Dubuque private school raises tuition by 58% after voucher expansion

[Old_wrestling_fan]

What’s happened to the population of the area in that time.

Status quo. The main driver for the initial increase in the 2018'ish time frame was a revitalization of the teaching staff combined with a change (improvement) in the curriculum. Then, a couple years later, post COVID, etc, there was another ramp up and the only reason that it wasn't larger is that they then ran into physical space constraints.

By this time, they were turning many students away every year, Then a couple years later came the tuition subsidy...but by this point they were already very near, or at, max capacity.

Certainly there are many parents that are happy to be receiving the subsidy, but essentially none of them made the switch because of it...they had already made the switch 1 ot 3+ years earlier for other reasons.

 

[bojihawk44]

If for no other reason…religion privides a solid foundation for how to live your lives with: humility, self-control, respect for others, etc. You know…traits that kids would benefit from. 😉

And all of those traits are easily learned without believing a guy that died 2000 years ago was somehow the savior of the world and that his dad lives in the sky.

 

[RileyHawk]

If it’s billed as a “Muslim” school, I would have no issues with it.

You're a disingenuous, at best.

 

[RileyHawk]

Status quo. The main driver for the initial increase in the 2018'ish time frame was a revitalization of the teaching staff combined with a change (improvement) in the curriculum. Then, a couple years later, post COVID, etc, there was another ramp up and the only reason that it wasn't larger is that they then ran into physical space constraints.

By this time, they were turning many students away every year, Then a couple years later came the tuition subsidy...but by this point they were already very near, or at, max capacity.

Certainly there are many parents that are happy to be receiving the subsidy, but essentially none of them made the switch because of it...they had already made the switch 1 ot 3+ years earlier for other reasons.

What school?

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Not from schools funded by the public.

Are you good with a little more Islam in their lives as well?

Islam is not a religion it is a murderous cult

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Those don’t necessarily mean anything about which school is better or worse. And again, I don’t have a problem with people choosing private schools in general. What I object to is 1) private schools getting to take that voucher money and not have any strings attached or oversight at all, and 2) Iowa republicans have yet to propose fixes to the supposedly failing public schools; for whom the overwhelming majority of Iowa families have no choice but to send their kids to.

Most counties in Iowa don’t have private schools, and the ones that do have strict limits on total enrollment due to capacity at the school.

Feel free to actually refute a point.

1. The strings attached would be the parents could pull the child if they felt the private school was as inadequate at providing education as the failing public schools were.

2. The Republicans have actually proposed a fix by putting Students First Educational Savings Accounts in place. The challenge has been made for the Public Schools to fix their problems or face more declining enrollment. You see the schools did this to themselves. You Democrats think the answer to every problem is to throw more money at it which is the wrong answer. You fix problems by placing people on notice and giving them ultimatums. Not every problem can be solved by writing more checks.

 

[Bearhawk0505]

What’s happened to the population of the area in that time.

Bingo

 

[RicoSuave102954]

And all of those traits are easily learned without believing a guy that died 2000 years ago was somehow the savior of the world and that his dad lives in the sky.

I suspect you and Sober Teach will eventually off yourselves in the garage, you both have completely come unhinged on the subject of the Students First Educational Savings Account.

For the record Iowa does not have vouchers, use the right terminology or don't comment at all.

 

[sober_teacher]

LOL - Why would staff salaries and certs be the States business. Sped students don't belong in high academic schools.

Call me crazy, but I'd like to know that the math teacher actually knows stuff about...math.

If for no other reason…religion privides a solid foundation for how to live your lives with: humility, self-control, respect for others, etc. You know…traits that kids would benefit from. 😉

In a private school, that's fine. In a public school - unless it's some sort of general religion class, it would be inappropriate in a setting that's supposed to be nondenominational.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

If for no other reason…religion privides a solid foundation for how to live your lives with: humility, self-control, respect for others, etc. You know…traits that kids would benefit from. 😉

you don't need god for that.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Status quo. The main driver for the initial increase in the 2018'ish time frame was a revitalization of the teaching staff combined with a change (improvement) in the curriculum. Then, a couple years later, post COVID, etc, there was another ramp up and the only reason that it wasn't larger is that they then ran into physical space constraints.

By this time, they were turning many students away every year, Then a couple years later came the tuition subsidy...but by this point they were already very near, or at, max capacity.

Certainly there are many parents that are happy to be receiving the subsidy, but essentially none of them made the switch because of it...they had already made the switch 1 ot 3+ years earlier for other reasons.

Did you just say curriculum improvement? LOL
The main driver was winning in sports. It had nothing to do with curriculum. Iowa city west is a far better academic school than regina. So if your rationale for going to a private school is academics.... lol....lol...
People send their kids to regina to avoid a "big school" and riff/raff.... yes there's an occasional super christian that is looking for religion in their education but they are the exception, not the rule.

