Bruce Perkins,Tavian Banks,Darren Sproles,Johnson,Wegher.
Eno Benjamin
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What don`t people understand about "Iowa Born" ? Banks was born in Illinois and Wegher was born in South Dakota.
Nevermind...Banks and Wegher weren't "born" in the state of Iowa..I f'd up...
I seriously can't think of amy more flawed logic than what you are using. So if the next Adrian Peterson pops out of somebody's vagina in Davenport, you wouldn't want him just because he was born in Iowa? Taking stupid to new levels.
Roger Craig....probably the best Iowa RB of all time
Pretty sure if the next Adrian Petersen was in Iowa, we would of already heard about him. I am sorry but Iowa does not produce Div 1 skill players that often. I would take a Texas Skill player over an Iowa skill player any day of the week. Sorry Texas high school football is better than Iowa. Sorry to burst your bubble. An average recruit in Texas, could move to Iowa and dominate HS football.
Iowa does produce some of the top talent at Linemen, TE, and LB's. I am not debating that, Iowa produces some of the best talent at those positions year in and year out. The lack the skill position development is what gets me. How can we have all these top linemen who sign Div 1, but none of the skill players do. Who was the last great Iowa WR or RB out of the state of Iowa? Arrington or Darboh from Mich? Who was the last great Receiver from Iowa to go to Iowa? Dwight, Brodell? I can't think of anyone else.
I agree Eno is going to be something special. He will be the greatest RB to ever put on an Iowa Jersey.
I'd say Keenan Davis was a better player than Brodell..Just my opinion,though...
As far as the last "great"wr from the state...using recruiting rankings only...I'd say-Allen Lazard..
There is a cultural component to why Iowa doesn't produce more division 1 skill position players. In Texas, football is king. If you're a good skill position player, you want to and will go on to play college football. We don't have that cultural attachment to football in Iowa. I've coached football in Iowa, and I've seen several skill position players choose to play college basketball, baseball, track or another sport, rather than continue to play football at the next level. It's not a lot, but it's more than you'd think. We've had players that division 1 coaches have called about, but when the kid tells them they're not interested in playing college football, the recruitment stops. We aren't a football state, so for a lot of skill athletes, the other options look more intriguing. On the other hand, how many 6'4" 260 pounders are going to go on and play a different sport in college? We produce more lineman, lbs, TEs, etc. because those kids only option to play college sports might be football.
Population size, ethnicity, and economy also factor into the equation, but I feel that the cultural value of the sport plays a larger factor than most realize.
Population size, ethnicity, and economy also factor into the equation, but I feel that the cultural value of the sport plays a larger factor than most realize.
Former Wr's that made NFL rosters that were born in Iowa, since 1990. I haven't heard of a couple of these guys (Twyner,Jenkins).
JJ Moses
Dedric Ward
Kenny Shedd
A. Arrington
T Dwight
K Hill
Marc Boeriggter
Martay Jenkins
Gunnard Twyner
Eddie Berlin
None,outside of Dwight, made much of an impact. Some prolly made practice squads/had very limited actual game time...Feel free to add those that I missed..
JJ Moses
Dedric Ward
Kenny Shedd
A. Arrington
T Dwight
K Hill
Marc Boeriggter
Martay Jenkins
Gunnard Twyner
Eddie Berlin
None,outside of Dwight, made much of an impact. Some prolly made practice squads/had very limited actual game time...Feel free to add those that I missed..
You're completely missing the boat. Talent evaluators don't evaluate relative to their level of competition. If a skill position player from Iowa is ranked a 4* prospect, it sure as hell has isn't because of the competition level they play. If that were true, some of the 8 man players we have signed would be 5* prospects. Texas high school football is much better, but it is still a looooong ways away from D1 college football.
How often Iowa produces D1 level skill players is completely irrelevant. A 4* player is a 4* player whether there are 100 of them in the state, or one of them in the state. I mean seriously, you're saying you would rather scrape the bottom of the barrel in Texas just because they're from Texas, than get guys like Darboh and Lazard.
But Derrick Willies played HS ball in Iowa and he is the greatest college WR of all time, just ask some posters on here that can't get over the fact that he is not playing for iowa
^^^^This
Douglas C. Neidermeyer
HB Legend
Be sure to factor in the 50 or so game days where you will be scarfing down bratwursts and quaffing copious amounts of beer....
Tend to agree, except for the tone. Two obvious exceptions were Tavian Banks and Tim Dwight - granted 20 years ago.
I thought he was from Rock Island? I know he played in Burlington for a year or two, but wasn't he recruited when at Rock Island? I thought the kid was going to be a good one, but apparently had an attitude issue and didn't want to put in the time. Bummer, I just hope I don't see him light it up at Texas Tech.
