Worse than that. I think we become cough...cough... Nebraska.
Does Jamie Pollard have a point?
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I think we can all agree, Nebraska should be the first to go. Then Maryland. Then it gets a little tougher.
Part of the problem for Oregon State and Washington State is their location on the West Coast for tv viewing.
Iowa/Wisconsin don't have that issue.
Apples to Oranges.
Pollard realizes the Big12 lost their only two marquee programs and he's bitter.
I get that football is the money maker, but let's not forget there are other sports as well. Our wonem's basketball set record numbers of viewers did it not?? In 2021 the B10 announced record wrestling viewership. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...wkeye-wrestling-2021-shane-sparks/4634656001/ I would say little ole Iowa is doing it's part being competitive in multiple sports and bringing in viewership.
You’re 100% correct, but the Iowa fanboys here are gonna have your ass
ISU jokes aside, there may be some validity here. It'll just come down to what is the most money-producing way they can twist and turn out of college football. Every decade there is something they change for most profit, and weaken the collegiate sport to boot. Profits will always be looked at short term. We don't live year-by-year, but quarter-to-quarter. Seems like a fallacy now, but would we be surprised if the SEC, seeing money signs, get too big for their britches?
Indeed. They didn't even draw interest from the "big" 12. What more need be said?
As for Jamie...he has one clear pathway to remedy this. Billboards.
You actually think if a proposed "Super Conference" left Iowa and/or Wisconsin off, anyone would be surprised? Iowa, Wisconsin, et. al., become more expendable with the addition of each larger-market/larger-profile program to the B1G.
Zero comparison.
If Bama and Texas asked to join the B1G with the condition that Iowa and Wisconsin were dropped, the only question would be, "Next season, or do you mean immediately?"
Iowa and Wisconsin wouldn’t be in a super conference probably but why would they do a league of 16 teams. I would think the fans of the most powerful schools would also hate that. I wouldn’t want Iowa in such a league as it would be a lot of losses.
Iowa sits fine in the current Big Ten. I’d think it splits like this:
Powerhouses: OSU, Mich, PSU, USC, Oregon
Has enough fans, etc. that earns rev share: Iowa, Wisc, Neb, Wash, MSU
Good at bball: Purdue, IN, Illini, UCLA
Rest: MD, Rutgers, NW, MN
Even the bottom 4 have had some success, fans, etc.
LOL. But Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue and NW all get to stay? LOL.
You said to look at WA St and OR St, and I maintain that Iowa ain’t WA St or OR St.
Schools with football programs that draw 70-80k fans to home games ain’t getting kicked out of any conference, even the B1G. Stop buying into the fear mongering.
Yes he does but if he wears a hat it isn't so noticeable.
Yeah because it is not like we just had the women;s basketball go to the ship 2 years straight. It is not like we are not always in the hunt for a championship in wrestling. Or not because we keep turning out NFL talent in football. Not because we are fairly decent at baseball or because we are pioneering women's wrestling. Like I said, across several sports Iowa is doing well and in that light, they are doing better then most. Pisses me off Nebraska is so good at volleyball, and we can't seem to beat PSU in wrestling, but you win some, you lose some I guess.
is he mad when the Big12 gets more teams into the NCAA tournament than the MVC? that means they get a bigger share of the payout. Is he mad that UNI suffers because of it?
of course he's not. ****ing hypocrite
of course he's not. ****ing hypocrite
I've never understood why people don't get this. Its the same thing in the B1G. These super teams want to go 12-1 or 13-0, and to do that they need decent teams who actually carry some cache, who they will beat on a regular basis. Iowa is the perfect example of a team that the OSU, of the world would want on their schedule. If they were to only play he top 5 or so teams and play them twice then they're way more likely to absorb some losses...
Most of you guys will take this the wrong way but you have no problem with anything when you’re on the top but huge problems when you’re not.
Take NIL for example. Iowa fans have loved talking about Big 10 TV revenue and the advantages that come with it.
NIL comes along, and all of a sudden Iowa isn’t a big dog, and it’s the worst possible thing and it’s destroying college athletics, not capitalism at work.
In a couple years when there is revenue sharing with players and those Big 10 TV dollars put Iowa back in the upper eschelon again I imagine this board will once again be all about free markets.
Most of you guys will take this the wrong way but you have no problem with anything when you’re on the top but huge problems when you’re not.
Take NIL for example. Iowa fans have loved talking about Big 10 TV revenue and the advantages that come with it.
