Ferentz & Recruiting...

[iowalaw]

Can someone please tell me what sending a bunch of guys offers in Georgia has to do with good recruiting? Who cares about Georgia? We used to have a pipeline in Ohio and Pennsylvania. We would get guys from Florida and Texas all the time. Is sending offers to Georgia kids who have no intent on committing to Iowa some sort of secret recruiting recipe?

 

[cohawk]

Can someone please tell me what sending a bunch of guys offers in Georgia has to do with good recruiting? Who cares about Georgia? We used to have a pipeline in Ohio and Pennsylvania. We would get guys from Florida and Texas all the time. Is sending offers to Georgia kids who have no intent on committing to Iowa some sort of secret recruiting recipe?

Gee I don't know why we recruit Georgia. Perhaps some really good players come out of that state. You might want to think before you post.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

then how did KF have 3 straight top 10 finishes with 50th thru 70th rated classes?

You CAN win every once and a while with 2-3 star talent. However, more times than not 4-5 stars win. I am not saying Iowa can get a class full of those, but I do believe we can get primarily 3-4 star guys. That would correlate in general to 2-3 more wins on average IMO.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

why should Barta be fired, he just Hired Heller who in his 1st season guided the Baseball team to its 1st BT Tournament then in year 2 guided the team to its 1st NCAA Regional win since 1972.
he also hired Fran who just guided the mens BB Team to its 1st NCAA win since what 2002-2001. {to lazy to look it up.

face it some are just pissed because he won't fire KF so it plain to see they want Barta fired as well.

He also hired Todd Lickliter, and Marla Looper.

 

[AirForceChiefO]

I guess we recruit Georgia hard, because that is where Seth Wallace supposedly has contacts. I doubt that we get much out of his contacts. Kirk has proven he can't recruit effectively anywhere else the last several years. I truly hope this is the end of the KF time at Iowa. He was a wonderful Coach his first few years. Then he rested on his laurals. Yes, you do hold the General accountable.

 

[Hawkirish]

Can someone please tell me what sending a bunch of guys offers in Georgia has to do with good recruiting? Who cares about Georgia? We used to have a pipeline in Ohio and Pennsylvania. We would get guys from Florida and Texas all the time. Is sending offers to Georgia kids who have no intent on committing to Iowa some sort of secret recruiting recipe?

 

[Calhill]

why should Barta be fired, he just Hired Heller who in his 1st season guided the Baseball team to its 1st BT Tournament then in year 2 guided the team to its 1st NCAA Regional win since 1972.
he also hired Fran who just guided the mens BB Team to its 1st NCAA win since what 2002-2001. {to lazy to look it up.

face it some are just pissed because he won't fire KF so it plain to see they want Barta fired as well.

Ok I'll bite. So Barta has ONE NCAA win in bball, ONE tourney invite in baseball, and a trainwreck in football who he has publicly supported KF and gave a 75% buyout. A trainwreck ongoing 6 years now. I would like to understand why this average AD would even have a job? The more I think about this, the worse it becomes.

Sorry just not buying it. Barta needs to go. The guy has made plenty of money while being below average or the worst in the Big Ten vs his peers.

 

[Sterling_Wildcat]

Go away troll. 24 posts = nothing but a troll

That's Kilroy back in action...he's already calling other posters names.

 

[doughudd]

Can someone please tell me what sending a bunch of guys offers in Georgia has to do with good recruiting? Who cares about Georgia? We used to have a pipeline in Ohio and Pennsylvania. We would get guys from Florida and Texas all the time. Is sending offers to Georgia kids who have no intent on committing to Iowa some sort of secret recruiting recipe?

LOL this from the poster that thinks spending more on recruiting means out hustling others. JFC

 

[thawk1]

Can someone please tell me what sending a bunch of guys offers in Georgia has to do with good recruiting? Who cares about Georgia? We used to have a pipeline in Ohio and Pennsylvania. We would get guys from Florida and Texas all the time. Is sending offers to Georgia kids who have no intent on committing to Iowa some sort of secret recruiting recipe?

they won't commit to IA if they don't offer or bother to recruit them. with Wallace as the new RC the recruiting landscape has expanded,

the 2015 recruiting class IA received a commitment from a TX top 100 player in WR Smith, Soup never did that and that is why is no longer on the staff, recruiting is slowly under the new staff is getting better, 2014 class IA got a 4* QB out of Michigan. the 2015 class much maligned BF got 4* Daniels to pick IA over O$U and Alabama, sorry but the brother card can't be used as he will be here for 3 years without his brother being on the team if he RS's as is expected. the 2016 class is just getting started,

again you can't get them to commit if you don't offer. but then again you are totally against the new staff succeeding in recruiting.

