Federal judge hands Musk’s DOGE a win on data access at 3 agencies

[Hawkman34]

“All you Dems claimed the border was secure”…. No we didn’t…
The border cost Joe the election….BUT it in the responsibility of Congress to secure the border. Congress had a plan back when Junior was President that was sunk by 30 MAGA Republicans…and they have delayed and stalled any meaningful immigration reform ever since…including plans forwarded by their own. But make no mistake here… this is Congresses job…not the President’s job.

Wrong on all fronts. Yes, you Dems most certainly did say the border was secure the last 4 years. Do you actually believe what you type? Go back and watch all the times your leaders said so the last 4 years.

And, there was no reform needed to ever keep the border secure. Good grief. Trump kept it secure using current immigration laws. Lets just be honest.....the Dems never liked the current laws in place and wanted them changed because they wanted MORE immigration. It never had anything to do with with border security.

Now, I do agree with one thing, it should not take 10 years for an honest person looking to immigrate here to get approved. That, you can fix. But don't fake border security as the reason. And, you claim it is up to Congress to do that job, but you had zero complaint when Biden used EO to change the border.

 

[Hawkman34]

You just make shit up. That's not what you said. We're at the lying portion of your schtick now.

You claimed I am affiliated with a party. Just another of many ignorant statements you make.

Please, between the two of us I am the only one who is being honest.

You are an extreme lib and you know it. Good grief.....who do you think you are fooling?

Look, you are one of the most angry liberals on this board. Now, I am going to assume that you are much older then I am......and maybe that has something to do with your views. But, your anger doesn't allow you to even try an engage in an honest way.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

“Gay Pete”? Why Sully, why do you have to be such an asshole? All the goddamn time….typical asshole
MAGA jerk….wht is your criteria for “the worst cabinet member ever”?

 

[RileyHawk]

Please, between the two of us I am the only one who is being honest.

You are an extreme lib and you know it. Good grief.....who do you think you are fooling?

Look, you are one of the most angry liberals on this board. Now, I am going to assume that you are much older then I am......and maybe that has something to do with your views. But, your anger doesn't allow you to even try an engage in an honest way.

Do you ever tire of being a buffoon?

I would say you couldn't be more wrong but you've already shown that you can be.

 

[Hawkman34]

No. You're wrong.

Are you now saying the President has line item veto power and that is what is being used here? I just want to be sure what level of idiocy you're at now.

Tell me where I am wrong. Specifically. I will wait.

 

[Hawkman34]

They have no "auditors" involved.

Been pointed out to you in dozens of posts already.

No, you claim these folks are not performing an audit. They are, and you simply do not like that.

 

[Hawkman34]

I posted the same for you a half dozen times.

Thought maybe a former Cabinet secretary would help you understand here.
Guess not.

Please, if that is the best you can do then you have lost.

 

[Joes Place]

No, you claim these folks are not performing an audit.

They are not.

They have no "auditors", nor have they generated a single "audit report".
Do you know what one of those looks like?

HINT: It is NOT a "Tweet".

 

[Joes Place]

Please, if that is the best you can do

Simply posted what you linked. Which is NOT what you stated.

 

[Hawkman34]

Someone doesn't know what "discretionary budgetary authority" is.

Well, I didn't want to call you out on that......but thanks for doing that for me.

 

[Hawkman34]

For Cause.

And with notification to Congress, which has the ultimate oversight.

NONE of that was followed here, which is statutory law.

First, he claims he has cause. And, I already pointed out the 30 day notice as a possible issue....but you must not read.

 

[Joes Place]

First, he claims he has cause.

No cause was provided to Congress, which is statutorily required.

A "claim" of cause is NOT cause.

 

[Hawkman34]

Tells us that he could see what was coming.

Yes, he knew they would be exposed and found out. LOL!! I didn't see Trump pardoning his sons.....whom the Dems have claimed are no better then Hunter.

 

[Hawkman34]

Do you ever tire of being a buffoon?

I would say you couldn't be more wrong but you've already shown that you can be.

When all you have left is name calling.....then you have lost and been exposed.

 

[Joes Place]

"There are four people remaining over there currently trying to do the work of 15 people"

What could possibly go wrong???

 

[Hawkman34]

They are not.

They have no "auditors", nor have they generated a single "audit report".
Do you know what one of those looks like?

HINT: It is NOT a "Tweet".

Yes, I actually do. And they come in many different formats. But, you would not understand that apparently. And see, they are in the discovery phase right now. The finalized report / audit will come later. It is amazing how utterly triggered Trump has you people.

 

[Joes Place]

"Well, I'm just hearing about it"


Musk "doesn't run DOGE", but dozens of his currently company employees "just happen to be there"...

 

[Joes Place]

Yes, I actually do. And they come in many different formats.

