Then the Jan 6th rioters weren’t terrorists either right? They didn’t kill anyone either. The only riot related death came at the hands of the Capital Police.
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He lost because another guy in his party in that state that easily wins re-election every election also is in that state?
And Trump's touting a Republican winning in Mississippi as some sort of big win.
I mean seriously that's like Biden taking credit for the Dem winning in California.
I would call them insurrectionists more than terrorists. Terrorists attack civilians. . . insurrectionists battle government forces. In this case Capitol Police.
Antifa could at times be called rioters, but not insurrectionists. Difference here is motivation and target. Insurrectionists have a motivation to overthrow the government. Rioters just want to cause as much destruction as possible and usually don't care who owns the things they are destroying.
Please tell me what ‘evils’ the run of the mill Republican stands for. Because whatever you think it is is wrong.
You mistake support for Trump as support for his brand of crazy. While that may be true for a small subset, almost all of us support him with our nose held. The fact is that many support him as a counter to the policies that democrats stand for.
These are the things that we fear:
1) gun confiscation
2) feckless foreign policy
3) inflation running amok. Loan rates at recent highs.
4) shifting of the morals of the country that is seen as the increasing secularization of it. This agenda being force fed on us by a willing media trying to move the Overton window in not just incremental fashion but in huge chunks. What was thought to be at the fringe of society is now encouraged.
5) increasing lawlessness
6) out of control illegal immigration
So while you try to equate his support to being for the overthrow of government, and I don’t blame you for trying to frame it that way to benefit yourselves, this isn’t the case.
The democrats increasingly are tearing the country apart from the inside covertly rather than overtly as the Jan 6th rioters did. Trying to separate us from each other.
The Gaetz's, Boebert's and MTG's of the party represent the fringes of mine just as the Squad does yours. The difference being the nuts in my party aren't defending actual terrorists. Just an unhinged small group of rioters that worship Trump.
Thumping his chest because the GOP retained the governor's mansion in MISSISSIPPI.
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Just another Republican out there saying they don’t like democracy or letting people vote for what they want.
And he wonders why they can’t win 😂
Antifa is made up almost entirely of anarchists so I disagree. Which President did those that created the Autonomous Zone favor?
You think that your side is different. I get it. That's human nature. You feel just as disassociated from your crazies as I do mine. But fact is, those from the other side see those as representative.
Just because you don't like the ‘Both Sides’ argument doesn't mean it isn't applicable depending on your honesty.
If it's such a small collection who genuinely support Trump and his brand of crazy ... then why aren't millions of Republicans selecting another candidate in the primary? Trump was chosen from a massive field in 2015 and he's being chosen willfully again from a large field in 2023. The "hold my nose and support him" claim doesn't work when Republicans continually have other options and choose Trump as their No. 1 choice. If it was a small subset of people who truly want Trump — as you are alleging — then Haley or DeSantis or Scott would be running away with this primary.
Except the Dems arn't backing Antifa or calling their prosecutions "politicial"
The current speaker of the house on the other hand was part of the group that tried to overturn the election.
It's the same for me. A couple aunts and an uncle I rarely see are lost and my sister was but she seems to be exiting the fog and realizing how crazy MAGA is. The rest of my family and friends are all sane which is kind of crazy because the vast majority of them are conservatives.
This is the part that Rs don't get. The crazy is running your party. Pointing out the crazy in the other party when it is the minority voice and holds no real power is stupid when your crazy is controlling your side. Get your side in order and then maybe you might have an argument.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't they burn down a police station? Maybe a Court house or two out west? Take over an entire downtown area in Seattle?
I have no idea. If I had the answer to that I’d try to get them to coalesce around one alternate.
I think it has a lot to do with the way that many feel increasingly made to feel that their beliefs and lifestyle are being assaulted. They want the firebrand guy. Especially if they feel like he has been unfairly accused of things, charged with crimes that others haven’t etc. Trump is their big middle finger to them.
Paradoxically, had he not been accused of collusion with Russia, accused of pressure on phone calls with Ukraine, accused of financial crimes, accused of the classified documents stuff he probably wouldn’t be leading right now. They see, clearly so, how similar behavior amongst top democrats (Biden, Hillary) isn’t scrutinized of charged like he has been and it pisses them off. I get it. And accordingly they wanna cut their nose off despite their face because of it.
That's where the term "rioters" comes into play.
And if I'm not mistaken, there was also a Proud Boy or 2 involved in that police station situation.
You know what? Sure. That's it Donnie. You all run with that.
Why the hell should we try to educate them on why they keep f*****g up elections? They can live in denial land indefinitely. As long as Democrats keep pointing to the actions the GOP takes every time they are in control they will win every election for the foreseeable future.
Was there a motivation to overthrow the government? Did they fight police with violence?
Nope, they were not. They couldn't find evidence of them being there. Just like the Umbrella Man wasn't the Hell's Angel that the news reported. He checked out and wasn't even within 50 miles of the riots.
So, burning down Gov. buildings and take over an entire area of a city is just rioting? Strange in thought.
I want to see a smarter, more reasoned GOP. AS an independant, I might vote for them. I agree with some of what they propose (more fiscal than anything else). But this current field of R's is easy to dismiss.
