.138		4.7
7	Jack Nunge	194	22.6	.525	.486	17.7	13.8	0.8	5.8	12.8		.200		5.9
8	Patrick McCaffery	207	18.6	.511	.464	11.2	10.1	1.3	3.0	7.7		.168		4.3
9	Joe Toussaint	182	12.2	.447	.397	4.8	29.1	4.5	0.6	24.9		.081		0.1
10	Ahron Ulis	68	18.3	.693	.444	4.5	21.8	0.0	0.0	19.4		.193		3.4

“at some point you are what your records says you are“ Bill Parcells.

When you look at only the B1G results, the delta becomes greater.

I like Joe, I’m pulling for him at IOWA, however, these numbers show why I believe he’s borderline unplayable.

the numbers here also;
Nunge team leading rebounding
Keegan overall excellence and why he needs +20min a game.
JoBo’s over all value > Wieskamp

and the optimized lineup includes Keegan and excludes ConMac.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Um wut. Ulis doesn't stick around with that crap rotation. Fran ain't gonna do that, either.

I agree that Fran won’t do it, but Ulis doesn’t have a ton of leverage to go elsewhere unless he is prepared to drop to a mid major to get more minutes. DePaul and Iowa were his only P5 offers out of high school and he hasn’t played enough minutes to garner other P5 interest in a transfer situation imo. Rutgers might take him 🙂

 

[RocknRollface]

“at some point you are what your records says you are“ Bill Parcells.

When you look at only the B1G results, the delta becomes greater.

I like Joe, I’m pulling for him at IOWA, however, these numbers show why I believe he’s borderline unplayable.

Fran could be splitting all of the pg minutes between JBO and Connor this year and playing Keegan at the 4.

But he isn't and its not likely to happen next year.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Connor actually does fine against pressure as he uses his size and reverse pivots to navigate ball pressure, much like Bohannon reverse pivots coming up the court. He's fine at PG, just different.

Joe T is one of Iowa's worst players if you look at advanced statistics. He gets more credit than he deserves because he's fun to watch, but sometimes boring players like Connor are twice as effective. I like Joe T and want him to come along, but he doesn't seem any more efficient this year than last year and the statistics like Box Plus/Minus, Win Share, Player Efficiency, effective FG percentage, and Turnover Percentage would not argue that he's a slam dunk for 20+ minutes next year. He will need to play much better to do that.

Connor btw hasn't had a great year relative to last season, but his BPM, WS/40 and eFG% are still considerably higher than Joe T's. (Keegan's number, btw, jump off the page, so people arguing he should get a few more minutes have a very strong argument if you are using efficiency statistics).

Here's the advanced stats if interested: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2021.html

Rk	Player	MP	PER	TS%	eFG%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%		WS/40		BPM
1	Luka Garza	419	42.2	.696	.676	14.9	11.2	0.8	6.1	7.2		.361		17.2
2	Joe Wieskamp	377	22.9	.605	.579	12.0	9.0	2.0	0.5	10.7		.203		7.6
3	Jordan Bohannon	391	17.9	.609	.596	6.3	25.7	1.3	0.0	14.2		.169		8.0
4	CJ Fredrick	369	16.6	.647	.634	2.2	14.0	0.7	0.3	3.6		.163		6.8
5	Keegan Murray	208	27.1	.666	.650	15.5	6.1	4.5	8.4	15.8		.228		11.9
6	Connor McCaffery	309	12.2	.478	.449	8.3	26.1	1.8	0.3	18.9		.138		4.7
7	Jack Nunge	194	22.6	.525	.486	17.7	13.8	0.8	5.8	12.8		.200		5.9
8	Patrick McCaffery	207	18.6	.511	.464	11.2	10.1	1.3	3.0	7.7		.168		4.3
9	Joe Toussaint	182	12.2	.447	.397	4.8	29.1	4.5	0.6	24.9		.081		0.1
10	Ahron Ulis	68	18.3	.693	.444	4.5	21.8	0.0	0.0	19.4		.193		3.4

I see that Connor has the highest AST% on the team. How do these advanced stats factor in the ability to make the players around them better? What do these numbers look like when Connor isn’t on the court? I remember a couple of years ago Iowa was tearing it up in nonconference, with a tournament win in that 2K Sports Classic, and culminating in a nice neutral site win against Colorado. Then Connor came down with mono, shut it down, and overall team performance dropped substantially. The numbers may claim otherwise, but my eye test tells me that Connor is a glue guy who I want in the game because of his ability to serve as a calming effect, provide toughness, be a coach on the court, and make the players around him better. Intangibles are a real thing

Additionally some of the players could have great advanced statistics because of their current usage. There is no guarantee that giving guys like Nunge and Murray additional minutes, or putting them into the starting rotation at the expense of guys like Connor or Bohannon would allow them to sustain what they are currently doing

 

[KcTo]

Fran could be splitting all of the pg minutes between JBO and Connor this year and playing Keegan at the 4.