 

[tumorboy]

Since these private schools offer a superior education and now take public money. They should have to start educating more students. It’s for the public good. Otherwise we are only setting up more divisions among the have and have not.

 

[sober_teacher]

Since these private schools offer a superior education and now take public money. They should have to start educating more students. It’s for the public good. Otherwise we are only setting up more divisions among the have and have not.

If nothing else, I dislike that this voucher program from the state required private schools to accept any and all applicants in order of application. That they can still turn away any kid they want imo is wrong if they’re going to accept public funds.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

Did you just say curriculum improvement? LOL
The main driver was winning in sports. It had nothing to do with curriculum. Iowa city west is a far better academic school than regina. So if your rationale for going to a private school is academics.... lol....lol...
People send their kids to regina to avoid a "big school" and riff/raff.... yes there's an occasional super christian that is looking for religion in their education but they are the exception, not the rule.

Ummm...where did I say anything about Regina? You are wrong.

 

[Rifler]

Since these private schools offer a superior education and now take public money. They should have to start educating more students. It’s for the public good. Otherwise we are only setting up more divisions among the have and have not.

The superior education offered by a private school is directly related to its ability to screen applicants,.. Societal divisions aren't going away...

 

[gohawks50]

The superior education offered by a private school is directly related to its ability to screen applicants,.. Societal divisions aren't going away...

Which is exactly why it shouldn't be sold to voters as school choice, it's really the school's choice.

 

[Pinehawk]

Which is exactly why it shouldn't be sold to voters as school choice, it's really the school's choice.

It wasn't a ballot issue. Nobody said the school wouldn't have to make admission decisions.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Call me crazy, but I'd like to know that the math teacher actually knows stuff about...math.

Math test scores at private schools indicate the teachers know what they are doing, actually better than public schools

In a private school, that's fine. In a public school - unless it's some sort of general religion class, it would be inappropriate in a setting that's supposed to be nondenominational.

Seems like the public schools would be a lot better off to instill some sort of love they neighbor philosophy in the students

 

[RicoSuave102954]

you don't need god for that.

According to who? You? LOL

 

[sober_teacher]

Math test scores at private schools indicate the teachers know what they are doing, actually better than public schools

Seems like the public schools would be a lot better off to instill some sort of love they neighbor philosophy in the students

You don’t need faith in god to teach morality.

And you sidestepped the question again regarding teacher certification. Do you believe teachers shouldn’t have to demonstrate they know about the subjects they teach, and that schools are hiring qualified individuals?

 

[gohawks50]

It wasn't a ballot issue. Nobody said the school wouldn't have to make admission decisions.

I am aware, that doesn't mean Republicans aren't touting it as school choice to their constituents. If it were a ballot issue in Iowa it would fail just like it did in Nebraska.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Which is exactly why it shouldn't be sold to voters as school choice, it's really the school's choice.

Actually, it's a partnership between the parent and the school, both parties have to agree. You and your ilk would destroy the private schools by forcing them to accept everyone who applied. if that happened, they would become as broken and worthless as the Iowa Public Schools have become.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

You don’t need faith in god to teach morality.

And you sidestepped the question again regarding teacher certification. Do you believe teachers shouldn’t have to demonstrate they know about the subjects they teach, and that schools are hiring qualified individuals?

Show me where they are not qualified? I didn't sidestep anything I'll double down on the test scores in math being better than the State average in the public schools.

 

[sober_teacher]

Show me where they are not qualified? I didn't sidestep anything I'll double down on the test scores in math being better than the State average in the public schools.

We don’t know about their qualifications, that’s the point.

We’ve already explained to you reasons that explain the test scores you hold up as incontrovertible proof.

 

[tumorboy]

The superior education offered by a private school is directly related to its ability to screen applicants,.. Societal divisions aren't going away...

Also the superior education is the teacher to student ratio. When students have more one on one attention they almost always thrive compared to ones that don’t get it. As I said it’s maintaining a club. Now with public dollars.
The Ivy league and other top colleges do the same thing. With their tax free endowments. The college and university system has created a divide of have and have nots as well.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

We don’t know about their qualifications, that’s the point.

We’ve already explained to you reasons that explain the test scores you hold up as incontrovertible proof.

You've done nothing but make excuses for the failing scores in the public schools. You do nothing but repeat the NEA talking points.

Reality is there's a mass exodus from the Public Schools and you ignore or you're too dumb to know why.

 

[tumorboy]

 

[Gimmered]

If for no other reason…religion privides a solid foundation for how to live your lives with: humility, self-control, respect for others, etc. You know…traits that kids would benefit from. 😉

So like good Christians like Donald J Trump?

 

[RileyHawk]

The superior education offered by a private school is directly related to its ability to screen applicants,.. Societal divisions aren't going away...

