Finally dropping bombs on the Hooties

[seminole97]

We aren't going to war.

If some country starts bombing us, it's war, isn't it?

We are not invading.

Would you want Congress to authorize it first?

We are defending ourselves. Don't need Congress to vote on that

If we'd been hit when first attacked, completely support the President in acting immediately to suppress the active and demonstrated threat. This is exactly what the War Powers resolution envisions.
He tells Congress, but can respond to attacks.

Moving in more forces over several weeks and building an international coalition is plenty of time to get the Congress to pass or fail authorization to start bombing another country.

If the fail to give the President authority to bomb another country we defend our assets by moving them out of range until Congress authorizes the war the President says we need.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

I agree that Congress needs to authorize moving troops in there.

But guess what, Congress did not authorize us sending Seal Team to go into Pakistan. You are trying to be too black and white on this.

Certainly if bombing of Yemen continues, Congress needs to authorize it if it turns into an offensive war.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

I'm just saying, we have thousands of troops on those ships over there. One missle gets through and ....well I don't want to think about it. Can't let them keep shooting at us and hijacking maritime

You are exactly right. There's no need for Congress to "declare war" in combating piratical, terrorist acts that are disrupting free trade and navigation. Congress not acting is, in fact, an approval of Biden's action.

Again, ignore Kremlinmole97. His only interest here is following whatever instructions his handlers in St. Petersburg give him in opposing American interference in the acquisition of new territories by the Russia/Iran/NK bloc.

 

[seminole97]

No, you consistently oppose any actions by the US or Western democracies that would oppose or combat the efforts of Russia and Iran to create, fund, and direct terrorist gangs throughout the Middle East, Africa, and central Asia in order to prevent the growth and spread of peaceful, tolerant, and democratic states.

You seem to be ignorant of how successful Obama's regime change efforts in Libya have been at spreading jihadism across Africa.

If I showed you articles about how it's been since then and asked your opinion you'd just quit responding.
Like when I ask if you think letting foreign monarchies pick a single candidate from the prior corrupt regime, and put it to a ballot, makes a democracy.
You are a coward to keep ducking that question.
But I think you'll keep doing it.
Because it means admitting these regime change campaigns have been embarrassing failures and you've swallowed lies about what was being accomplished.

Toppling Saddam and trying to overthrow Assad have made Iran more powerful in the region.
Did toppling Iran's government work out?

This crap backfires over and over, and you're just willfully blind to the results.

 

[seminole97]

I agree that Congress needs to authorize moving troops in there.

But guess what, Congress did not authorize us sending Seal Team to go into Pakistan. You are trying to be too black and white on this.

Wrong.
The AUMF 2001 still hasn't been rescinded.

Certainly if bombing of Yemen continues, Congress needs to authorize it if it turns into an offensive war.

What do you mean by 'offensive war'.
We're conducting voluntary missile and bomb runs on a country.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

"
Wrong.
The AUMF 2001 still hasn't been rescinded."

So you agree that the U.S. has the right to defend itself then. Thanks for conceding.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Also, there was a UN resolution regarding this issue for the Houthis to stop or else

 

[Tom Paris]

Some House Democrats are frustrated with the Biden administration for striking Houthi positions in Yemen without Congressional approval on Thursday night.

"The President needs to come to Congress before launching a strike against the Houthis in Yemen and involving us in another middle east conflict," Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., wrote on X. "That is Article I of the Constitution.

"I will stand up for that regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House," he added.

Other Democrats also tweeted their displeasure, "These airstrikes have NOT been authorized by Congress. The Constitution is clear: Congress has the sole authority to authorize military involvement in overseas conflicts. Every president must first come to Congress and ask for military authorization, regardless of party," Rep. Val Hoyle, D-Ore., wrote on X.

Rep. Mark Pocan, D-Wis., warned that bypassing Congress could risk getting the U.S. into more foreign conflicts.

"The United States cannot risk getting entangled into another decades-long conflict without Congressional authorization. The White House must work with Congress before continuing these airstrikes in Yemen," Pocan wrote on X.

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She's an annoying lib.

