Fascism or Good Policy? -- Now with POLL

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Here's a somewhat sanitized version of what Trump says he'll do.

1. Remove rogue bureaucrats by Executive Order.

2. Clean out corrupt actors in national security and intelligence; overhaul weaponized departments and agencies.

3. Reform FISA courts.

4. Establish a Truth & Reconciliation Commission to declassify docs on deep state spying, censorship and corruption.

5. Crackdown on and press criminal charges against government leakers.

6. Make every Inspector General office independent and physically separated from the departments they oversee.

7. Independent auditing of intelligence system to ensure they are not spying on citizens or political campaigns, or running disinformation campaigns against the American people.

8. Move federal government operations out of DC.

9. Ban federal bureaucrats from taking jobs with the companies they work with and regulate.

10. Term limits constitutional amendment.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

That's what to you said the first time around, right?


https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna52277195

Obama’s ‘insider threat’ crackdown on leaks​

Just under a year and a half after Pfc. Bradley Manning was arrested for one of the greatest unauthorized leaks in American history, President Obama signed an executive order which mandated the creation of an inter-agency task force to weed out potential leaks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-know-about-obamas-war-on-leakers-in-one-faq/

Everything you need to know about Obama’s war on leakers in one FAQ​

By Timothy B. Lee
May 23, 2013 at 11:02 a.m. EDT

There's been a blizzard of news about the Obama administration's crackdown on government officials who leak classified information to the media. Last week we learned that the government seized the phone records of more than 100 Associated Press journalists. This week we learned that the government had accused (though not charged) journalist James Rosen with a crime for accepting classified information from a source, and that the government also obtained phone records for Rosen's parents.

The revelations are coming so fast that it's hard to keep the characters, cases and issues straight.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/obamas-crackdown-whistleblowers/

Obama’s Crackdown on Whistleblowers​

The NSA Four reveal how a toxic mix of cronyism and fraud blinded the agency before 9/11.​

• MARCH 26, 2013

In the annals of national security, the Obama administration will long be remembered for its unprecedented crackdown on whistleblowers. Since 2009, it has employed the World War I–era Espionage Act a record six times to prosecute government officials suspected of leaking classified information. The latest example is John Kiriakou, a former CIA officer serving a thirty-month term in federal prison for publicly identifying an intelligence operative involved in torture. It’s a pattern: the whistleblowers are punished, sometimes severely, while the perpetrators of the crimes they expose remain free.

I can't answer for Flick, but I and most lefties were highly critical of Obama for that.

How about you?

 

[Masterprime]

That's what to you said the first time around, right?


https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna52277195

Obama’s ‘insider threat’ crackdown on leaks​

Just under a year and a half after Pfc. Bradley Manning was arrested for one of the greatest unauthorized leaks in American history, President Obama signed an executive order which mandated the creation of an inter-agency task force to weed out potential leaks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-know-about-obamas-war-on-leakers-in-one-faq/

Everything you need to know about Obama’s war on leakers in one FAQ​

By Timothy B. Lee
May 23, 2013 at 11:02 a.m. EDT

There's been a blizzard of news about the Obama administration's crackdown on government officials who leak classified information to the media. Last week we learned that the government seized the phone records of more than 100 Associated Press journalists. This week we learned that the government had accused (though not charged) journalist James Rosen with a crime for accepting classified information from a source, and that the government also obtained phone records for Rosen's parents.

The revelations are coming so fast that it's hard to keep the characters, cases and issues straight.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/obamas-crackdown-whistleblowers/

Obama’s Crackdown on Whistleblowers​

The NSA Four reveal how a toxic mix of cronyism and fraud blinded the agency before 9/11.​

• MARCH 26, 2013

In the annals of national security, the Obama administration will long be remembered for its unprecedented crackdown on whistleblowers. Since 2009, it has employed the World War I–era Espionage Act a record six times to prosecute government officials suspected of leaking classified information. The latest example is John Kiriakou, a former CIA officer serving a thirty-month term in federal prison for publicly identifying an intelligence operative involved in torture. It’s a pattern: the whistleblowers are punished, sometimes severely, while the perpetrators of the crimes they expose remain free.

 

[artradley]

Are we supposed to start believing politicians when they tell us what they going to do when they get into office now?

He is telling us who he is.

 

[seminole97]

Neat deflection from 12 years ago.

Deflection?
This is progression.

I'm looking more forward to seeing the emails of the Censorship Industrial Complex. We've only seen one side of comms from just one social media company. There's a lot more to that squid.

Definitely need to reform the FISA court too. We had an FBI lawyer falsify evidence submitted to the FISA to gain a warrant to spy on a political campaign. We have to fix that, and probation for the offense is a joke.

 

[joelbc1]

God needs to call him home or send him to h3ll...