 

[frydaze]

Ok I'll bite. So Barta has ONE NCAA win in bball, ONE tourney invite in baseball, and a trainwreck in football who he has publicly supported KF and gave a 75% buyout. A trainwreck ongoing 6 years now. I would like to understand why this average AD would even have a job? The more I think about this, the worse it becomes.

Sorry just not buying it. Barta needs to go. The guy has made plenty of money while being below average or the worst in the Big Ten vs his peers.

I completely agree on Barta. He made a miserable hire in Lickliter that cost us a 4-year buyout. He gave out one of the absolute worst contracts in sports history because of the 75% buyout (unheard of) to Ferentz. Very very average/mediocre AD.

Barta needs to go and Ferentz right behind him and start fresh.

 

[cohawk]

Ok I'll bite. So Barta has ONE NCAA win in bball, ONE tourney invite in baseball, and a trainwreck in football who he has publicly supported KF and gave a 75% buyout. A trainwreck ongoing 6 years now. I would like to understand why this average AD would even have a job? The more I think about this, the worse it becomes.

Sorry just not buying it. Barta needs to go. The guy has made plenty of money while being below average or the worst in the Big Ten vs his peers.

Many who want Barta gone dont understand the responsibilities of the AD. While you certainly point out some of the things he is responsible for there is much more to the jib than that. For example, he played s pivotal role in the new FB facilities. His job is to raise money and donations more than anything else. The athletic department is healthy and makes money. Its highly unlikely they will let him go given the positive financial situation.

 

[iowalaw]

That would be fantastic if Seth Wallace has mega contacts in Georgia. The cold fact is, Seth Wallace is a graduate of snow white Coe College, in small town Iowa. Prior to that, his only other experience was at Lake Forest, a couple hours from Coe. These tiny schools are not exactly the background one with major urban recruiting connections typically comes from. This is not Seth's fault...it is the head coach's fault, for seeing fit to hand over recruiting duties at a major Division 1 school to someone with Seth's background.

I guess we recruit Georgia hard, because that is where Seth Wallace supposedly has contacts. I doubt that we get much out of his contacts. Kirk has proven he can't recruit effectively anywhere else the last several years. I truly hope this is the end of the KF time at Iowa. He was a wonderful Coach his first few years. Then he rested on his laurals. Yes, you do hold the General accountable.

 

[SigMaintHawk]

That would be fantastic if Seth Wallace has mega contacts in Georgia. The cold fact is, Seth Wallace is a graduate of snow white Coe College, in small town Iowa. Prior to that, his only other experience was at Lake Forest, a couple hours from Coe. These tiny schools are not exactly the background one with major urban recruiting connections typically comes from. This is not Seth's fault...it is the head coach's fault, for seeing fit to hand over recruiting duties at a major Division 1 school to someone with Seth's background.

He has contacts in Georgia from his time as a coach at Valdosta State. He returned to the Iowa staff after serving as the DC for 3 years at Valdosta State. He recruited kids from major programs throughout the state and surrounding areas. He obviously was not recruiting the studs at these high schools but he did develop relationships with the coaches at those programs by recruiting the kids that fit at a school like Val State. He is using these connections to help Iowa gain the top talent at those many programs in Georgia. Will it work? I don't know. The point is he did have and currently does have connections in Georgia

 

[doughudd]

Any more "cold facts" you'd care to throw out?

That would be fantastic if Seth Wallace has mega contacts in Georgia. The cold fact is, Seth Wallace is a graduate of snow white Coe College, in small town Iowa. Prior to that, his only other experience was at Lake Forest, a couple hours from Coe. These tiny schools are not exactly the background one with major urban recruiting connections typically comes from. This is not Seth's fault...it is the head coach's fault, for seeing fit to hand over recruiting duties at a major Division 1 school to someone with Seth's background.

 

[thawk1]

Woods has also turned his attention to Georgia as WR coach Kennedy and Davis are recruiting TX, Woods is still recruiting TX but his main focus is in the SEC country. a area rich in talent. getting 1 or 2 players out of GA in this class would be huge.
getting Smith out of TX who had offers from TCU and TT was a huge get, Ogwo chose IA over BT team Rutgers out of TX, LB Garbutt chose IA over Nebraska and SEC Missouri, the old staff would not have been able to that let alone even recruit them. recruiting as picked in baby steps, as the new staff has been put together to recruit for IA over a 3 year period,

in the 2014 class IA signed a 4* QB. a step forward to getting skill players, in a couple weeks there will be a 4* RB visiting, there are also some highly regarded players that will be visiting.