NIL comes along, and all of a sudden Iowa isn’t a big dog, and it’s the worst possible thing and it’s destroying college athletics, not capitalism at work.
In a couple years when there is revenue sharing with players and those Big 10 TV dollars put Iowa back in the upper eschelon again I imagine this board will once again be all about free markets.
Take NIL for example. Iowa fans have loved talking about Big 10 TV revenue and the advantages that come with it.
NIL comes along, and all of a sudden Iowa isn’t a big dog, and it’s the worst possible thing and it’s destroying college athletics, not capitalism at work.
In a couple years when there is revenue sharing with players and those Big 10 TV dollars put Iowa back in the upper eschelon again I imagine this board will once again be all about free markets.
Most of you guys will take this the wrong way but you have no problem with anything when you’re on the top but huge problems when you’re not.
Take NIL for example. Iowa fans have loved talking about Big 10 TV revenue and the advantages that come with it.
NIL comes along, and all of a sudden Iowa isn’t a big dog, and it’s the worst possible thing and it’s destroying college athletics, not capitalism at work.
In a couple years when there is revenue sharing with players and those Big 10 TV dollars put Iowa back in the upper eschelon again I imagine this board will once again be all about free markets.
Well of course he is, who complains about being on top?? That does not even make sense. But what he is saying can be applied to everything in life. I am old enough to have realized that there are only a handful of people in this world who truly want you to do better then them. Your parents, good coaches and the rare person who is neither of those. Otherwise everyone wants you to do well........... but just not better then them. Which really leads into a whole philosophy class discussion on how that affects the human race as a whole, but I digress. If ISU was smart and could have done something, they should have done it years ago when Nebraska came to the B10. If ISU had amounted to anything in a top 3 popular sport and did so consistently, they would have been more attractive in today's landscape of college athletics.
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And you or your fans would be different should the roles be reversed? Iowa and ISU are rivals, so sure theres going to be the back and forth. Then there's the whole thing about Iowa being the smallest state by population in the country with TWO D1 programs (not from the same conference) vying for those fan dollars. Then theres the AD of one school putting up billboards of how THEY are the big dog in the state when is clearly obvious that thats total BS, and everyone with a brain knows that.
If your implying that ISU should have joined the B1G that would NEVER have happened, no matter how much groveling they did....
So, the big boys decide to form a super conference with 16 teams. Who get's in?
$OSU
Mich
PSU
Clemson
Bama
Texas
LSU
GA
OK
USC
Washington
Oregon
Notre Dame
That's 13. Who else is gonna get in?
That's 6 teams from the B1G, and what's left doesn't look to good.
$OSU
Mich
PSU
Clemson
Bama
Texas
LSU
GA
OK
USC
Washington
Oregon
Notre Dame
That's 13. Who else is gonna get in?
That's 6 teams from the B1G, and what's left doesn't look to good.
I think the gist of his message was that people tend to see good and bad or positives and negatives of certain situations in terms of how it affects them, irrespective of how it impacts others. He was directing it at Iowa fans in terms of how they perceive conference realignment and NIL, but it could apply to any group of people being impacted by forces outside of their control.
LOL at anyone analyzing or listening to anything that Pollard has to say. He makes excuses for everything and has a cheap fanbase. The majority of his opinions are based on Iowa being in a top conference and Iowa State is not. He doesn't really have much class as an AD and likes to think people want to hear what he says.
We can't have a wresting facility because the money is going to the SEC and Big 10!
It's nearly impossible to draw a line in the sand for a top 16. Teams move up and down frequently. According to one article Colorado and Tennessee both drew more viewers last season than 3/4 of that list. Just a few years ago, Oregon had more internet searches in the state of Washington than UW and Nebraska had more in Colorado pre-Deion.
https://frontofficesports.com/at-least-theres-no-debating-college-footballs-most-watched-team/
Another piece with a little different list said the top 18 account for 50% of viewers.