Where do you get that a private school education is superior? Please show your work.

 

[RileyHawk]

It wasn't a ballot issue. Nobody said the school wouldn't have to make admission decisions.

But lots of people, like you, continue to maintain that it's school choice for families. But it's not.

Is this a tacit admission that you've been full of shit about that point all along?

 

[RileyHawk]

Show me where they are not qualified? I didn't sidestep anything I'll double down on the test scores in math being better than the State average in the public schools.

Now it's better than average. Can't make this shit up.

 

[Pinehawk]

But lots of people, like you, continue to maintain that it's school choice for families. But it's not.

Is this a tacit admission that you've been full of shit about that point all along?

Families do now have more choice than they did before. That does not mean they are guaranteed enrollment.
I have never said differently. But, you continue to seem to be incapable to understanding this nuance.

 

[RileyHawk]

You've done nothing but make excuses for the failing scores in the public schools. You do nothing but repeat the NEA talking points.

Reality is there's a mass exodus from the Public Schools and you ignore or you're too dumb to know why.

"Mass exodus" - Lol. Private school enrollment is up less than 3000 students from 2019 to 2023. That's .7% of the 2023 public school enrollment for 2023.

You're a moron.

 

[Pinehawk]

NAEP 2011 Reading Report Card
Percentage of Students in Public and Private Schools At or Above Various Achievement Levels

 

[RileyHawk]

Families do now have more choice than they did before. That does not mean they are guaranteed enrollment.
I have never said differently. But, you continue to seem to be incapable to understanding this nuance.

There's not more choice than before. There is more subsidy to enable the choice. And, so far, that subsidy of $200M+ is going to less than 3000 new students in private school. Even if you can back up the claim that private school education is better than public school (it often isn't) that's a HUGE pricetag to benefit so few students. But it does have the added benefit for some of you that it takes needed resources away from public schools.

You're a shill because you benefit from this sham.

 

[Pinehawk]

"In a report titled Private Schools: A Brief Portrait, the U.S. Department of Education had this to say about the academic performance of private schools:

• Private school students generally perform higher than their public school counterparts on standardized achievement tests.
• Private high schools typically have more demanding graduation requirements than do public high schools.
• Private school graduates are more likely than their peers from public schools to have completed advanced-level courses in three academic subject areas (see table).
• Private school students are more likely than public school students to complete a bachelor’s or advanced degree by their mid-20s (see table).

Private school students scored well above the national average in the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)."

 

[RileyHawk]

NAEP 2011 Reading Report Card
Percentage of Students in Public and Private Schools At or Above Various Achievement Levels

Lol - you're such a rube. How many voucher programs were in effect in 2011?

• Indiana’s Choice Scholarship Program:
  Early studies found that students transferring to private schools under the program experienced an initial drop in math scores that persisted over time. Reading scores were more stable but showed no significant improvement.
• Louisiana Scholarship Program (LSP):
  A study of the LSP found that voucher students performed worse in math, science, and social studies compared to their peers in public schools. Researchers attribute these results to the low quality of some participating private schools.

 

[RileyHawk]

"In a report titled Private Schools: A Brief Portrait, the U.S. Department of Education had this to say about the academic performance of private schools:

• Private school students generally perform higher than their public school counterparts on standardized achievement tests.
• Private high schools typically have more demanding graduation requirements than do public high schools.
• Private school graduates are more likely than their peers from public schools to have completed advanced-level courses in three academic subject areas (see table).
• Private school students are more likely than public school students to complete a bachelor’s or advanced degree by their mid-20s (see table).

Private school students scored well above the national average in the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)."

And why do you suppose this is the case?

Since private school attendees make up less than 10% of all the students in Iowa let's compare private school outcomes with the top 10% of public schools. Even the top 25%.

The notion that a private school education is better than someone can get from a public school education is a farce. And it's perpetuated by liars like you who want to keep the subsidies flowing to your pockets and those of your church.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

NAEP 2011 Reading Report Card
Percentage of Students in Public and Private Schools At or Above Various Achievement Levels

Are you serious? This isn't data.
It would be ok if ALL PRIVATE SCHOOLS HAD TO TEST AND SUBMIT DATA.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

"In a report titled Private Schools: A Brief Portrait, the U.S. Department of Education had this to say about the academic performance of private schools:

• Private school students generally perform higher than their public school counterparts on standardized achievement tests.
• Private high schools typically have more demanding graduation requirements than do public high schools.
• Private school graduates are more likely than their peers from public schools to have completed advanced-level courses in three academic subject areas (see table).
• Private school students are more likely than public school students to complete a bachelor’s or advanced degree by their mid-20s (see table).

Private school students scored well above the national average in the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)."

There are also reports showing:
that when adjusted for socio-economic status (you know the IEP kids that private schools do not have) they are not better.