 

[Joe Chap]

Woods has also turned his attention to Georgia as WR coach Kennedy and Davis are recruiting TX, Woods is still recruiting TX but his main focus is in the SEC country. a area rich in talent. getting 1 or 2 players out of GA in this class would be huge.
getting Smith out of TX who had offers from TCU and TT was a huge get, Ogwo chose IA over BT team Rutgers out of TX, LB Garbutt chose IA over Nebraska and SEC Missouri, the old staff would not have been able to that let alone even recruit them. recruiting as picked in baby steps, as the new staff has been put together to recruit for IA over a 3 year period,

in the 2014 class IA signed a 4* QB. a step forward to getting skill players, in a couple weeks there will be a 4* RB visiting, there are also some highly regarded players that will be visiting.

Simple fact, Garbutt was dropped, IA was the backup plan.

 

[thawk1]

Simple fact, Garbutt was dropped, IA was the backup plan.

in your dreams husker fan, but that's how works with husker fans when IA beats out Nebraska for a recruit isn't it,

whats the excuse for losing Ott and Bazata the #2 and #3 instate players? in their respective classes.

 

[Joe Chap]

in your dreams husker fan, but that's how works with husker fans when IA beats out Nebraska for a recruit isn't it,

whats the excuse for losing Ott and Bazata the #2 and #3 instate players? in their respective classes.

You'll have to take that up with Pelini, he didn't offer and was shown the door! What's your excuse with Raridon?

 

[cohawk]

That would be fantastic if Seth Wallace has mega contacts in Georgia. The cold fact is, Seth Wallace is a graduate of snow white Coe College, in small town Iowa. Prior to that, his only other experience was at Lake Forest, a couple hours from Coe. These tiny schools are not exactly the background one with major urban recruiting connections typically comes from. This is not Seth's fault...it is the head coach's fault, for seeing fit to hand over recruiting duties at a major Division 1 school to someone with Seth's background.

What do you base this statement on? Please provide facts.

If you know how to build relationships and sell you can recruit. With your logic Schellenberger shouldn't have been able to keep the inner city Miami kids home but he did.

The things some of you say is so easy to discredit and pick apart

 

[Calhill]

Many who want Barta gone dont understand the responsibilities of the AD. While you certainly point out some of the things he is responsible for there is much more to the jib than that. For example, he played s pivotal role in the new FB facilities. His job is to raise money and donations more than anything else. The athletic department is healthy and makes money. Its highly unlikely they will let him go given the positive financial situation.

That financial situation is changing and the big money maker aka football is about ready to tip.

Raising money for IA sports is easy. Loyal fans and no competition. I know that IA has big money in donations outside of Barta. I get calls all the time. He doesn't come close to owning that dutie. Maybe some but not the general operations.

I judge an AD on overall sports health, marketing (fat zero) coaching hires and general national relevance (another zero) This is the Big Ten. Barta isn't pulling his weight. If you live outside of IA which I do, nobody cares or even knows IA right now. Ask about Wisky, MSU, Neb and they know. The reason I mention these schools is because I would have considered them the same level. That has now passed.

Always excuses for the fat cats. IA is in major problems. As an alumn and and avid fan I wish this wasn't the case. Both these clowns have made good money the last 8 years. That's a good enough trial run for me.

 

[cohawk]

That financial situation is changing and the big money maker aka football is about ready to tip.

Raising money for IA sports is easy. Loyal fans and no competition. I know that IA has big money in donations outside of Barta. I get calls all the time. He doesn't come close to owning that dutie. Maybe some but not the general operations.

I judge an AD on overall sports health, marketing (fat zero) coaching hires and general national relevance (another zero) This is the Big Ten. Barta isn't pulling his weight. If you live outside of IA which I do, nobody cares or even knows IA right now. Ask about Wisky, MSU, Neb and they know. The reason I mention these schools is because I would have considered them the same level. That has now passed.

Always excuses for the fat cats. IA is in major problems. As an alumn and and avid fan I wish this wasn't the case. Both these clowns have made good money the last 8 years. That's a good enough trial run for me.