I am sorry but Iowa is not known for producing tons of skill players. its pure facts and that sucks. Why can't Iowa produce 5-8 Div 1 RB/WR skill players? We do a hell of a job producing linemen/TE/LB's but fall short in the skill position. Why is that? I mean Jay Scheel was a high major recruit, but hasn't produced? Why is that?
Who was iowa's last good recruit from Texas? I remember Drew tate was from down there, anyone else? I know when Hayden Fry was here, didn't he usually average at least 4-5 guys from texas a year. Didnt he basically recruit NJ and Texas? I seem remember a lot of Iowa's studs were from those two areas (also florida I think). I think if you have the right mixture of skill players from the south and mix them with some solid Linemen from the midwest, you can have a pretty solid team. I remember Fry's teams always seemed to be made up that way.
YOU PRICK!!!!!!! Now I have to dial it up another notch!!!!! Just when I guy thinks he's thought of everything. Thanks for the tip Neidermeyer.
Damn you never hear of Michigan being referred to as in the "midwest". Same as Ohio, it seems to be always lumped into a different area when Weather people are talking. But I'll believe it because its posted on the internet.
Watching the weather channel, they talked about the midwest tonight being under the gun for storms, they didn't show Michigan or Ohio. They talked about Indiana, Minnesota, Wisky, Illinois, Iowa, and Mizzou. Never mentioned the other two and they are clearly in the danger zone for weather. When they show the maps, they label them as Upper Ohio something? It shows western PA, OH, Mich, and etc.
Funny midwest states are in the eastern time zone? I guess that is where I could of gotten them confused, just assumed they were in the east, because of their time zone. regardless I never hear Ohio or Michigan people brag that they are in the Midwest.
Have occasionally heard the term Mideast, but I've always considered Michigan and Ohio as Midwest. But then, all my friends & family say I'm one dumb son of a bitch. (If I didn't have spell check you'd be able to tell that too.)
They are more "midwest", than northeast imo.
Also the "midwest" spans 3 time zones.....
The problem is your original point wasn't that Iowa doesn't produce a lot of skill players. Your point was that you would rather have a 1-2 star rb from Texas rather than a 3-4 star running back from iowa. Simply because they've already competed against d1 players. This is seriously one of the dumbest things I've ever read. By this logic let's take the top 2 classes in Texas and offer every single player and field our entire team with those guys. I mean theyve already competed against d1 competition so they should be awesome in college. We're set
Come on Texas can't produce Linemen like Iowa can. I am sorry but when it comes to the Rb position the state of Iowa falls short. Who was the last kid born in Iowa that played RB for Iowa? Wether (only 1 year), A-rob played was pretty good (later suspended). But after that I can't name anyone outside of Tavian Banks, Aaron Grieving, Sam brown lee. Majority of Iowa's "good RBs" have come from out of state. That's why I said what I said. I am sorry majority of Iowa's recent recruits from the state of Iowa have not panned out. So that's why I said, I would rather take a no-namer from Texas, than a 3-4 star from Iowa.
If you can't see that Texas High School Football is better than Iowa High School Football, I really can't help you. I mean your telling me you would take a kid from small town Iowa who rushed for over 2,000yds a season vs "poor competition" than a kid who played in the city league in Texas against multiple Div 1 players??? Humm doesn't make sense, wouldn't you want a player who has gone against good competition as opposed to someone who just walked over everyone?
Why is this so complicated for you? Let me make it simple. Everybody here knows that Texas high school football is much better than Iowa high school football and that Iowa has rarely produced 3* and 4* running backs, but neither of those are make any sense in regards to your argument. The gap between Iowa HS and Texas HS football is tiny compared to the gap between HS and D1 football. The coaching staff finds that factor to be largely irrelevant because most of their development is going to come at the college regardless. Where they played doesn't affect their natural ability, which is what a ranking is based on and why scholarship offers are extended. Melvin Gordon played pretty weak HS football in Wisconsin, but you'd rather take the 2* back from Texas because a couple opposing defenses had D1 players? That's idiotic.
You could safely say that about every state in America. Name a state where a majority of high school RBs are Division 1 prospects. It certainly isn't Texas.
There are over one thousand (1000) high school football teams in Texas alone. Let's try this: allowing for just one RB for each TX high school team, is it your position that there are more than 500 Division 1 RB prospects playing football in Texas this year?
You think culture plays more than a minuscule amount of the equation for skill position players? Texas has 3.2 Million African Americans, Iowa has 100,000. If culture was such a huge factor in the equation as you imply Iowa wouldn't produce such a high percentage of lineman per capita. You give the reasoning that this is because there aren't other college sports for them to play which is absurd when considering how many kids want a football scholarship and the fact there clearly are other less popular college sports they could earn scholarships in. Also I can assure you if Iowa had that many AA's living within it's borders the sports "culture" would be vastly different, making this argument an obvious red herring imo. Iowa could become the most football obsessed state in the history of mankind overnight and it's still not going to make much of a difference in the amount of athletes that can run a 4.4 40 with a 36 inch vertical and a 4.25 shuttle time within the states borders. You need to be a world class athletic freak to play skill positions in the NFL, and culture isn't going to make a difference at all in reaching those numbers.