But he isn't and its not likely to happen next year.

(you quoted as I was editing lol, in which I was adding edit in Keegan)

Also Pondering on to maximize Keegans impact, whose minutes do you draw from?

the obvious using the analytics is all of JoeTs minutes (because joet actually brings negative value, yikes), but, according to the analytics values, it’s literally anyone not named Garza.

 

[KcTo]

I see that Connor has the highest AST% on the team. How do these advanced stats factor in the ability to make the players around them better? What do these numbers look like when Connor isn’t on the court? I remember a couple of years ago Iowa was tearing it up in nonconference, with a tournament win in that 2K Sports Classic, and culminating in a nice neutral site win against Colorado. Then Connor came down with mono, shut it down, and overall team performance dropped substantially. The numbers may claim otherwise, but my eye test tells me that Connor is a glue guy who I want in the game because of his ability to serve as a calming effect, provide toughness, be a coach on the court, and make the players around him better. Intangibles are a real thing

Additionally some of the players could have great advanced statistics because of their current usage. There is no guarantee that giving guys like Nunge and Murray additional minutes, or putting them into the starting rotation at the expense of guys like Connor or Bohannon would allow them to sustain what they are currently doing

So if ConMacs ‘intangibles‘ ( which I believe in 5 person team there can be some of this) are vital, and Garza and Keegan are elite box score stuffing performers, which of the 3 shooters loses minutes (JW, JoBo, CJF)?

 

[RocknRollface]

(you quoted as I was editing lol, in which I was adding edit in Keegan)

Also Pondering on to maximize Keegans impact, whose minutes do you draw from?

the obvious using the analytics is all of JoeTs minutes (because joet actually brings negative value, yikes), but, according to the analytics values, it’s literally anyone not named Garza.

Im all for Maximizing Keegan. And I agree Toussaint is playing the worst of everyone in the rotation currently.

But I think Fran wants to keep Toussaint engaged this year because he understands he's going to need him in the future.

He has a skill set that is not present in the rest of the team besides maybe Ulis and Perkins.

 

[KcTo]

Im all for Maximizing Keegan. And I agree Toussaint is playing the worst of everyone in the rotation currently.

But I think Fran wants to keep Toussaint engaged this year because he understands he's going to need him in the future.

He has a skill set that is not present in the rest of the team besides maybe Ulis and Perkins.

100% agree. It’s obvious “from an analytics standpoint“ but players are excel spreadsheets, so you are correct, playing JoeT in 2-4cminute segments, and when comfortable 2h leads, but i believe as the Hawkeyes head deeper into the tournament, the segments should become smaller

in terms of Keegan, I’m for maximizing minutes, not necessarily being the ‘starting 5’ is important

 

[CleteyColgate]

I agree that Fran won’t do it, but Ulis doesn’t have a ton of leverage to go elsewhere unless he is prepared to drop to a mid major to get more minutes. DePaul and Iowa were his only P5 offers out of high school and he hasn’t played enough minutes to garner other P5 interest in a transfer situation imo. Rutgers might take him 🙂

Just stop. All of Iowa's players have options. Good ones. We love them all.

 

[unoHawkeye]

So if ConMacs ‘intangibles‘ ( which I believe in 5 person team there can be some of this) are vital, and Garza and Keegan are elite box score stuffing performers, which of the 3 shooters loses minutes (JW, JoBo, CJF)?

I’m not clamoring for additional minutes for Connor. Of the 5 starters, he’s averaging the fewest MPG by over 4 minutes. Based on matchups and how players are doing, we’ve seen both Nunge and Murray take minutes from Connor, Wieskamp, and Fredrick, which I’m all on board for if Fran feels the matchup necessitates it. For example, Nunge played well and his size was a factor in the UNC game, and he played 22 minutes to Connor’s 17. In other games, Connor has logged substantially more minutes than Jack. In the Maryland game, Pat and Keegan logged more minutes than Wieskamp and Fredrick (and Connor, but he got hurt)

Fran has done a really nice job this year of riding the hot hands in a given game, and I don’t think that there needs to be much of a set change in minutes

 

[unoHawkeye]

Just stop. All of Iowa's players have options. Good ones. We love them all.

Stop what? I wasn’t trying to imply that you had it in for anybody

 

[KcTo]

.