Then you ought to recognize that DOGE has not release a SINGLE audit report, have they?

 

[Hawkman34]

No cause was provided to Congress, which is statutorily required.

A "claim" of cause is NOT cause.

I guess we will see where that lands.......I don't see anyone being forced back into their positions by the courts due to that requirement.

 

[Joes Place]

 

[Joes Place]

I guess we will see where that lands

Seems like you've agreed that NO CAUSE has yet been provided.

 

[Hawkman34]

Then you ought to recognize that DOGE has not release a SINGLE audit report, have they?

You clearly do not understand the difference between the discovery phases of an audit and the time frame to compile and complete the final audit report....but you do you.

 

[Hawkman34]

Seems like you've agreed that NO CAUSE has yet been provided.

No, I said he claims he has cause......we shall see if the 30 day notice holds up and some legal experts say it won't.

 

[Joes Place]

God seems angry...

 

[Joes Place]

No, I said he claims he has cause.

Which is NOT a legal defensive position to fire them.

He HAS TO GIVE CAUSE to do it.

 

[Joes Place]

WINNER:

 

[RileyHawk]

Tell me where I am wrong. Specifically. I will wait.

The line item veto is not a lawful measure afforded the President.

Can't wait to see how you try to spin this and end up looking even more foolish.

 

[RileyHawk]

No, you claim these folks are not performing an audit. They are, and you simply do not like that.

What are their qualifications as auditors?

 

[RileyHawk]

First, he claims he has cause. And, I already pointed out the 30 day notice as a possible issue....but you must not read.

What is the cause?

 

[Joes Place]

Here's what else a judge said

 

[RileyHawk]

When all you have left is name calling.....then you have lost and been exposed.

Lol - it's an apt observation that you can't refute.

 

[RileyHawk]

Yes, I actually do. And they come in many different formats. But, you would not understand that apparently. And see, they are in the discovery phase right now. The finalized report / audit will come later. It is amazing how utterly triggered Trump has you people.

Who will be directing and authoring that final report and what is their qualification?

 

[Joes Place]

Who will be directing and authoring that final report and what is their qualification?

And when will Congress see is, so they (and Congressional Committees) can formally act on it?

 

[Hawkman34]

Which is NOT a legal defensive position to fire them.

He HAS TO GIVE CAUSE to do it.

Again, lets see how this plays out. I still don't see any AG's being sent back to work...do you?

 

[Hawkman34]

The line item veto is not a lawful measure afforded the President.

Can't wait to see how you try to spin this and end up looking even more foolish.

Again, can you read?

The current ruling from a Federal Judge says he has the ability to do this.

PLUS - The Line Item Veto Act of 1996 says was amended so the ICA “would authorize the President to be able to cancel in whole any dollar amount of discretionary budget authority, any item of new direct spending, or any limited tax benefit signed into law.” Such moves required certain conditions, including reducing the federal budget deficit and not impairing “essential Government functions” or causing “harm” to “the national interest.” Congress could override a spending cancellation by the president using an expedited process. About the only thing I see that might apply to someone against this is to say that this might cause harm to our national interest. I have not see proof of this with what he has stopped.....but knock yourself out.

 

[Hawkman34]

What are their qualifications as auditors?

Good enough that the president signed off on them.

 

[Hawkman34]

What is the cause?

I never said I knew what they were. I am not in those discussion. I only said that HE says he has cause. Why have they not been reinstated if this move is illegal? Can you tell me that?

 

[Hawkman34]

Lol - it's an apt observation that you can't refute.

You have refuted it for me. LOL!

 

[RileyHawk]

Again, can you read?

The current ruling from a Federal Judge says he has the ability to do this.

PLUS - The Line Item Veto Act of 1996 says was amended so the ICA “would authorize the President to be able to cancel in whole any dollar amount of discretionary budget authority, any item of new direct spending, or any limited tax benefit signed into law.” Such moves required certain conditions, including reducing the federal budget deficit and not impairing “essential Government functions” or causing “harm” to “the national interest.” Congress could override a spending cancellation by the president using an expedited process. About the only thing I see that might apply to someone against this is to say that this might cause harm to our national interest. I have not see proof of this with what he has stopped.....but knock yourself out.

It's hard to believe how ignorant you are.

Again, just to be very definitive, are you saying a President has line item veto authority by law? Yes or no.

 

[Hawkman34]

Who will be directing and authoring that final report and what is their qualification?

The DOGE team. And, if the President judges them qualified, then I am fine with that. I can tell you that they are more qualified then this Biden appointee who was in charge of hazardous materials for the US. And, I am sure you were totally on board with this appointment. How did he even pass a low level background check when he had a history of this?

LINK - Biden appointee fired for history of theft