Does Iowa play chicken #$#$ football?

[HawktimusPrime]

I was talking to a colleague who is a big Bama fan. He grew up there and all and has always followed them. Since we've been friends he's followed the Hawkeyes a bit and when he was trolling my FB page with the loss to NDSU, we have a convo.

He basically said, that Iowa plays chicken @#@# football. We are too conservative on offense and defense, we don't schedule boldly and we never show swagger.

Is he right?

 

[David1979]

Easy for a Bama fan to say when the have probably 3 deep of elite athletes and 4 and 5 star kids on each side of the ball and can will most games on talent alone.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Easy for a Bama fan to say when the have probably 3 deep of elite athletes and 4 and 5 star kids on each side of the ball and can will most games on talent alone.

Did NDSU win on having those type of players against us? Or did they win because they played to win?

 

[L Lawliet]

 

[David1979]

Did NDSU win on having those type of players against us? Or did they win because they played to win?

? They didn't do anything different than they usually do. They played smash mouth football. Both teams played to win. Don't give me that crap

 

[HawktimusPrime]

? They didn't do anything different than they usually do. They played smash mouth football. Both teams played to win. Don't give me that crap

Watch the game again, they played for the win and took risks.

 

[David1979]

Watch the game again, they played for the win and took risks.

You should watch it again. What was so risky about what they did? Go for two when you are on the road and have nothing to lose? That isn't much of a risk. NDSU wasn't faking punts or FGs or running flea flickers or kicking onside kicks. Unless you think running the ball was risky.
And Iowa went for it on 4th down when there was no need to. Is that risky?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

You should watch it again. What was so risky about what they did? Go for two when you are on the road and have nothing to lose? That isn't much of a risk. NDSU wasn't faking punts or FGs or running flea flickers or kicking onside kicks. Unless you think running the ball was risky.
And Iowa went for it on 4th down when there was no need to. Is that risky?

Do you not have respect for the fact that Iowa got it's ass kicked for two reasons? One, Iowa played conservative, chicken #$#$ ball. Two, NDSU didn't.

 

[pocha444444]

Bama fan is right, but that is what has been successful for Iowa. Zone blocking scheme with conservative play calling on offense, as well as a conservative defense that tries to keep everything in front of them.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Bama fan is right, but that is what has been successful for Iowa. Zone blocking scheme with conservative play calling on offense, as well as a conservative defense that tries to keep everything in front of them.

I'd like us to incorporate a more Wiscy/Stanford style. Play smart, but play bold more often than not.

 

[navyrules]

I was talking to a colleague who is a big Bama fan. He grew up there and all and has always followed them. Since we've been friends he's followed the Hawkeyes a bit and when he was trolling my FB page with the loss to NDSU, we have a convo.

He basically said, that Iowa plays chicken @#@# football. We are too conservative on offense and defense, we don't schedule boldly and we never show swagger.

Is he right?

OP's 'colleague" confirmed....

 

[Kurt Warner]

Yes

 

[HawktimusPrime]

OP's 'colleague" confirmed....

Do you disagree with Colin these days? He's been right the whole time. He's absolutely owned the #$#4 out of Iowa these past couple seasons. I'd rather face the truth and see it changed, rather than stubbornly going along with the train that won't move onto the bold tracks.

 

[BioHawk]

I disagree with his statements on the style of football we (usually) play, but I actually agree with his statements on scheduling. That said, it's not like Alabama's nonconference schedule is something to be proud of this year. It's too bad it's nearly impossible to scatter these non-conference games throughout the season rather than having them all at the beginning of the year.

 

[navyrules]

Do you disagree with Colin these days? He's been right the whole time. He's absolutely owned the #$#4 out of Iowa these past couple seasons. I'd rather face the truth and see it changed, rather than stubbornly going along with the train that won't move onto the bold tracks.

Ummmm..... I just stated he must be your colleague, made no assertion about whether he is right or wrong. But carry on with the troll bait.

 

[markfromj]

Watch the game again, they played for the win and took risks.

So did Iowa.

 

[thewop]

He's sort of right. Iowa's style works well when they don't make many mistakes. LOTS of mistakes against NDSU, some forced, many not. When you make mistakes, and insist on staying the course with conservative play calling, it could be said that it's "Chicken Sh#$" football. I have a feeling a game between Alabama and Iowa would be very physical, not "chicken #$%%" by any stretch, however Alabama may win by 3+ touchdowns.

