Face it you heathens... the Bible is VERIFIABLE HISTORY

[BrianNole777]

This sky fairy thread is very entertaining.

Didn't you post several times you saw books fly through the air by themselves?

What caused it?

 

[bcherod]

I know I’m always under your skin so you have to attack me. You like to take everything I say ultra-literally in an effort to find something to attack and ignore context (which in fairness is usually comical directed towards you of course) because you do not care for what I have to say (yet oddly always engage in an argument). But let’s keep the debate lighthearted shall we?

If Jesus was just a teacher and not divine, what separates Him from Buddha, Ghandi, Oprah?

I would not include Oprah in that. Every religion other than Christianity views Jesus as a teacher and a prophet.

Study comparative religion. Christianity wasn’t even created until 400 years after his death.

I’m surprised that some of the most “Christian “ on these boards have not studied the history.

 

[bcherod]

Exactly.

His metaphors about the sheep and the goats and the fish are about people at the final judgement.

Wow Brian. That is not what I learned at all.

The fish and feeding everyone was a lesson sharing. He didn’t make more fish.

 

[the24fan]

I would not include Oprah in that. Every religion other than Christianity views Jesus as a teacher and a prophet.

Study comparative religion. Christianity wasn’t even created until 400 years after his death.

I’m surprised that some of the most “Christian “ on these boards have not studied the history.

Incorrect
The term Christian is mentioned in Acts 11:26
Acts was written between 33CE-61CE by Luke. So literally 30 years after the death of Jesus.
The Christianity you refer to is the deathbed conversion of Constantine , st the council of nicea .

 

[BrianNole777]

I would not include Oprah in that. Every religion other than Christianity views Jesus as a teacher and a prophet.

Study comparative religion. Christianity wasn’t even created until 400 years after his death.

I’m surprised that some of the most “Christian “ on these boards have not studied the history.

The Catholic Church was created way before that.

Here's a letter from 110 A.D. from Ignatius of Antioch where he mentions the Catholic Church.

Just FYI.

Also, in Judaism, Jesus is considered a heretic. Most other religions honor Him in some way, though.


"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."

CHURCH FATHERS: Epistle to the Smyrnaeans (St. Ignatius)

Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.

www.newadvent.org

 

[BrianNole777]

Wow Brian. That is not what I learned at all.

The fish and feeding everyone was a lesson sharing. He didn’t make more fish.

I meant this parable, not the feeding of the 5,000.

My b.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 13:47-50 - New International Version

The Parable of the Net - “Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[bcherod]

The Catholic Church was created way before that.

Here's a letter from 110 A.D. from Ignatius of Antioch where he mentions the Catholic Church.

Just FYI.

Also, in Judaism, Jesus is considered a heretic. Most other religions honor Him in some way, though.


"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."

CHURCH FATHERS: Epistle to the Smyrnaeans (St. Ignatius)

Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.

www.newadvent.org

Wow. I guess my religious upbringing differs greatly from yours and others.

Interpretations of the Bible vary greatly in this thread.

 

[BrianNole777]

Wow. I guess my religious upbringing differs greatly from yours and others.

Interpretations of the Bible vary greatly in this thread.

That letter I linked from Ignatius of Antioch is historical and from 110 A.D.

I thought you would find it interesting.

 

[bcherod]

That letter I linked from Ignatius of Antioch is historical and from 110 A.D.

I thought you would find it interesting.

I do find these things interesting, but also remember, my family immigrated here very early on, and mostly for religious reasons. The MD Catholics, the Huguenots, and those escaping Cromwell.

They all read different Bibles.

Interestingly enough, I was associated with a family briefly that were Plymouth Brethren.

They believe the Darby translation was the most accurate, claiming Darby could translate Aramaic, and he was the only one who could.

One of their main tenets is “the son Is not greater than the father”.

Have you read that?

What would your interpretation be?

 

[BrianNole777]

I do find these things interesting, but also remember, my family immigrated here very early on, and mostly for religious reasons. The MD Catholics, the Huguenots, and those escaping Cromwell.

They all read different Bibles.

Interestingly enough, I was associated with a family briefly that were Plymouth Brethren.

They believe the Darby translation was the most accurate, claiming Darby could translate Aramaic, and he was the only one who could.

One of their main tenets is “the son Is not greater than the father”.

Have you read that?

What would your interpretation be?

Cool history!

My family on both sides came to America in the 1700's. My maternal side still has a letter from a relative that was killed in the Revolutionary War and died in his brother's arms. His name was Sam, I think. His surviving brother wrote the letter.

Regarding that passage, Jesus was trying to assure the apostles before the crucifixion.

Jesus had a human nature as well; greatness could mean a different role since the Father sent the Son into the world to save it. The Father sent the Son into the world so in that sense, the Father is greater than the Son.

I know the Trinity can be complicated.

 

[bdcolt45er]

Incorrect
The term Christian is mentioned in Acts 11:26
Acts was written between 33CE-61CE by Luke. So literally 30 years after the death of Jesus.
The Christianity you refer to is the deathbed conversion of Constantine , st the council of nicea .

I don't think this dating is widely supported. Generally speaking the proposed date for acts start in the 60s. A lot of people like the year 62 because it coincides with Paul's imprisonment. But it is most commonly dated between 60-90, although some suggest it is much later. Mainly because it may be pulling from Josephus. We don't see any external references until the late 2nd century.

When the Christian church was established is highly debatable and dependent on how you define the church.