I’m not clamoring for additional minutes for Connor. Of the 5 starters, he’s averaging the fewest MPG by over 4 minutes. Based on matchups and how players are doing, we’ve seen both Nunge and Murray take minutes from Connor, Wieskamp, and Fredrick, which I’m all on board for if Fran feels the matchup necessitates it. For example, Nunge played well and his size was a factor in the UNC game, and he played 22 minutes to Connor’s 17. In other games, Connor has logged substantially more minutes than Jack. In the Maryland game, Pat and Keegan logged more minutes than Wieskamp and Fredrick (and Connor, but he got hurt)

Fran has done a really nice job this year of riding the hot hands in a given game, and I don’t think that there needs to be much of a set change in minutes

I do think there is quite a bit of room to add more meaningful minutes for Keegan, averaging 14m in B1G

5 minutes at Gonzaga
9 minutes at Minnesota

probably doesn’t matter vs Zags, probably does change Minnesota

 

[unoHawkeye]

.

I do think there is quite a bit of room to add more meaningful minutes for Keegan, averaging 14m in B1G

5 minutes at Gonzaga
9 minutes at Minnesota

probably doesn’t matter vs Zags, probably does change Minnesota

To be fair he didn’t play particularly well in either of those games. In the Gonzaga game specifically, it was only his third game against P5 competition. He only played 6 minutes against UNC and didn’t do much in the extensive minutes he got against State, so the leash was probably pretty short. You may be right against Minnesota

 

[*Knockout*Ned*]

I see that Connor has the highest AST% on the team.

This subtle massive understatement is art. Tremendous work.

 

[chuck285]

So what I'm seeing here is all you couch coaches think we need to fire Fran because he doesn't use Joe T. or Keegan enough? There are only so many min. per games and we have too many good players and we're only the 5th best team in the nation at this time. GOOD BYE FRAN

 

[hawktech]

Toussaint starts, assuming he keeps putting in the work, but Ulis will have the opportunity to play more minutes off the bench imo. I still think Joe will be a heckuva player for the Hawks and starting Ulis over him would be a really good way to get Toussaint to look elsewhere. As usual, the better player in a given game will log the majority of the minutes

Having 2 PGs (and a Point Forward) is a good thing to have! Both Ulis and Joe T will get their minutes. Sometimes at the same time. And whoever is having the better day, will get the minutes. Regardless of who is starting... Plus we'll still have CMac (#3 in A/T in the good ol USA) dishing them out next year.

The future looks bright for this program. Even after the NPOY graduates. We'll have one heck of a team!

 

[24 so far]

So what I'm seeing here is all you couch coaches think we need to fire Fran because he doesn't use Joe T. or Keegan enough? There are only so many min. per games and we have too many good players and we're only the 5th best team in the nation at this time. GOOD BYE FRAN

You might do well to have someone explain to you about what happens on a Sports forum.

Once that sinks in, the choice is yours to read or not, participate or not. Like it or not, agree or disagree, but Fans have had viewpoints and opinions since Sports were invented. They just don't have to chisel those opinions on rock tablets anymore. Good day.

 

[papabeef]

If the game were called like it was 40-50 years ago there would be 30 “carrying” calls a game.

dont agree . a lot of fans thought woolridge carried or palmed the ball all the time and he did not , he was rarely called for it but it looked " different " .

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

I think Joe T starts the season as the starter and we go from there. Getting minutes to Keegan is an intriguing question. I wonder if he'll be better suited to start next season in place of Conner as we won't need all those post entry passes to Garza. Still it's hard to keep a glue guy like Conner off the floor.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

dont agree . a lot of fans thought woolridge carried or palmed the ball all the time and he did not , he was rarely called for it but it looked " different " .

Andre was 25 years ago not 40-50 but thanks anyway.

 

[Rifler]

I see some truth in what @hawkeyeinmo says,.. Let's just say that if the game were called like it was 50 years ago the game would look a lot like it did 50 years ago...

 

[Ronman]

I'm not an analytics guy, but I wonder if JoeT's numbers have gotten worse since he got death threats after the Minnesota game. He just looks like he pressing to me.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

I see some truth in what @hawkeyeinmo says,.. Let's just say that if the game were called like it was 50 years ago the game would look a lot like it did 50 years ago...

And I’m certainly not saying that would be better to watch. The “euro step” would be called a travel every time. Yesterday the B1G network had a replay of the 1983 Illinois vs Iowa game. A huge difference on how the game was called I noticed was the defender would put his hand on the man he was guarding and they acted like they just touched a burner on a hot stove, immediately removing their hand and jumping back so not to be called for a foul. It was actually funny to watch. Was it better basketball? I don’t know.

 

[Rifler]

And I’m certainly not saying that would be better to watch. The “euro step” would be called a travel every time. Yesterday the B1G network had a replay of the 1983 Illinois vs Iowa game. A huge difference on how the game was called I noticed was the defender would put his hand on the man he was guarding and they acted like they just touched a burner on a hot stove, immediately removing their hand and jumping back so not to be called for a foul. It was actually funny to watch. Was it better basketball? I don’t know.