1: Alabama 7.12 (11)
2: Ohio State 6.05 (11)
3: Colorado 6.00 (9)
4: Georgia 5.90 (11)
5: Michigan 5.61 (12)
6: Tennessee 4.57 (7)
7: Oregon 4.43 (10)
8: texas 4.26 (12)
9: Florida State 4.16 (12)
10: Notre Dame 4.15 (10)
11: Washington 4.14 (10)
12: LSU 3.79 (9)
13: USC 3.77 (9)
14: Penn State 3.66 (11)
15: Auburn 3.55 (7)
16: Missouri 3.25 (6)
17: Florida 3.17 (8)
18: Ole Miss 2.93 (7)
19: Clemson 2.90 (7)
20: Texas A&M 2.74 (9)
21: Iowa 2.68 (11)
22: Miami 2.65(6)
23: Duke 2.639 (6)
24: Nebraska 2.637 (11)
25: Utah 2.616 (7)
26: Oklahoma 2.6153 (11)
27: Navy 2.6152 (5)
28: Oregon State 2.44 (8)
29: Louisville 2.37 (10)
30: Washington State 2.15 (6)
31: Kentucky 2.07 (6)
32: Mississippi State 2.01 (5)
In the end, even the big boys need someone to play against. Just tossing away teams 16-40 (or something similar) would kill the brand.
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No, I was just saying that however things shake out and how things have shaken out so far, it is obvious that facilities and competitiveness in the major sports are what makes a school attractive for other schools to want to be in a conference with. In other words, they should have seen the writing on the wall 10 years ago and started trying to make themselves as attractive of conference partner as possible. Same with Kansas, Arizona, Utah, Oregon State and all those others such as that.
Right, I get that. Believe me from a personal standpoint I understand what he is saying. But he also has to understand some of what is happening is his own fault. I mean for years Texas ran the B12, well who entered and stayed in that shitty contract? You know why Kansas is any more attractive as a conference member then ISU? Because Kansas is good at basketball. Consistently good. There are a whole bunch of schools in the same boat as ISU, that when you look at the top 3 or 4 sports that bring in money, they just are not consistently breaking into the top 25 or 30. I mean look a Vilanova, I can not tell you 1 thing about them, except everyone knows who they are because they pretty good at basketball. What I am saying is, you should probably be something. If you are good looking, great. If not maybe you should have some money. If neither of those, maybe have some useful skills. That's life.
lol @MikeyHawk thinking he has a better grasp of the college landscape than a twenty year veteran AD.
A couple of thoughts -
1. I am opposed to a super conference. I hope we never get there. I've been opposed to most of the conference realignment.
2. "Kill the brand"? I think they are already ruining the sport by chasing the money. What's to stop them from going after even more $?
3. I really don't know how they would pick a super conference if, God forbid, they try to form one.
Need to throw Nebraska in there. Those other teams have been to a bowl game more recently than Nebraska.
A rube that knows better than a professional performing at the top of their field… I know your politics without even looking.
I would not worry much about a "super conference". I think if anything it will be more like the NFL with AFC and NFC. Which is about where we are with a power 2 situation. Like I said, that might leave a bunch of schools out and they will have to form their own conference and yeah it will not be as popular and will not be a major draw and thus not make as much money. In some ways, chasing the money is hurting the sport, but in other ways it is advancing it. If he wants, maybe the way he should be looking at it is, ISU was never really playing in prime time slots on their own merit anyway. They only ever got those time slots if they were playing someone of more relevance. So in a power 2 and then the rest situation, it will be the same thing, The power 2 will get more prime time slots and the others will get the early games weird channels and such. So really no different. It is the same reason we have non conference games and some are a way bigger draw then others. Which is why I say you should be something, because some schools are good at say basketball and during basketball season will always draw eyes. But you can not be pretty much average in every way and expect above average money. Not all schools can be competitive in all the major sports and when they try, they are average in all of them. Is that due to money? Maybe but for the last 50 years, they have had pretty much the same opportunity to get good at something. I mean it kind of comes down to investing because a lot has happened in 50 years and maybe not everyone started from the same point, but it was a much closer starting point then now. At some point they had to realize they were falling behind during that 50 years and what did they do about it? Who's fault is that? My philosophy is idc what you are going to do, just be the best at it. Like I mentioned before, it pisses me off that Nebraska is so good at volleyball, but hey, if volleyball is your thing, then be the best. As Captain Jack says....... but you have heard of me. Again the market is the driving force behind money.
If he was at the top of his field he wouldn’t be at ISU.
Yeah real smart to cut your viewing audience in half. I already watch the SEC and the Other 2 league games about never.
If Iowa didn't make the league I would never pay to stream it just like I don't pay youtube $1200 to stream the NFL.
If Iowa didn't make the league I would never pay to stream it just like I don't pay youtube $1200 to stream the NFL.
Truth hurts, pal.
But Pollard knows his audience, and they need soothing comments as the Big12 slips further into the abyss.
Pollard definitely knows his audience. He plays to them well and often.
Well in a perfect world, smaller conferences actually ARE the way to go.........
