Hispanics are flocking to the private schools now that Iowa has "true" school choice.
Dubuque private school raises tuition by 58% after voucher expansion
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I mean, if you wanted to try and do a straight up comparison the best that you could do would probably be to take the top achievers for each class and compare to the total enrollment of Dowling for example.
Nah - just take a school like Waukee and compare them to Dowling. Or any top public school in the state compared to a private school.
The notion that private schools have better outcomes than all public schools is bullshit.
You still can’t even try to offer facts to refute a point.
Here’s an example: take 1,000 students. School A can pick any 100 students they want, based on any criteria they want; School B has to take the rest.
Which do you think has the higher % of graduates.
The results get skewed because private schools typically also have smaller enrollments, avg class sizes, etc.
Basic knowledge of statistics will tell you the large the sample sizes the lower your average gets.
I think most of us do,.. and these different sample populations are a big part of whats driving the movement towards private schools...
The subsidy is what is driving the movement. Previously private school attendance was not rising with any significance, if at all.
Small sample size alert...but two private schools that I know a fair amount about in the Johnson County, IA, area were experiencing significant growth PRIOR to the subsidy change. It is then ALSO true that the growth continues after the subsidy change. But it was already happening before that.
I don't have enough data on any other schools to say one way or the other, but I know that your blanket statement above does not apply to the two that I do know about. FWIW.
You're just falling over yourself with the excuses. Most private schools in Iowa have a 100% graduation rate. Most Public Schools throw a party it they hit a little over 50% graduation rate.
Which one is failing?
What do you consider significant? 25%? 50%?
The total certified private school enrollment in Iowa was 35,864 in 2005-06, it fell to 33,405 in 2019-20.
https://educate.iowa.gov/pk-12/data/data-collections/certified-enrollment/nonpublic-schools
Those don’t necessarily mean anything about which school is better or worse. And again, I don’t have a problem with people choosing private schools in general. What I object to is 1) private schools getting to take that voucher money and not have any strings attached or oversight at all, and 2) Iowa republicans have yet to propose fixes to the supposedly failing public schools; for whom the overwhelming majority of Iowa families have no choice but to send their kids to.
Most counties in Iowa don’t have private schools, and the ones that do have strict limits on total enrollment due to capacity at the school.
Feel free to actually refute a point.
To be fair I’d imagine the numbers have risen since the voucher program was passed, tho that obviously still leaves the majority of Iowa students still in the cold.
Graduation rate for the entire state is just under 90%. You really have no clue what you are talking about in this thread.
I'm accurate in my assessment regarding which of my examples describes "failure" and which one describes success. Most students in the private schools come from families with multiple children, blue collar parents who scrap by to pay the tuition.
Yes, but not much. 36,195 after the 2023 year. The vast, vast majority of the money is going to students already enrolled in private school which is why the cost estimates for this debacle are getting blown out of the water.
A way to look at this is there are 3000 additional students getting a private education. Approximately $220M is going to this program - that equates to over $73,000 per new student. It's crazy and will get even worse when the income cap goes away completely and home schoolers are allowed to rake in the bucks as well.
The goalposts are getting moved all over the place. lol.
Nice. So staff salaries and certifications? Student information and performance? Comprehensive financial data? Detailed reporting of all SPED students? Annual transportation information? Facilities and election information? Board terms and roles? Title applications and information?
Oh wait, those are all reports that public schools have to do with the information being made publicly available. Nevermind.
LOL - it's good that you are recognizing your attempts to do so. Still, I'm doubtful you will stop the spinning and deflecting.
I think one of your issues here is that you are looking back twenty years. I have seen the rise in the last 4-7 years. The one school has more than doubled in population from 2018 to now. The other one I am less familiar with exact numbers, but several parents that I know that have kids there have remarked in the past few years that they are growing enrollment significantly in the past few years.
Both schools would have had lower student populations 7 or 8 years ago than they would have 20 years ago and are now "back" to historical highs. You also stop your window in '19-20...or 4-1/2 years ago. I think the school voucher is just now in its 2nd year. A LOT happened in the "missing" 2-1/2 years in your comparative timeline. Response to COVID being #1.
He thought that public schools were receiving funding for private school students in their district prior to the voucher scam.
He knows nothing about education or school finance. Just let him laugh react and move on because he will never actually answer a question.
Haha, I see how you now tried to change that statement by adding 'prior to the vouchers', because you know you were wrong.
Nice try, but I noticed.
I went to 2019-20 to demonstrate enrollment had not been rising before the vouchers come into existence. It's currently back at similar levels to 20 years ago but still far lower than 30 years ago. Private school enrollment was declining on it's own.
As noted it has risen modestly since 2019, about 3000 students in total. That is a tiny percentage of the overall number of students needing to be educated. It will continue to rise but the fact remains the vast, vast majority of the funds are going to a tiny percentage of students who would not have been attending private school otherwise.
I would love to know which school has doubled in size and the circumstances around it. I don't consider students moving from one private school to another one to be growth.
LOL - Why would staff salaries and certs be the States business. Sped students don't belong in high academic schools.
You're all over the place, just keep paying taxes and contributing to educating these private school students.
Wtf…you actually think people need less Christianity in their lives? I hope you were being sarcastic. 😳
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Not from schools funded by the public.
Are you good with a little more Islam in their lives as well?
What’s happened to the population of the area in that time.
My kids, thankfully, are young adults out of school/college, so I’m out of the loop on this topic. However, my uneducated guess is that problems in the public school system have likely increased the # of kids being home schooled…is that the case?Be gone you peasants !! Go back to your huts , don't disrupt my Muffie's private school education !!! Back to your lowly public schools for your simpleton education !! 🤣 🤣
You've never heard of the fall BEDS staff? Lol.
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Religion does nothing to further society. If you want to believe in a higher power, that's great. Other than that, Christianity or any religion for that matter serves no practical purpose.
What?
Before the voucher scam passed you thought that public schools were receiving funding for resident students in their district attending private schools. I'm not sure what you're aiming at here, but you were hilariously wrong and that's why we don't take you seriously.
If it’s billed as a “Muslim” school, I would have no issues with it.
If for no other reason…religion privides a solid foundation for how to live your lives with: humility, self-control, respect for others, etc. You know…traits that kids would benefit from. 😉