And not allowing "palming" of the ball as we now accept it would make it practically impossible to pull off a lot of the really impressive basketball moves that we all love to see...

 

[KcTo]

I see some truth in what @hawkeyeinmo says,.. Let's just say that if the game were called like it was 50 years ago the game would look a lot like it did 50 years ago...

Agree, but very few things look like it did 50 years

 

[longliveCS40]

It's definitely possible if Joe T can't limit his turnovers. I thought he was starting to improve in that department, and maybe he is, but it still is a problem for him.

Joe T's quickness definitely brings a lot to the table. He's can overmatch most defenders with that quickness and creates openings for teammates. He tends to dribble too much sometimes and the offense stagnates without passing.

If he can limit those turnovers and learn when to dribble more or when to pass around the perimeter, he will not be supplanted. If he doesn't improve on those things, it will come down to Ulis' game and whether he does those things well.

 

[Hawksfinal4]

Agree, but very few things look like it did 50 years

I sure don’t

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

I assume some of you Joe T non-believers are some of the same who told JBo to stop shooting. Nunge to stop shooting 3’s and last year didn’t want Garza taking 3’s. Sorry, you were wrong then and wrong now.

Only disagreement is Jack shooting 3s; that dog just will not hunt. Luka's annual 3pt average is 34.8; 29.2; 35.8 and this season a phenomenal 47.9%. He always had a good looking shot That's a sophomore slump for an otherwise big man with 3 point range.

Jack shot well for his size at exactly .3333 freshman year. After the red shirt season, in the 5 games of 19-20 season he was 3-14-for a 21.4 average; and this year 6-26, 23.1%. 9 of 40 is 22.5% over two, albeit one shortened, seasons. He doesn't "just miss", either. Many of his shots are hurried early in a possession and they're bad misses. He doesn't just miss long/short but right & left, another sign of a bad shooter.

Jack could be a more than decent offensive player if he would focus on the area of the court where he can score, low post offense. He has a little turn around, work on that; decent hook shot; work on that, just do not shoot without having at least one foot in the lane.

 

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Only disagreement is Jack shooting 3s; that dog just will not hunt. Luka's annual 3pt average is 34.8; 29.2; 35.8 and this season a phenomenal 47.9%. He always had a good looking shot That's a sophomore slump for an otherwise for a big man with 3 point range.

Jack shot well for his size at exactly .3333 freshman year. After the red shirt season, in the 5 games of 19-20 season he was 3-14-for a 21.4 average; and this year 6-26, 23.1%. 9 of 40 is 22.5% over two, albeit one shortened, seasons. He doesn't "just miss", either. Many of his shots are hurried early in a possession and they're bad misses. He doesn't just miss long/short but right & left, another sign of a bad shooter.

Jack could be a more than decent offensive player if he would focus on the area of the court where he can score, low post offense. He has a little turn around, work on that; decent hook shot; work on that, just do not shoot without having at least one foot in the lane.

A little OT, but speaking of "big men" and 3 pt. %, I was watching a H.S. game on YouTube between Spencer and Spirit Lake, and SL had a 6'7" kid shooting 48% from 3 on the year. Think he had 25 for the game and several 3's. Creighton Morisch (sp?) is his name I believe. They had 3 other guys that sounded like they were all near 40% from 3 (Spencer won by 3, and SL had a chance to tie late after Spencer missed 2 free throws with 4-5 seconds left.........hhhmmmmmm, so they were giving the stats of who to look out for taking that shot - they got a good shot, and airballed it).

Also, Ryan Kreiner's brother plays for Spirit Lake, had 9 for the game I think. The announcer said before the game he saw Ryan walking into the gym. I thought he was playing overseas somewhere?

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

A little OT, but speaking of "big men" and 3 pt. %, I was watching a H.S. game on YouTube between Spencer and Spirit Lake, and SL had a 6'7" kid shooting 48% from 3 on the year. Think he had 25 for the game and several 3's. Creighton Morisch (sp?) is his name I believe. They had 3 other guys that sounded like they were all near 40% from 3 (Spencer won by 3, and SL had a chance to tie late after Spencer missed 2 free throws with 4-5 seconds left.........hhhmmmmmm, so they were giving the stats of who to look out for taking that shot - they got a good shot, and airballed it).

Also, Ryan Kreiner's brother plays for Spirit Lake, had 9 for the game I think. The announcer said before the game he saw Ryan walking into the gym. I thought he was playing overseas somewhere?

Ryan's little brother, if I had the right kid, looks like a football player.