Dubuque private school raises tuition by 58% after voucher expansion

[RicoSuave102954]

Actually I have a couple of follow-up questions -

1. The thread is about vouchers. I asked if the vouchers were helping kids, making private school more affordable. Since private schools raised their tuition it doesn't seem like it's any more affordable.

2. You mentioned that private schools spend a nickel for every dollar spent by public schools. I asked for support for that assertion and wondered how they did that.

To those questions you responded with "Iowa public schools suck".

3. In this post you said, "It was never about the amount of money a school charges .....". What is "it"? The voucher program? The vouchers are only about money.

Let me guess - Iowa Public schools suck.

Thanks for finally admitting Iowa Public Schools suck. thus the mass exodus since the vouchers became available.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Thanks for finally admitting Iowa Public Schools suck. thus the mass exodus since the vouchers became available.

You're welcome, even thought I didn't express an opinion about public schools.

And I appreciate you remaining consistent and not answering any of my questions.

 

[sober_teacher]

For you libs it always comes down to $ doesn't it. Prior to those students "opting out" the public schools were failing so putting the same students back in the public school system is still a net zero as far as improving goes.

No, most schools are not “failing” no matter how many times you and others say so. Most do just fine, even if they’re not doing what you think they should.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

No, most schools are not “failing” no matter how many times you and others say so. Most do just fine, even if they’re not doing what you think they should.

Based on your statement above then test scores overall in Iowa have stopped falling and going up? I think not.

 

[bojihawk44]

You are so very close. Now bridge over the why that would happen. A class of 30 kids at 8k per kid is 240k.

Tell me you don't know how the general fund operates without telling me.

 

[sober_teacher]

Based on your statement above then test scores overall in Iowa have stopped falling and going up? I think not.

I have no idea. But judging the success or failure of a school based on a single benchmark is stupid.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

I have no idea. But judging the success or failure of a school based on a single benchmark is stupid.

Translation = They keep falling but what the heck I still get paid no matter what.

 

[sober_teacher]

Translation = They keep falling but what the heck I still get paid no matter what.

(Whisper) Does anyone want to remind Rico I don’t teach anymore?

 

[RileyHawk]

Translation = They keep falling but what the heck I still get paid no matter what.

What are the test scores for the Iowa private schools doing?

Oh yeah, that's right. They don't have to report those. Or provide any progress updates.

 

[sober_teacher]

What are the test scores for the Iowa private schools doing?

Oh yeah, that's right. They don't have to report those. Or provide any progress updates.

And again, since they get to pick and choose who they accept, not to mention being smaller statistically, that inflates their averages.

 

[Pinehawk]

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What are the test scores for the Iowa private schools doing?

Oh yeah, that's right. They don't have to report those. Or provide any progress updates.

They must be pretty good, or the enrollment wouldn’t be growing so quickly. Parents seem pretty happy.

 

[RileyHawk]

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they must be pretty good, or the enrollment wouldn’t be growing so quickly. Parents seem pretty happy.

That's a blatantly false narrative. Parents are happy to be getting subsidized.

How much growth has occurred in private schools?

 

[RicoSuave102954]

And again, since they get to pick and choose who they accept, not to mention being smaller statistically, that inflates their averages.

Here comes the excuse train.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

What are the test scores for the Iowa private schools doing?

Oh yeah, that's right. They don't have to report those. Or provide any progress updates.

Graduation rates are higher and so are SAT scores. The % of students going on to college from private schools in Iowa is significantly higher than their public-school counterparts.

Those are facts!

 

[sober_teacher]

Here comes the excuse train.

Tell me you don’t know how statistics or private school admissions work without telling me.

 

[RileyHawk]

Graduation rates are higher and so are SAT scores. The % of students going on to college from private schools in Iowa is significantly higher than their public-school counterparts.

Those are facts!

Link or GTFO.

 

[Pinehawk]

Organizations, that up until two years ago, existed only by convincing parents to invest in their children’s education…were also apparently turning down students/money in an elaborate scheme to inflate their test scores…scores which they refuse to share with anyone.
Quite the pretzel they’ve got themselves twisted into.

 

[RileyHawk]

Organizations, that up until two years ago, existed only by convincing parents to invest in their children’s education…was also apparently turning down money in an elaborate scheme to inflate their test scores…scores which they refuse to share with anyone.
Quite the pretzel they’ve got themselves twisted into.

Quite the twist you're making while not providing any evidence to back up your claim.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Tell me you don’t know how statistics or private school admissions work without telling me.

You're the one who is clueless on the subject.