To further illustrate my point, the top NFL producing states per capita in order are:
1. Alabama
2. Louisiana
3. Georgia
4. Florida
5. Mississippi
6. South Carolina
source: http://usafootball.com/blogs/americas-game/post/10893/st.-thomas-aquinas-of-fort-lauderdale,-fla.,-has-most-nfl-players-of-any-u.s.-high-school
And here's a map of AA population per capita, see any similarities?
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Even more to your point check out iowa states roster. Flooded with Texas and Florida kids. They must be awesome.
Yep, makes perfect sense now!
Even more to your point check out iowa states roster. Flooded with Texas and Florida kids. They must be awesome.
I would bet a lot of money that Brandon was born in Iowa. Not a whole lot of babies born in the Dunes...
[QUOTE="DavenportHawk8, post: 2800752, member: 13780"]Come on Texas can't produce Linemen like Iowa can. I am sorry but when it comes to the Rb position the state of Iowa falls short. Who was the last kid born in Iowa that played RB for Iowa? Wether (only 1 year), A-rob played was pretty good (later suspended). But after that I can't name anyone outside of Tavian Banks, Aaron Grieving, Sam brown lee. Majority of Iowa's "good RBs" have come from out of state. That's why I said what I said. I am sorry majority of Iowa's recent recruits from the state of Iowa have not panned out. So that's why I said, I would rather take a no-namer from Texas, than a 3-4 star from Iowa.
If you can't see that Texas High School Football is better than Iowa High School Football, I really can't help you. I mean your telling me you would take a kid from small town Iowa who rushed for over 2,000yds a season vs "poor competition" than a kid who played in the city league in Texas against multiple Div 1 players??? Humm doesn't make sense, wouldn't you want a player who has gone against good competition as opposed to someone who just walked over everyone?[/QUOTE]
Disclaimer: this is from 2 years ago, but still goes above and beyond proving how dumb you really are.
Now I knew you were dumb, but not quite this dumb. Read your bold above. And then read this paste below.
Offensive Line (360)
Surprisingly the South leads the way with 105 offensive linemen in the NFL. Florida has never been known for this position but they have the region’s most NFL offensive linemen with 24. Louisiana (17) is next with 17 and Georgia has 16. The surprise state is Tennessee with 14.
The common theme is that linemen come from the Midwest. That region actually has a terrific output at 79. Ohio leads the way with 22, followed by Illinois (14), Wisconsin (12), and Michigan (11) – all double digit states.
California has by far and away the most here with 47 offensive linemen. No other state out west has more than seven (Colorado).
Only two states in the Atlantic region have more than ten in Pennsylvania (13) and Virginia (10).
Texas has a large number at 34. The rest of the Midlands region only has 15 combined.
After the South, the West has a total of 81, followed by West (81), Midwest (79), Midlands (49) and Atlantic (46).
So at most, Iowa has 11 with Michigan. Texas has 34. Can you do simple math?
If you can't see that Texas High School Football is better than Iowa High School Football, I really can't help you. I mean your telling me you would take a kid from small town Iowa who rushed for over 2,000yds a season vs "poor competition" than a kid who played in the city league in Texas against multiple Div 1 players??? Humm doesn't make sense, wouldn't you want a player who has gone against good competition as opposed to someone who just walked over everyone?[/QUOTE]
Disclaimer: this is from 2 years ago, but still goes above and beyond proving how dumb you really are.
Now I knew you were dumb, but not quite this dumb. Read your bold above. And then read this paste below.
Offensive Line (360)
Surprisingly the South leads the way with 105 offensive linemen in the NFL. Florida has never been known for this position but they have the region’s most NFL offensive linemen with 24. Louisiana (17) is next with 17 and Georgia has 16. The surprise state is Tennessee with 14.
The common theme is that linemen come from the Midwest. That region actually has a terrific output at 79. Ohio leads the way with 22, followed by Illinois (14), Wisconsin (12), and Michigan (11) – all double digit states.
California has by far and away the most here with 47 offensive linemen. No other state out west has more than seven (Colorado).
Only two states in the Atlantic region have more than ten in Pennsylvania (13) and Virginia (10).
Texas has a large number at 34. The rest of the Midlands region only has 15 combined.
After the South, the West has a total of 81, followed by West (81), Midwest (79), Midlands (49) and Atlantic (46).
So at most, Iowa has 11 with Michigan. Texas has 34. Can you do simple math?