You can judge him however you want. It doesn't mean you have any idea what you are talking about. The fact that you state raising money is easy demostrates how little you know. Getting seven figure gifts isn't easy. There is a reason that job pays what it does.

 

[Calhill]

You can judge him however you want. It doesn't mean you have any idea what you are talking about. The fact that you state raising money is easy demostrates how little you know. Getting seven figure gifts isn't easy. There is a reason that job pays what it does.

Always comes to attacking the poster. Never fails. I do know what I'm talking about. Sorry to disappoint you. ✌️

 

[cohawk]

Always comes to attacking the poster. Never fails. I do know what I'm talking about. Sorry to disappoint you. ✌️

Actually you really don't know what you after taking about which is why I pointed it out. You clearly fail to understand what AD does as a whole. Raising money isn't easy. If it were they would have some kid right out of college hitting the circuit.

 

[Calhill]

Actually you really don't know what you after taking about which is why I pointed it out. You clearly fail to understand what AD does as a whole. Raising money isn't easy. If it were they would have some kid right out of college hitting the circuit.

Thanks for the clarification Gary. Looking forward to continued success in your non athletic job performance.

 

[thawk1]

You'll have to take that up with Pelini, he didn't offer and was shown the door! What's your excuse with Raridon?

Raridon is a Nebraska legacy, you won't find many on this board complaining about him going to Nebraska, and your NEW Coach did indeed recruit Graham as he was originally his committed recruit, so yes Garbutt chose IA over Nebraska, just like he chose IA over SEC East Champion Missouri. IA was never a fall back school.

 

[Joe Chap]

Raridon is a Nebraska legacy, you won't find many on this board complaining about him going to Nebraska, and your NEW Coach did indeed recruit Graham as he was originally his committed recruit, so yes Garbutt chose IA over Nebraska, just like he chose IA over SEC East Champion Missouri. IA was never a fall back school.

Glad you look at it that way, as usual, but both Missouri and our NEW staff did move on from Garbutt, that's why you got him at the last minute, his fall back plan!

 

[thawk1]

Glad you look at it that way, as usual, but both Missouri and our NEW staff did move on from Garbutt, that's why you got him at the last minute, his fall back plan!

now you know what the Missouri staff does or not do, Missouri was never in on him till AFTER he decommitted from Oregon St, so I doubt they backed off right after offering, chap you keep telling your self that if it makes you feel better.

 

[thawk1]

Thanks for the clarification Gary. Looking forward to continued success in your non athletic job performance.

Cahill you are calling his hiring of Heller a complete FAIL? or how about Fran another complete FAIL, have you been paying attention to the improvements in the other sports?

 

[Joe Chap]

now you know what the Missouri staff does or not do, Missouri was never in on him till AFTER he decommitted from Oregon St, so I doubt they backed off right after offering, chap you keep telling your self that if it makes you feel better.

I feel good because I don't have to try and float a shipwreck like you do, thank God.

 

[cohawk]

Thanks for the clarification Gary. Looking forward to continued success in your non athletic job performance.

You can always tell when a person cant defend the position they have taken. This post is a prime example of that.

 

[Calhill]

You can always tell when a person cant defend the position they have taken. This post is a prime example of that.

Defending? My points were clearly made and gave reasoning for my disappointment in his performance. Now the Office of Civil Rights are investigating for sexual discrimination:

http://dmreg.co/1FUlItL

Please keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about though.

 

[Calhill]

Cahill you are calling his hiring of Heller a complete FAIL? or how about Fran another complete FAIL, have you been paying attention to the improvements in the other sports?

His hiring of Fran and Heller have been pretty good actually.

 

[thawk1]

Defending? My points were clearly made and gave reasoning for my disappointment in his performance. Now the Office of Civil Rights are investigating for sexual discrimination:

http://dmreg.co/1FUlItL

Please keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about though.

OK I will there is a lot involved in running a multi million dollar business and KF is responsible for bringing over 100 MILLION Dollars in revenues to the University and Barta plays a big role in bring in close to another 300 Million a year in donation, and to the poster that said Big Donors are losing their grip need to get a grip. to get one of those luxury boxes the minimum is $100,000 DOLLARS per year. that's not something any AD is going to ignore.

the big money for a institution like Iowa is in Land Grants which exceeds $1 Billion, athletic revenue is chump change, this is why Rutgers and Maryland were added it was the Land Grant monies they add to the conference as that money is pooled the split 15 ways 14 schools get a equal share and the BT office keeps a share for operating expenses. go back to your penny operation and stay there.