 

[Pinehawk]

Quite the twist you're making while not providing any evidence to back up your claim.

That was the claim you’re making. They control their admissions, even to their own financial disadvantage. And, yet they then hide those ‘inflated’ test scores. It makes no sense. But, it’s what you’re telling us.

 

[RileyHawk]

That was the claim you’re making. They control their admissions, even to their own financial disadvantage. And, yet they then hide those ‘inflated’ test scores. It makes no sense. But, it’s what you’re telling us.

No. You're wrong again.

Still no evidence to back up your claim. As usual.

 

[Pinehawk]

No. You're wrong again.

Still no evidence to back up your claim. As usual.

What are the test scores for the Iowa private schools doing?

Oh yeah, that's right. They don't have to report those. Or provide any progress updates.

And again, since they get to pick and choose who they accept, not to mention being smaller statistically, that inflates their averages.

 

[RileyHawk]

Still nothing from Pinehawk. Figures.

 

[sober_teacher]

You're the one who is clueless on the subject.

Should be quite easy to provide actual facts to prove me wrong then.

Oh wait, you haven’t, not once.

Something like 85-90% of students attend public schools. Simple logic should tell you that a straight comparison between private and public schools for standardized test results isn’t an apples to apples comparison.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Should be quite easy to provide actual facts to prove me wrong then.

Oh wait, you haven’t, not once.

Something like 85-90% of students attend public schools. Simple logic should tell you that a straight comparison between private and public schools for standardized test results isn’t an apples to apples comparison.

Here comes Sober T and the old excuse train.

 

[sober_teacher]

Here comes Sober T and the old excuse train.

Again. Prove. Me. Wrong.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

What are the test scores for the Iowa private schools doing?

Oh yeah, that's right. They don't have to report those. Or provide any progress updates.

8. Are there any specific laws or regulations that apply only to private schools in Iowa?​

Yes, there are specific laws and regulations that apply only to private schools in Iowa. Some of the key laws and regulations include:

1. Exemption from State Accreditation: Private schools in Iowa are not required to be accredited by the state, though many do pursue accreditation voluntarily.

2. Non-Discrimination: Private schools in Iowa cannot discriminate based on race, color, national origin, religion, disability, or sex.

3. Teacher Certification: Unlike public school teachers, Iowa does not require private school teachers to have state certification.

4. Filing of Annual Reports: All private schools in Iowa must file an annual report with the state each year.

5. Student Immunization Requirements: Private schools are required to comply with the same immunization requirements as public schools in Iowa.

6. Health and Safety Standards: Private schools must meet state health and safety standards for their facilities.

7. Background Checks for Employees: All employees of private schools in Iowa who work with students must undergo a background check.

8. Curriculum Requirements: Private schools are free to design their own curriculum, but it must meet certain standards set by the state.

9. Religious Exemption from Certain Laws: Private religious schools may be exempt from certain laws if they can prove that compliance would conflict with their religious beliefs.

10. Compliance with Mandatory Reporting Laws: Like public school employees, private school employees are considered mandatory reporters for suspected child abuse or neglect.

Public vs. Private School Policies in Iowa – State Regs Today

www.stateregstoday.com

 

[sober_teacher]

8. Are there any specific laws or regulations that apply only to private schools in Iowa?​

Yes, there are specific laws and regulations that apply only to private schools in Iowa. Some of the key laws and regulations include:

1. Exemption from State Accreditation: Private schools in Iowa are not required to be accredited by the state, though many do pursue accreditation voluntarily.

2. Non-Discrimination: Private schools in Iowa cannot discriminate based on race, color, national origin, religion, disability, or sex.

3. Teacher Certification: Unlike public school teachers, Iowa does not require private school teachers to have state certification.

4. Filing of Annual Reports: All private schools in Iowa must file an annual report with the state each year.

5. Student Immunization Requirements: Private schools are required to comply with the same immunization requirements as public schools in Iowa.

6. Health and Safety Standards: Private schools must meet state health and safety standards for their facilities.

7. Background Checks for Employees: All employees of private schools in Iowa who work with students must undergo a background check.

8. Curriculum Requirements: Private schools are free to design their own curriculum, but it must meet certain standards set by the state.

9. Religious Exemption from Certain Laws: Private religious schools may be exempt from certain laws if they can prove that compliance would conflict with their religious beliefs.

10. Compliance with Mandatory Reporting Laws: Like public school employees, private school employees are considered mandatory reporters for suspected child abuse or neglect.

Public vs. Private School Policies in Iowa – State Regs Today

www.stateregstoday.com

Is there something about reporting test results that I’m not seeing?

