You don’t exist outside of time and space. The only way your god could know in advance what you are going to do is if the story is already written. You can’t do anything but follow the script - or “God’s plan” if you prefer. Making any other claim is nonsense. You just refuse to accept or even confront that which clearly and directly follows from your own claims.
Now we’re having fun! Just playing this out….What if God chooses to respect our freedom and thereby disregard or selectively ignore some of His own omniscience?
We finally agree on something! Now you just need to work on accepting the whole idea that god is a man made construct. It's why almost every ancient society created one, fear of death, and explaining all the things they didn't understand, and of course control, religion is all about control. It was somewhere around 4th grade at St. Thomas that I started to question all the crazy stuff the nuns were spouting. My parents even kept me after mass one day because I wouldn't mindlessly drone on with the insane recitations during mass. I had the greatest parents, really awesome people, and my dad was the smartest guy I'll ever know........indoctrination from birth is soooooo hard to overcome. It's why people fly planes into buildings and blow up abortion clinics.
As I stated earlier, it doesn't matter whether he disregards or selectively ignores his omniscience. The omniscience IS the problem. It is antithetical to free will by definition.
I would very much prefer that you address the point I made in the post to which you responded. Omniscience and free will are mutually exclusive. By definition. Don't hide behind someone else...explain how you could possess foreknowledge of what will happen, yet those whose actions are foretold could choose to do something else. No mysticism...just a logical explanation.
As expected, you can't do it. There's no debate. Omniscience and free will are mutually exclusive. I already addressed the "outside of time and space" canard. And that last example is nonsense. Omniscience is knowing the car will crash before it leaves the driveway. Free will is choosing to take a different route to work that day and going nowhere near the wall.
So I can defy your god's "see's it all at once" foreknowledge by swerving away from the wall. Which means your god isn't omniscient. Thank you.
Just imagine believe that an omnipotent being came to our planet to establish a religion let alone a church.
Then refute it. Anyone can. You said so. Here it is...
Your response:
Can you do better?
LOL...I realize this makes you profoundly uncomfortable. That's ok. We cling to nonsense even in the face of irrefutable evidence that it IS nonsense.
Ok...you're comfortable with being unable to explain how your own faith can possibly function and that's ok. Just don't ask questions.
What's irrefutably impossible is impossible. Omniscience and free will can't both exist at the same time. Period.
I never ducked a question.
LOL...rejecting organized religion hardly makes one a "dedicated atheist". You need to be told what to believe, and you accept it without question. That works for you. You want it to work for everyone - hence your constant entreaties for others to join you in your acquiescence to human authority.
He also said to remove the rafter from your own eye so you will see clearly how remove the straw from your brothers eye.
Quantum entanglement is hard to understand. Free will directly contradicts omniscience. That's simple.
Wouldn't the state of my soul fall under the purview of my beliefs? Don't. Judge.
I've never said that. I've been a Quaker for 40+ years.
An entity capable of creating a universe would be totally beyond any human comprehension. Prayer might be helpful for some and more power to them but the idea that they can be "answered" is as nonsensical as omniscience and free will coexisting.
I never go to church...I go to meeting most every week. As far as celebrating Christmas or Easter, you're thinking Jehovah's Witness.I see.
How many times do you go to Church in an average month?
I read Quakers don't celebrate Christmas or Easter and many don't consider themselves Christian. What's your view?
BBC - Religions - Christianity: Quakers
The Society of Friends began in England in the 1650s. Quakers believe that there is something of God in everybody. They do not have clergy or rituals and their meetings for worship are often held in silence.www.bbc.co.uk
When will you realize I’m never opening one of your links?God allows evil to happen if we choose it or to bring about a greater good from it.
Here's more info you can read or listen to:
How to Answer the Problem of Evil
The problem of evil is the greatest emotional obstacle to belief in God. It just doesn’t feel like God should let people suffer. If we were God, we think, we wo...www.catholic.com
That explains your religious beliefs perfectly.Probably never...I'm a slow learner.
Ahhh...the BBC. Got it. Next time, go to the source.