 

[The Tradition]

Military action =/= War

Class dismissed.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

I can do this all night Seminol97. Sometimes you just need to admit you are wrong. I do it all the time with my wife.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Military action =/= War

Class dismissed.

In comes Trad for a nonsensical post

 

[seminole97]

"
Wrong.
The AUMF 2001 still hasn't been rescinded."

So you agree that the U.S. has the right to defend itself then.

You spread some misinformation: "Congress did not authorize us sending Seal Team to go into Pakistan."

I even gave you a link.

Congress passed the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF), which authorized force broadly against the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks and those who aided or harbored them


What do you mean by 'offensive war'.
We're conducting voluntary missile and bomb runs on a country.

 

[The Tradition]

You spread some misinformation: "Congress did not authorize us sending Seal Team to go into Pakistan."

I even gave you a link.

Congress passed the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF), which authorized force broadly against the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks and those who aided or harbored them


What do you mean by 'offensive war'.
We're conducting voluntary missile and bomb runs on a country.

We are bombing lawless sea pirates. Hell, the Coast Guard can Constitutionally attack pirates without the White House even being involved whatsoever....

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Congress passed the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF), which authorized force broadly against the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks and those who aided or harbored them

You realize Yemenis have been part of the cause for the past 23 years.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

You spread some misinformation: "Congress did not authorize us sending Seal Team to go into Pakistan."

I even gave you a link.

Congress passed the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF), which authorized force broadly against the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks and those who aided or harbored them


What do you mean by 'offensive war'.
We're conducting voluntary missile and bomb runs on a country.

Why do you want to see servicemembers and merchant mariners killed?

 

[seminole97]

Congress passed the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF), which authorized force broadly against the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks and those who aided or harbored them

You realize Yemenis have been part of the cause for the past 23 years.

Stop.
The Houthis have nothing to do with 9/11, and are not on the side of AQ in the Yemeni civil war.

What do you mean by 'offensive war'.
We're conducting voluntary missile and bomb runs on a country.

 

[seminole97]

Why do you want to see servicemembers and merchant mariners killed?

I don't.
You're still missing the point.
I want to see the President get Congressional authorization before he starts a bombing campaign on the other side of the world.

I still want to know what you mean by 'offensive war'.
We're conducting voluntary missile and bomb runs on a country.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

What do you mean by 'offensive war'.
We're conducting voluntary missile and bomb runs on a country.

We are protecting our servicemember by taking out the means to continue to attack us. The United States and its allies did not start this. This isn't Iraq. They attacked first

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Responding to attacks is not an offensive war. Starting a war on someone else that has not attacked us is. This is not rocket science

 

[The Tradition]

We are protecting our servicemember by taking out the means to continue to attack us. The United States and its allies did not start this. This isn't Iraq. They attacked first

THIS!

They've been shooting at us for weeks and '97 is mad that we're finally shooting back?

 

[GOHOX69]

Bomb Hootie and the Blowfish.

All them fkers.

 

[bhawk24bob]

I can do this all night Seminol97. Sometimes you just need to admit you are wrong. I do it all the time with my wife.

That's a line I don't recommend crossing

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Bomb Hootie and the Blowfish.

All them fkers.

 

[seminole97]

We are protecting our servicemember by taking out the means to continue to attack us. The United States and its allies did not start this. This isn't Iraq. They attacked first

Have you ever read the War Powers resolution?

(b)Termination of use of United States Armed Forces; exceptions; extension period
Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 1543(a)(1) of this title, whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.


Clinton violated this law by continuing the bombing of Serbia beyond the stipulations.
Obama violated it by continuing the bombing of Libya beyond the stipulations.

Will Biden join the club?

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Have you ever read the War Powers resolution?

(b)Termination of use of United States Armed Forces; exceptions; extension period
Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 1543(a)(1) of this title, whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.


Clinton violated this law by continuing the bombing of Serbia beyond the stipulations.
Obama violated it by continuing the bombing of Libya beyond the stipulations.

Will Biden join the club?

Have you ever read the case law that interprets it? I'm guessing not.

 

[chonk]

Trump admitted to offering services to foreign governments for millions of dollars while he was in office.