They won’t. They’re too far gone. The damn tea party should have been crushed 15-20 years ago. Nobody took them seriously.
Evidence? I know they burned a police station. I don't recall them fighting the cops.
The thing is, the vast majority in Congress enabled Trump. The vast majority in the House voted to not certify the election. Which of these seditionists am I supposed to forgive and let them move onward making decisions for the rest of us? Good God when I actually find McConnell a voice of reason…
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I genuinely get the point you're trying to make, but reality is that the overwhelming majority of conservatives in this country like Trump, want Trump, and he's their No. 1 choice. The "hold my nose and support him" group is a sliver of the GOP. Countless times this party has been presented with alternatives to MAGA, but they always choose MAGA by a decisive margin that leaves no question who is beloved.
But I keep being told here that democracy isn’t under attack. Same guys. Even though all signs point to yes.
Ahhh you're right, not a Proud Boy, it was a Boogaloo Boi. Shooting an AK47 type gun into the police station during a riot. My bad. Boogaloo Boi shoots up police station during riot, and Proud Boys attempt to overthrow the government. I always have a problem remembering the difference.
"MINNEAPOLIS – A Texas man pleaded guilty today to a federal riot charge in connection to the 2020 civil unrest, announced Acting U.S. Attorney W. Anders Folk.
According to court documents, Ivan Hunter, 24, admitted to traveling from San Antonio, Texas to Minneapolis with the intent to participate in a riot. Hunter is a self-described member of the Boogaloo Bois, a loosely connected group of individuals who espouse violent anti-government sentiments. The term “Boogaloo” itself references an impending second civil war in the United States and is associated with violent uprisings against the government.
On the night of May 28, 2020, Hunter was captured on video discharging 13 rounds from an AK-47 style semiautomatic rifle into the Minneapolis Police Department’s Third Precinct building. At the time of the shooting there were other individuals believed to be looters still inside the building. Law enforcement recovered from the scene discharged rifle casings consistent with an AK-47 style firearm."
Self-Described Member of “Boogaloo Bois” Pleads Guilty to Riot
None of the facts support this fever dream of desperation trying to justify how you've realized you are now with the bad guys. If you want anyone to actually believe that's what Republicans stand for then quit voting for them. It's going to hurt, it's going to hurt bad while you purge the crazies from the party, but it has to happen. The current party looks nothing like what you are describing here.
"Increasing lawlessness"?? Seriously? That's what they are concerned about? Then why are they voting for the guy who has 91 felony indictments?? Give me a break, lawlessness is increasing because it's Republicans in charge breaking the law.
LOL at Gov. Youngkin today. He’s all common sense middle ground on abortion, and talking about the pain this issue causes.
Even if they had, how is this comparable to a coup?
See it's hard for both sides to accept that they both did very harmful things to America. You can spin things however you want, but if you hurt people/buildings and take over towns, that's an Inserection. You are causing harm to gain power and influence. So yes, in a roundabout way, it is a coup. Jan 6th was done the same way only with the other side. Both sides were wrong and are still wrong, and even more wrong now for not condemning the actions of the ones who did it.
Pardon the pun, but that’s a very liberal definition of insurrection…and you’re using it tk both sides 1/6; where one party literally tried to overturn the results of an election. Something that hasn’t happened since the civil war.
@unsubstantiated and @Kelsers not sure what you are laughing about, this whole threat is filled with the very news article.
We have protests all the time. Many turn violent. Only once have we ever had the president direct his voters to invade the cap to try to overthrow the government. You comparing the two is not just insane, it's disrespectful to our democracy.
What about the court buildings and city take over. Who caused that? Why haven't they issued an apology to the guy they tried to frame as the Umbrella Man? They were all over the national news for weeks blabbing about the Hell's Angel who did it. Turned out not to be him.Ahhh you're right, not a Proud Boy, it was a Boogaloo Boi. Shooting an AK47 type gun into the police station during a riot. My bad. Boogaloo Boi shoots up police station during riot, and Proud Boys attempt to overthrow the government. I always have a problem remembering the difference.
"MINNEAPOLIS – A Texas man pleaded guilty today to a federal riot charge in connection to the 2020 civil unrest, announced Acting U.S. Attorney W. Anders Folk.
According to court documents, Ivan Hunter, 24, admitted to traveling from San Antonio, Texas to Minneapolis with the intent to participate in a riot. Hunter is a self-described member of the Boogaloo Bois, a loosely connected group of individuals who espouse violent anti-government sentiments. The term “Boogaloo” itself references an impending second civil war in the United States and is associated with violent uprisings against the government.
On the night of May 28, 2020, Hunter was captured on video discharging 13 rounds from an AK-47 style semiautomatic rifle into the Minneapolis Police Department’s Third Precinct building. At the time of the shooting there were other individuals believed to be looters still inside the building. Law enforcement recovered from the scene discharged rifle casings consistent with an AK-47 style firearm."
Self-Described Member of “Boogaloo Bois” Pleads Guilty to Riot
www.justice.gov
I’m laughing at your poor grammar and your insistence that one news article, in one mayoral race - is your slam-dunk about “widespread” voter fraud.
