Went to it at UNI and it was a great event. Cael said it was "failing" because he didn't like it. That's it. If Iowa State wouldn't have released say Cyler or DT or Matt Brown, I guarantee you Cael would not want to make that school any money. Plain and simple. So please remove his n*ts from your mouth.
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Went to it at UNI and it was a great event. Cael said it was "failing" because he didn't like it. That's it. If Iowa State wouldn't have released say Cyler or DT or Matt Brown, I guarantee you Cael would not want to make that school any money. Plain and simple. So please remove his n*ts from your mouth.
And this one is?? I didn't even really like the old format, but I sure do miss it now. This whole thing is clown show... Roll out the barrels!
That's bull. I went when it was in Ann Arbor, 3-4 times in Lincoln, In Columbus, in Happy Valley (State College), in Iowa City, and every year it was in Cedar Falls (which was the best set-up BTW) and there were fans there every year. It wasn't the joke it is now.
"It was a great event." How sweet. How was attendance? Was it growing? Was there any indication that it would "grow the sport," as the NWCA has as their mission? If it wasn't growing the sport, why not try something new? How many people were traveling from across the country to get there, besides wrestlers and their parents?
I think the fact you discovered wrestling 6 or 7 years ago is about to be exposed.
I don't think Cael liked it because there was too much wrestling with the post season so close. I agree with him. However, as a fan, you cannot say that this version is better than that when you got a crapload more matches in the national duals. We often saw Iowa wrestle three more times in one weekend. Coaches may not like it, but fans did.
Like it or not, Cael is the big dawg among coaches now. He did not like the old format for his own reasons and often "ducked" it shall we say? Of course, when he was ducking, there was a vast amount of rationalization by PSU fans as to why his reasoning was legit. It didn't matter, only the tourney etc. Just like you are seeing here today. Cael had his reasons...so does Tom. From their POV, I agreed with both. As a fan, I wouldn't mind seeing three duals in a day.
The good thing is that if PSU didn't duck, Jammenz might not have some cool ass Minnesota national championship t-shirts.
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I don't know if Tom Brands refused to wrestle VT, but IF he did, then to equate Cael choosing not to participate in the old version of the national duals to Brands refusing to wrestle against a specific opponent on the day the matchups are set to be announced is incredibly disingenuous. The equivalent would have been if Brands had said at the outset that he didn't wish to participate in this incarnation of the national duals because he did not think it was in the best interest of the program (for whatever reason). That way, the event is never even on Iowa's schedule. That is what Cael did and that would be totally fine.
Since I am sure the subtlety of what I am trying to say will be lost on some, let me restate: I don't know what happened with the NWCA pairings this season and what involvement Tom Brands had in that. And if he did refuse to wrestle VT, I'm not saying he was right or wrong. All I'm saying is that if the speculation is true, then comparing refusing to participate in the agreed upon format one week before the event is definitely not the same thing as never putting it on your schedule in the first place.
Since I am sure the subtlety of what I am trying to say will be lost on some, let me restate: I don't know what happened with the NWCA pairings this season and what involvement Tom Brands had in that. And if he did refuse to wrestle VT, I'm not saying he was right or wrong. All I'm saying is that if the speculation is true, then comparing refusing to participate in the agreed upon format one week before the event is definitely not the same thing as never putting it on your schedule in the first place.
Because it's been a thing for two years and your boy has thrown a hissy two years in a row? It should be given a chance, and yes, attendance, overall, was pretty good. I sat in a packed house in State College last year (6500). You guys had 6,000 (on a Monday night) last year. Did Natty Duals at UNI have 12,500 distinct fans on any given weekend? And, that doesn't include the other six duals.
Maybe with PSU fans there, it could have
We are entering a circular firing squad nowExpose me. Show me the numbers. Mine are just above this, and I'll add one to it. NIU Convocation Center holds 10,000 people. Was it maxed out during Duals 2007-2011, after you account for 1400 wrestlers?
Which arena where the Duals has been held holds 12,500 + the number that were at the other six duals? FYI, Lehigh v. Rutgers was 1,900.Maybe with PSU fans there, it could have
::sigh:: Nobody gives a shit about Lehigh vs Rutgers. BTW, if this and last year's format was so good #growthesport, why is it that PSU and Iowa didn't wrestle for the true title? We beat Okie State but they still wrestled for the "National Title." #growthesport
It's an extra match. That's all it is.
Well, 1900 people, most of whom wouldn't have traveled to National Duals to see them, gave a shit. Which is a pretty shitty attitude to have, if you want to get more people involved in the sport. I'm a little surprised to hear you say it, except to divert attention away from my question.
In answer to your question, it's because that's not how the bowls series was set up. Or do you mean separate from the bowl series? It gives exposure to teams that normally wouldn't get that exposure, because B1G is BMOC. And, there is no national title about it. There is only one national title.
Oh, well, I'm done with this. Same thing every year, and it will continue to be, because NCAA isn't going to give wrestling another national title and the coaches that can't win national titles continue to push the NWCA to give bonus points to teams that wrestle in ND, which is asinine.
BWI has some ruffled feathers today. Entertaining to say the least.
I can't, for the life of me, comprehend how the team that is clearly top dog right now still has so much penis envy when it comes to the Hawkeyes.
I can't, for the life of me, comprehend how the team that is clearly top dog right now still has so much penis envy when it comes to the Hawkeyes.
It's either the funniest or saddest part of all this... Not sure which.
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Some of the PSU fans get upset when you simply point out Cael has been getting far more top ten recruits than anyone else. Look at Flying Tiger - he throws a hissy fit (he once called it an "albatross" PSU fans have to bear and admitted it makes him mad). He equates that to "Iowa fans say Cael can't develop wrestlers, Cael can't coach"...yada yada.