Please elaborate

 

[h-hawk]

SIAP

"The US Air Force said it fired more than 100 cruise missiles at 16 sites in Yemen and hit more than 60 targets at those sites"

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Who is criticizing the bombing of the Houthis?

Mainstream Democrats

Dems rip Biden for launching Houthi strikes without congressional approval

Some Republicans, meanwhile, couched their praise of the strikes in broader criticism of the administration's foreign policy actions.

www.politico.com

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Mainstream Democrats

Dems rip Biden for launching Houthi strikes without congressional approval

Some Republicans, meanwhile, couched their praise of the strikes in broader criticism of the administration's foreign policy actions.

www.politico.com

Those are not mainstream Dems. But play the Trump making up fake news if you so choose

 

[SI_NYC]

The good old days when that was the biggest thing that we had to worry about.

No, that was the least thing we had to worry about back then.

 

[seminole97]

Have you ever read the case law that interprets it? I'm guessing not.

Enlighten us.

I am aware that in 2019 the House and Senate passed a resolution to end our military involvement in the Saudi’s failed regime change bid in Yemen.

If Biden ignores Congress at the outset instead of getting their support, where does this go in 30-60-90 days?

Do you think the Houthis fold in 60 days, or does Biden face escalating further (without Congress?), or fold?

Israelis seem to indicate they’ll be fighting in Gaza for more than three months.


“We must put an end to the unauthorized and unconstitutional involvement of U.S. Armed Forces in the catastrophic Saudi-led war in Yemen and Congress must take back its authority over war,” said Sen. Sanders. “More than 85,000 children in Yemen have already starved and millions more are facing imminent famine and death. More than 70 percent of Yemen’s population currently rely on humanitarian food assistance and the UN has warned the death toll could climb to 1.3 million people by 2030. This war has created the world’s worst humanitarian crisis today and it is past time to end U.S. complicity in those horrors. Let us pass this resolution, so we can focus on diplomacy to end this war.”

“The war in Yemen has been an unmitigated disaster for which all parties to the conflict share responsibility,” said Sen. Leahy. “Why are we supporting a corrupt theocracy that brutalizes its own people, in a war that is best known for causing immense suffering and death among impoverished, defenseless civilians? Congress never agreed to this war. Absent a congressional declaration of war that is required by the Constitution and the War Powers Act, Congress should end U.S. support for the Saudi military’s indiscriminate bombing, naval blockade, and other involvement in Yemen.”

“Millions of innocent Yemenis have endured untold suffering and a humanitarian catastrophe since the Yemeni civil war began,” said Sen. Warren. “The American people, through their elected representatives in Congress, never authorized U.S. involvement in the war – but Congress abdicated its constitutional powers and failed to prevent our country from involving itself in this crisis. The U.S. must immediately end its support for Saudi-led coalition in Yemen unless explicitly authorized by Congress.”

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

This was about jo, hunter and associated riff-raff being long crude oil futures, and that's it and that's all.....

 

[LunchBox50]

They'd rather have a President sitting around eating McDonalds and making millions from the Chinese while in office.

And tweeting relentlessly in between rounds of golf at his private clubs.

 

[MitchLL]

Was that before or after he mothballed 100 members of Putin’s Wagner forces and then killed the top general of Iran?

I don't know the answer to this, but did Trump get Congressional approval to kill the Iranian guy?

 

[FAUlty Gator]

I don't know the answer to this, but did Trump get Congressional approval to kill the Iranian guy?

 

[Jimmy McGill]

https://www.kcci.com/article/singer-darius-rucker-arrested/46619350

 

[mnole03]

https://www.kcci.com/article/singer-darius-rucker-arrested/46619350

We need to ease up on the Hooties.

 

[runkpanole]

https://www.kcci.com/article/singer-darius-rucker-arrested/46619350

Sounds like he gave his buddy some weed?

 

[Joes Place]

Sounds like he gave his buddy some weed?

Band changed its name now

Hookah and the Bong Pipes

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Sounds like he gave his buddy some weed?

Yeah, not a big deal. I just thought of this thread when I read it