 

[RileyHawk]

8. Are there any specific laws or regulations that apply only to private schools in Iowa?​

Yes, there are specific laws and regulations that apply only to private schools in Iowa. Some of the key laws and regulations include:

1. Exemption from State Accreditation: Private schools in Iowa are not required to be accredited by the state, though many do pursue accreditation voluntarily.

2. Non-Discrimination: Private schools in Iowa cannot discriminate based on race, color, national origin, religion, disability, or sex.

3. Teacher Certification: Unlike public school teachers, Iowa does not require private school teachers to have state certification.

4. Filing of Annual Reports: All private schools in Iowa must file an annual report with the state each year.

5. Student Immunization Requirements: Private schools are required to comply with the same immunization requirements as public schools in Iowa.

6. Health and Safety Standards: Private schools must meet state health and safety standards for their facilities.

7. Background Checks for Employees: All employees of private schools in Iowa who work with students must undergo a background check.

8. Curriculum Requirements: Private schools are free to design their own curriculum, but it must meet certain standards set by the state.

9. Religious Exemption from Certain Laws: Private religious schools may be exempt from certain laws if they can prove that compliance would conflict with their religious beliefs.

10. Compliance with Mandatory Reporting Laws: Like public school employees, private school employees are considered mandatory reporters for suspected child abuse or neglect.

Public vs. Private School Policies in Iowa – State Regs Today

www.stateregstoday.com

Thanks for proving my point.

You are still a moron.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

That was the claim you’re making. They control their admissions, even to their own financial disadvantage. And, yet they then hide those ‘inflated’ test scores. It makes no sense. But, it’s what you’re telling us.

sports now money from the state... Our rich private school counterparts are starting on 3rd base and think they are effective. Let me know when private schools post the test scores of all their kids so we can compare apples to apples.

 

[sober_teacher]

sports now money from the state... Our rich private school counterparts are starting on 3rd base and think they are effective. Let me know when private schools post the test scores of all their kids so we can compare apples to apples.

It still wouldn’t be because of the differences in sample populations, class sizes, etc.

But public schools are failing so that’s the narrative.

Still haven’t heard specifics regarding well, anything.

 

[RileyHawk]

sports now money from the state... Our rich private school counterparts are starting on 3rd base and think they are effective. Let me know when private schools post the test scores of all their kids so we can compare apples to apples.

I would put Johnston, Waukee, even Valley up against Dowling academically any day. Plenty of public schools would fare very well in comparison to the top private schools.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

I would put Johnston, Waukee, even Valley up against Dowling academically any day. Plenty of public schools would fare very well in comparison to the top private schools.

adjusting for socioeconomic's public schools often surpass private schools. THose listed are a good example. (they are also from well off locations) the exact advantage private schools have.

 

[Tom Paris]

That was the claim you’re making. They control their admissions, even to their own financial disadvantage. And, yet they then hide those ‘inflated’ test scores. It makes no sense. But, it’s what you’re telling us.

It makes total sense, but you're too obtuse to admit it. As we continue to see, privates aren't adding poor students or students of color to any degree at all. You're little tuition raises continue to keep those undesirables out. You're just a liar about all of this.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Is there something about reporting test results that I’m not seeing?

4. Filing of Annual Reports: All private schools in Iowa must file an annual report with the state each year.

8. Curriculum Requirements: Private schools are free to design their own curriculum, but it must meet certain standards set by the state.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Thanks for proving my point.

You are still a moron.

Private schools in Iowa have higher graduation rates, higher SAT scores and a much higher % of graduates going on to college.

Game - Set - Match

 

[RileyHawk]

4. Filing of Annual Reports: All private schools in Iowa must file an annual report with the state each year.

8. Curriculum Requirements: Private schools are free to design their own curriculum, but it must meet certain standards set by the state.

FFS - that's weak even for you.

 

[sober_teacher]

4. Filing of Annual Reports: All private schools in Iowa must file an annual report with the state each year.

8. Curriculum Requirements: Private schools are free to design their own curriculum, but it must meet certain standards set by the state.

Neither of those talk about test scores having to be included.

 

[RileyHawk]

Private schools in Iowa have higher graduation rates, higher SAT scores and a much higher % of graduates going on to college.

Game - Set - Match

Higher than who? The best public schools? No.

Link or GTFO.

 

[sober_teacher]

Private schools in Iowa have higher graduation rates, higher SAT scores and a much higher % of graduates going on to college.

Game - Set - Match

You really don’t get how different sample populations affect statistics do you?