God wants nothing to do with him...l

 

[torbee]

I was just pointing out that not everything he said was crazy fascism. Most of it but not all. Lol

I would submit that one thing fascism has in common with pregnancy is no once can be just a little bit fascist.

 

[Sharky1203]

I can't stand the guy. But all of it needs to be done.

 

[coloradonoles]

You support a guy who wants to ignore the constitution.

 

[ICHawk-I]

You are more anti-American it appears.....

What a thoughtful comeback to defend your comment. You sure put me in my place by calling me a name. I feel for those around you if that is how you disagree with people.

 

[goldmom]

It sounds even better in the original German.

😂 I don’t speak Deutsch but I did laugh.

 

[Titanhawk2]

If this thread generates enough interest, I plan to add a poll on each of Trump's 10 planned changes.

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I'd be for any of them that enforce current law, and removal of any non-elected bureaucrat

 

[goldmom]

I’m in favor of term limits and I do think that moving some Federal offices out of DC isn’t a bad thing either.
The rest of those are worded using a pretty slippery slope IMO and I left them alone.

 

[torbee]

Nice self portrait.

 

[Jim Grizzly]

I think it is hilarious and sad when a politician wants to decentralize our government and make sure it is doing the work of the people and not for the bureaucracy, the left calls it "anti-American". Maybe the left should read our Constitution again.

You should read it once.

 

[ICHawk-I]

You voted for an invalid who is being sued in the Supreme Court by a state for major first ammendment violations. You are the party of fascism but you're too stupid to recognize the obvious.

Ummmm... yeah... I don't think bringing up mental acuity and current court cases is a great angle to take here to make your point. Well, I guess if your point is to highlight hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness, then point made loud and clear.

 

[Scruddy]

Ummmm... yeah... I don't think bringing up mental acuity and current court cases is a great angle to take here to make your point. Well, I guess if your point is to highlight hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness, then point made loud and clear.

Cool story, champ.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Are we supposed to start believing politicians when they tell us what they going to do when they get into office now?

If we don't take the BAD things they say seriously, shame on us.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I think it is hilarious and sad when a politician wants to decentralize our government and make sure it is doing the work of the people and not for the bureaucracy, the left calls it "anti-American". Maybe the left should read our Constitution again.

You apparently believe that Trump and the Rs want government to be doing the work of the people. Is there any evidence to support that?

If you read his 10 points, NONE of them are about doing the work of the people. Several of them sound perfectly reasonable to me, in principle, but Trump doesn't mean them to make things better. He means them to clear out opposition to his rule.

As Trump's first term demonstrated, he's not against corruption or weaponizing agencies. He just wants to have his own people benefit and wield the weapons

 

[ICHawk-I]

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Cool story, champ.

Your point? Trump just confused Haley for Pelosi on J6.

Your willful ignorance is showing!

At least I can admit neither guy has the wits needed for the next 4 years and neither should be on the ballot, but I can't do anything about, except vote for the guy least likely to make a bigger mess of America.

 

[Finance85]

Not authoritarianism. He's telling us EXACTLY what he wants to do. HE is the corruption. He is the abuse of power.

Nearly everything on that list is within the scope of the executive office. A few are ridiculous however.

 

[Scruddy]

Your point? Trump just confused Haley for Pelosi on J6.

Your willful ignorance is showing!

At least I can admit neither guy has the wits needed for the next 4 years and neither should be on the ballot, but I can't do anything about, except vote for the guy least likely to make a bigger mess of America.

Joe biden has done nothing but make a mess of America including a record 6 to 10 million illegal aliens within our borders. I agree that neither would be my choice for the Whitehouse but joe biden can't formulate a sentence. Example # 1,839,993:

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Nearly everything on that list is within the scope of the executive office. A few are ridiculous however.

Which ones do you find ridiculous? I think 7 of the 10 have merit. I dislike 2 and don't care about a 3rd.

That said, I have a hard time supporting any of them when Trump is pushing them, because I don't trust that he will actually curb corruption or de-weaponize agencies, or reign in intelligence/security overreach. Instead, I'm pretty convinced he just wants to implement his own weaponization and corrupt schemes.

 

[HawCory]

Which ones do you find ridiculous? I think 7 of the 10 have merit. I dislike 2 and don't care about a 3rd.

That said, I have a hard time supporting any of them when Trump is pushing them, because I don't trust that he will actually curb corruption or de-weaponize agencies, or reign in intelligence/security overreach. Instead, I'm pretty convinced he just wants to implement his own weaponization and corrupt schemes.

I'm kind of with you on this.

At a glance, there isn't anything on there that would keep me awake at night worrying about Fascism, but the man who put forth the list lost the benefit of the doubt, in my eyes, years before he ever took office.

 

[seminole97]

I would submit that one thing fascism has in common with pregnancy is no once can be just a little bit fascist.

Can’t just have snappy uniforms and leave it at that?