I agree that NDSU played to win, while Iowa played not to lose. You needn't look further than Iowa's last possession. That, would be the definition of "Chicken S&*^" football.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

I'd really like to know what this "swagger" word really means. I read/hear it all the time. The only connection I make is that teams that are winning have it and teams that are losing don't. But which is the cause and which is the effect? Does a coach ever talk about swagger during his locker room pep talk? Do teams/players who don't have swagger just not want to win as badly as those that do? To me, it's just a word that talking heads use to sound cool and make it look like they know why team A is winning and team B is not, when they have nothing tangible to use.

 

[iavagabond]

Do you not have respect for the fact that Iowa got it's ass kicked for two reasons? One, Iowa played conservative, chicken #$#$ ball. Two, NDSU didn't.

Iowa got beat in the trenches on O and D. THAT is why the game was lost.

Does KF's conservatism result in a failure to mitigate weaknesses (relative to the opponent) quite often? In my opinion, yes!

But the game vs. NDSU was lost on the line, period!

 

[DrVenkman]

I often hear the same comments from a couple of good friends who are life-long O$U fans. There really is no antagonism coming from them. They feel absolutely no threat from Iowa, absolutely make fun of the scheduling particularly as of late, and see Iowa as very conservative. That said, they also realize that their last coach, The Vest, was not too dissimilar in many ways to Ferentz but he had far far superior talent. Also, these guys like Iowa. they root for them. It is a form of respect (for the type of football) but it is more about that they never fear lining up against Iowa.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Iowa got beat in the trenches on O and D. THAT is why the game was lost.

Does KF's conservatism result in a failure to mitigate weaknesses (relative to the opponent) quite often? In my opinion, yes!

But the game vs. NDSU was lost on the line, period!

Doing things like running up the middle in the last offensive series that could have sealed the game doesn't help either. That's conservative play calling, that did NOTHING but to delay the inevitable. More aggression and going for the win/1st downs could have completely erased the need for this conversation.

 

[DrVenkman]

Doing things like running up the middle in the last offensive series that could have sealed the game doesn't help either. That's conservative play calling, that did NOTHING but to delay the inevitable. More aggression and going for the win/1st downs could have completely erased the need for this conversation.

yeah man, but that is just football..

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I often hear the same comments from a couple of good friends who are life-long O$U fans. There really is no antagonism coming from them. They feel absolutely no threat from Iowa, absolutely make fun of the scheduling particularly as of late, and see Iowa as very conservative. That said, they also realize that their last coach, The Vest, was not too dissimilar in many ways to Ferentz but he had far far superior talent. Also, these guys like Iowa. they root for them. It is a form of respect (for the type of football) but it is more about that they never fear lining up against Iowa.

Well our history with them tends to do that. Our best teams have always been thwarted by them. F them.

 

[DrVenkman]

Well our history with them tends to do that. Our best teams have always been thwarted by them. F them.

Exactly. The longer one has been an Iowa fan the more painful it is.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Doing things like running up the middle in the last offensive series that could have sealed the game doesn't help either. That's conservative play calling, that did NOTHING but to delay the inevitable. More aggression and going for the win/1st downs could have completely erased the need for this conversation.

I don't mind the running up the middle, but my god have some imagination in the formations you do it from. How do people think NDSU did so well on the ground, it wasn't because their kids were bigger, stronger, faster. They had Iowa off balance with formations, motions, etc.....Having imagination offensively doesn't mean flea flickers, reverses, etc..... You can run 4 plays, but if you're doing it from different looks, you will have success.

 

[MWardT]

I'd really like to know what this "swagger" word really means. I read/hear it all the time. The only connection I make is that teams that are winning have it and teams that are losing don't. But which is the cause and which is the effect? Does a coach ever talk about swagger during his locker room pep talk? Do teams/players who don't have swagger just not want to win as badly as those that do? To me, it's just a word that talking heads use to sound cool and make it look like they know why team A is winning and team B is not, when they have nothing tangible to use.

I think it just means we are too white

 

[ichawk24]

Your colleague is a chicken shit internet tough guy. Just like yourself.

 

[HawkGem10]

Your colleague is a chicken shit internet tough guy. Just like yourself.

No reason to attack the poster as he is pretty much 100% captain conservative plays not to lose alot.

 

[SwampHawk]

Do you disagree with Colin these days? He's been right the whole time. He's absolutely owned the #$#4 out of Iowa these past couple seasons. I'd rather face the truth and see it changed, rather than stubbornly going along with the train that won't move onto the bold tracks.

What would your opinion have been after the regular season last year?