 

[100yearscounting]

There are a few different factors at play there. He hit the lottery with a few generational talents that were lowly rated yet made major impacts in Sanders, Greenway, Clark, and Gallery. Its been over a decade latter and when we bring in lower rated players people still bring up those names. Those type of players haven't happened again and its unlikely we will experience another Clark or Sanders.

The other thing that people fail to remember is that it wasn't Iowa winning through KF's sheer will. KF also had a far superior staff during that time. When KF came in himself with a top notch staff that was committed to winning and moving on to bigger things: Norm Parker, Bielema, Philbin, Aiken, Jackson, even KOK. His more recent choices seem like yes men that won't rock the boat.

In 2009 KF had 2 and 3 star players (Stanzi, DJK, McNutt, Angerer, Eads, Spivaey) that were again top ten and won the Orange Bowl following the season. Oh and that was without several of the coaches that delivered the results from 2002-2004.

 

[GarryO37]

I feel good because I don't have to try and float a shipwreck like you do, thank God.

Well... It's a little early to tell don't you think? Could be that Riley was a homerun, or just a place holder for another coach in the not too distant future. I know the hire wasn't too popular at first. Time will tell I guess.

 

[thawk1]

Edds was a TE that was switched to LEO, strange how that worked out, Ballard was a TE that KF switched to DE the moved him to DT. Roth another player that KF switched from LB to DE and look at how that turned out, recently he took Reiff from SD and moved him from DE to LT and he turned out just fine by being drafted in the 1st rnd as a RSJR.

Scherff was a lowly rated player out of IA that just was named the outland trophy winner and was the #5 pick in the draft. Hitchen was lowly ranked RB who ended being moved to LB and ended up a 4th round pick.

who will be the next recruit to do this who knows, Boettger the new tackle was a QB for 3 years then moved to TE/DE and ended up a 1st All State DE, and was a starter on his HS BB team, when he came in was to be a TE, now he is a Tackle it will be interesting to see how he turns out, as for the incoming FR the 3 WR's are being talked about as for players to make a push for playing time.

TX top 100 Smith
TX Ogwo a JR Olympic Sprinter
FLA Falconer who as a JR caught 55 passes for 714 yards and 5 TD's then as a SR caught just 53 passes for 951 yards and 7 TD's this while splitting catches with his teammate who committed to Boise ST.

that is not polishing a turd nor is it sugar coating, those are the facts. IA needed game breakers at the WR position and went out and got them from 2 talent rich states that produce top Skill players, even if they RS those are/will be the ones ready to step in for these 3 SR's

Smith the teams leading in yards
Hillyer
Stone a JUCO transfer from IWCC.

PS Kennedy in his 1st year as the new WR coach was the leading recruiter for both Smith and Ogwo. so to make any assumption on the ability of the NEW coaches at this time borders on insanity.

 

[Calhill]

OK I will there is a lot involved in running a multi million dollar business and KF is responsible for bringing over 100 MILLION Dollars in revenues to the University and Barta plays a big role in bring in close to another 300 Million a year in donation, and to the poster that said Big Donors are losing their grip need to get a grip. to get one of those luxury boxes the minimum is $100,000 DOLLARS per year. that's not something any AD is going to ignore.

the big money for a institution like Iowa is in Land Grants which exceeds $1 Billion, athletic revenue is chump change, this is why Rutgers and Maryland were added it was the Land Grant monies they add to the conference as that money is pooled the split 15 ways 14 schools get a equal share and the BT office keeps a share for operating expenses. go back to your penny operation and stay there.

Everything you just mentioned, all ADs and HC have the same responsibility across the country. It's not a GB or KF pedistal looking down thing.

Penny operation....Might want to stay away from slander. Makes you look inferior. You also don't know me, let's stick to the subject.

 

[ft254]

LOL this from the poster that thinks spending more on recruiting means out hustling others. JFC

Sending offers does not cost money. Physically pursuing recruits does. I have my suspicions that this staff pursues the easy route, hence we end up with the level of recruits we are accustomed to getting based on recruiting class rankings.

 

[Hawk in SEC Country]

I guess we recruit Georgia hard, because that is where Seth Wallace supposedly has contacts. I doubt that we get much out of his contacts. Kirk has proven he can't recruit effectively anywhere else the last several years. I truly hope this is the end of the KF time at Iowa. He was a wonderful Coach his first few years. Then he rested on his laurals. Yes, you do hold the General accountable.

absolutely no evidence of that.