Don't know if it's penis envy or some other psychosis, but PSU seems to have more than their share of d-bag fans.
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For he record, I think Cael has shown to be a great coach. I love the mentality his wrestlers generally bring.
PSU fans are going to be PSU fans, though. Maybe some of them will have their attention diverted to defending JoePa's legacy again with the news of a 2nd generation Sandusky scandal breaking.
Move to a State where they have Google.
The attendance figures have risen in each of the four seasons the event has taken place in the Dome. It drew 13,380 in 2006, 15,190 in 2007, 15,818 last year and 15,867 last weekend.
I just read a thread on their site with several posters defending Sandusky's son. Saying it is being blown out of proportion.
Its a mystery for sure. They have almost as many Iowa threads over there as psu threads. And almost every thread turns in to an iowa hate thread.
Bwi used to be one of the best wrestling sites out there but the paranoid and jealous have taken over. I still check in to read some of the good posters thoughts but i never post over there, you want dumpter fire, youd think they were the worst team out there.
Sad because the on the mat wrestling product for psu is something special, some of them just dont get it.
For starters, Northern Iowa is UNI, not NIU (Northern Illinois) The UNI-Dome holds over 17,000 people even with 18 mats on the floor. Sure, you can get a fair amount of people in 6 or more venues around the country over 2-3 days, but you're also paying the light bill, venue use fee and staff for 6 or 7 venues instead of one. Also attendance would have been higher in CF if teams such as Oklahoma State, PSU and Illinois hadn't boycotted several times each costing their fans and fan interest from other teams. This format might draw some bodies, but it doesn't make more money, expose fans to as many other programs, or prove anything. This year might crown a true dual champion, but most years this format will exclude the #2 team.
I guess this thread has given me a couple good candidates for the ignore button though. Why don't you idiots go trash us on your own board? I've never visited BWI or Cyclone Report, but I'm not an insecure, paranoid ****.
Move to a state where they have math. So, between 2006 and 2017, attendance rose by an average of 226 people per year. Whoo boy. They better find a bigger venue. This doesn't even take into account that it is a two day event. How many of those 15,867 were unique ticket holders?
By my count, the three bowl duals that I've already added up totaled 14,450. And those are unique ticket holders.
I stand corrected, if they're at 15,500 now, and the place holds 17K, at a growth rate of 226, they have six years before they have to find a new location.
On a board where in one day I've seen Virginia Tech referred to as "Vag Tech" and been informed that no one gives a shit about Lehigh/Rutgers, your comment rings hollow. I certainly didn't disparage anyone except perhaps Iowa fans in this forum, but, then again, there is some ludicrous stuff posted here. And maybe I responded to personal attacks a little testily, but here's a hint. Don't make personal attacks if you don't want a little back.
I"m guessing deathbed forgiveness.........
Last words out of Tom's mouth.."oh....... all right damnit............I forigve them...........kinda......"
And then Terry.............
Actually, Cael destroyed the National Duals because he knew he couldn't win it. Going into this season his dual record vs Iowa, Minny, and Okie State was a combined 4-10-1.
"Objection, your honor. Irrelevant."
"Sustained. Counsel, please refrain from mentioning Joe Pa or Sandusky on wrestling message boards."
"Your honor, I was just drawing a comparison between--"
"--I know what you were trying to do. Sustained." (Sound of gavel.)
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And long before you saw ever saw "Vag Tech," you might have seen an Iowa fan, VakAttack called "VagAttack" on themat forums. Why and by whom? The why is, despite being diplomatic and civil in his posts, he was/is an Iowa fan. By whom? Some of the lowest of the low life PSU fans/Iowa haters over there.
Take a look in the mirror, matter7172.
I've not used "ignore" on this board yet, but the influx of crud polluting this board makes it tempting to start.
What stinks is that you can't watch all the matches thru one online outlet. Flo carries some, Track Wrestling carries others, and ACC (ESPN3) will carry the Va Tech and NC St matches. Just ridiculous..
http://www.nwcaonline.com/news-even...=hootsuite#our-hosts-broadcasting-information
http://www.nwcaonline.com/news-even...=hootsuite#our-hosts-broadcasting-information
Yeah... Really "growing the sport" eh? The more I think about this the more ridiculous it becomes.
I"m guessing deathbed forgiveness.........
Last words out of Tom's mouth.."oh....... all right damnit............I forigve them...........kinda......"
And then Terry.............
Now not only funny but...............Congrats Kwoodhawk imo this should be the best post of the week......(not sharp enough for all the emotions sorry)..
Translation for you: Tom is gonna forgive them on his deathbed and Terry slaps him and says"snap out of it". Meaning don't forgive them after all. got it?
Lord this is insane.
The bowl series is not working.
Many coaches don't want it because of timing and who they have to wrestle.
It sucks. Change it or scrap it. Put it earlier.
Duals have meaning without it. Even if that meaning is getting better and my school can yours. It is fun. New fans come out for finals or duals. That's it. They are not going to sit through a two day grind to learn the sport. Duals showcase the sport, team and school. They don't need to have any more meaning than competition.
The bowl series is not working.
Many coaches don't want it because of timing and who they have to wrestle.
It sucks. Change it or scrap it. Put it earlier.
Duals have meaning without it. Even if that meaning is getting better and my school can yours. It is fun. New fans come out for finals or duals. That's it. They are not going to sit through a two day grind to learn the sport. Duals showcase the sport, team and school. They don't need to have any more meaning than competition.