Sounds like the answer my friend, is blowing in the wind.

 

[GoHawks2009]

I was talking to a colleague who is a big Bama fan. He grew up there and all and has always followed them. Since we've been friends he's followed the Hawkeyes a bit and when he was trolling my FB page with the loss to NDSU, we have a convo.

He basically said, that Iowa plays chicken @#@# football. We are too conservative on offense and defense, we don't schedule boldly and we never show swagger.

Is he right?

So lets back up and think about this for a second........................


The answer is still no.

 

[GoHawks2009]

I was talking to a colleague who is a big Bama fan. He grew up there and all and has always followed them. Since we've been friends he's followed the Hawkeyes a bit and when he was trolling my FB page with the loss to NDSU, we have a convo.

He basically said, that Iowa plays chicken @#@# football. We are too conservative on offense and defense, we don't schedule boldly and we never show swagger.

Is he right?

Ha ha well I guess I should've read through the rest of this thread before I commented.

You just trollin'.

Otherwise, you posted a question to this board where you've already predetermined what the answer is and anyone who suggests otherwise is wrong...and you've argued this already in this thread.

So either that....or you're trolling. Take your pick and go home.

 

[latenighter84]

Yes they are too conservative at times and unfortunately too many of them are at crucial times where it means an L.
The style and schedule are not a big deal in my mind it's more of being aware of the immediate on field situation and taking a course of action that's gives you the best chance of success.
KF does not do this.
That does not mean he doesn't play to win. I firmly believe that is his intent every time but pulling out the 1973 book of how to win without risk has to go. The damn circumstances are directly in front of you , use the facts and make a choice based on that current info not ancient %s.
Honestly based on NDSU'S first two games I would have let CJ pass Iowa to a 28pts halftime lead and coast from there. They are weak in the secondary, very obvious.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I don't mind the running up the middle, but my god have some imagination in the formations you do it from. How do people think NDSU did so well on the ground, it wasn't because their kids were bigger, stronger, faster. They had Iowa off balance with formations, motions, etc.....Having imagination offensively doesn't mean flea flickers, reverses, etc..... You can run 4 plays, but if you're doing it from different looks, you will have success.

Yes the lack of motions is another big critique from me. It seems as if more have been put into the playbook, but in todays world you need more.

 

[pacnorthhawkeye]

Do you not have respect for the fact that Iowa got it's ass kicked for two reasons? One, Iowa played conservative, chicken #$#$ ball. Two, NDSU didn't.

So are you asking us or telling us? That's a neat story you told to convey your own agenda

 

[HawktimusPrime]

So are you asking us or telling us? That's a neat story you told to convey your own agenda

Live into reality, a better coached team(on that particular day mind you), would have won that game. Despite the problems in the trenches.

 

[navyrules]

I don't mind the running up the middle, but my god have some imagination in the formations you do it from. How do people think NDSU did so well on the ground, it wasn't because their kids were bigger, stronger, faster. They had Iowa off balance with formations, motions, etc.....Having imagination offensively doesn't mean flea flickers, reverses, etc..... You can run 4 plays, but if you're doing it from different looks, you will have success.

This post is very very true.

I hated our last series as much as the next guy, would have much rather seen a toss, counter, or something out of a different formation.
That said, pretty much every top ranked team in the NCAA would have tried to run the ball and kill the clock in the situation Iowa was in. I wonder the reaction if we come out throwing on 1st down and it gets picked, and NDSU drives down for the GW FG.

 

[pacnorthhawkeye]

Live into reality, a better coached team(on that particular day mind you), would have won that game. Despite the problems in the trenches.

I didn't say anything about it....was only commenting on whether or not you actually have a friend that's a Bama fan or if this was just your way of presenting(trolling) your own position....and if that's the case then it's as much of a chickens#%* post as is it is chickens#%^ football....that's all.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I didn't say anything about it....was only commenting on whether or not you actually have a friend that's a Bama fan or if this was just your way of presenting(trolling) your own position....and if that's the case then it's as much of a chickens#%* post as is it is chickens#%^ football....that's all.

Oh yes, I do. He's a huge tide fan. He literally cried during one of their losses when we worked together.

 

[pacnorthhawkeye]

Oh yes, I do. He's a huge tide fan. He literally cried during one of their losses when we worked together.

Lol...musta been that auburn game a few years back eh?

 

[navyrules]

Oh yes, I do. He's a huge tide fan. He literally cried during one of their losses when we worked together.

OP's colleague confirmed....