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Flat tax is going to pass in both Iowa House and Senate

Start with the making 10 million only pays social security tax on first $168,000; Guy making 55k pays it on all his income.

Rich guy can donate to politicians to reduce his tax liability; poor guy can’t.

Rich guy has access to tax advantaged transactions.

Rich guy holds most of his wealth in deferred tax assets.

Rich guy probably got his assets from Daddy with a stepped up basis.

Rich guy likely has legacy admission to better colleges.

Rich guys went to better public schools.

And on and on ….
Agree, except for the part about deducting political contributions. They aren't deductible,

Bottom line, if a low income person pays an extra $1,000 in tax it eats into their grocery or utilities budget. A wealthy guys just peals 10 C Notes from his wad and goes on about his day.
 
I know what the program is called.

Please send me a link to the actual text of the insurance policy - after all, you say it’s insurance - so there must be a copy of the policy available.

Thanks in advance.
You bet. Go find yours at the site below. Your benefits are described in great detail in the online policy. Libtard.

 
You bet. Go find yours at the site below. Your benefits are described in great detail in the online policy. Libtard.


I get that my benefits are identified. Again, great news!

But that’s not what I asked.

Can you post a link to the insurance policy itself? I’d like to read the policy. Thanks!
 
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Lots of other states dont have income tax at all. Just saying. Kiss. They seem to be doing just fine with other taxing mechanisms.
Lots if other states face otter ways to revenue folks…Iowa doesn’t have gambling industry, “tourism” or oil. Other states face higher sales taxes…This is where Iowa is going to go soon to make up the revenue loss from the income tax deduction.
 
There is no benefit to the flat tax for the state. Why change it. I think it will create a problem that didn’t exist.
 
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Yes. The state has a huge surplus right now. We arent predicting the future, we are refunding, via future tax code, that which has been paid prior.
We have a surplus because the state is not spending money on things that need more funding like schools, roads, water quality, parks, etc. It's like a being a home owner that has a big bank account, but meanwhile he/she isn't maintaining his property. Sooner or later those little problems he/she refused to fix turn into big expensive problems that his bank account can't cover.
 
Start with the making 10 million only pays social security tax on first $168,000; Guy making 55k pays it on all his income.

Rich guy can donate to politicians to reduce his tax liability; poor guy can’t.

Rich guy has access to tax advantaged transactions.

Rich guy holds most of his wealth in deferred tax assets.

Rich guy probably got his assets from Daddy with a stepped up basis.

Rich guy likely has legacy admission to better colleges.

Rich guys went to better public schools.

And on and on ….
I see someone is a jealous and bitter person.
 
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I get that my benefits are identified. Again, great news!

But that’s not what I asked.

Can you post a link to the insurance policy itself? I’d like to read the policy. Thanks!
Oh you want language and not see the information about YOUR specific situation. I see. Here you go, libtard


I'm not quite sure what exactly you're trying to argue with this "policy", but you're an idiot.

The right to benefits in a private insurance program is contractual, based on an insurance contract. The insurer generally does not have a unilateral right to change or terminate coverage before the end of the contract period (except in such cases as nonpayment of premiums). Social insurance programs are not generally based on a contract but on a statute, and the right to benefits is thus statutory rather than contractual. The provisions of the program can be changed if the statute is modified.
 
I think we think about this differently and honestly that’s okay.

You look at this as a moral issue. I don’t see any morality in the taxes one pays and honestly I don’t know enough to say what rates people should pay. I’m not an expert in it and I’ll never profess to, especially relating to the federal level.

I grew up in a small town. I built grain bins around Iowa for 5 years or so during and after college and I’ve been to hundreds of small communities around here. Maybe my perspective has changed but man these small towns seem to be getting smaller and shabbier every year.

I don’t think you can cut taxes enough in Iowa to appeal to people outside of here to come, especially outside of the cities. We don’t have much here and that’s okay. But we used to really pride ourselves on investing in the next generation and caring about our neighbors. Taxes aren’t everything but they are something.

You seem to think I’m some hardcore lib and I think if we sat down we’d probably agree on a lot more than you’d think. Maybe I’m just getting nostalgic about my youth. But I also don’t want State Center, Jefferson, and Griswold to be absolute backwoods crapholes. when I go back to my hometown man the state of it sometimes bums me out.
Agreed. The reason for this isnt the lack of tax revenue though. The reason is mobility. Small towns are failing largely due to Amazon and Walmart and in many cases the ease with which people can travel to Des Moines, Omaha, Waterloo, Iowa City, Cedar Rapids, Quad Cities. Small stores (which bring jobs and money locally via spending and to a lesser extent sales tax) arent able to survive with the retail climate that exists. It's really as simple as that.
 
Agreed. The reason for this isnt the lack of tax revenue though. The reason is mobility. Small towns are failing largely due to Amazon and Walmart and in many cases the ease with which people can travel to Des Moines, Omaha, Waterloo, Iowa City, Cedar Rapids, Quad Cities. Small stores (which bring jobs and money locally via spending and to a lesser extent sales tax) arent able to survive with the retail climate that exists. It's really as simple as that.
I think it’s more basic than this. It’s because many rural towns failed to invest in infrastructure needed to ensure their survival. What are issues in rural/small town Iowa today? Polluted ground water for sure. Outdated sanitation facilities. Rural bridges and to a lesser extent roads…Struggle to maintain daily/emergency services like police, ambulance and medical facility…these all cost money but many can be preserved abd imprivwd via smart taxation policies. Sadly, Iowans are hell-bent on cutting taxes, and trying to prove their mantra that “private” is more efficient but the reality is many of these basic services cannot survive on private enterprise alone. Hey, Iowa bought into this and Iowa is going to live with it. Small town Iowa is going to struggle, Iowa population will remain stagnate in decades to come…and Iowa will keep cutting taxes and as a result cutting off their noses to spite their face.
 
We have a surplus because the state is not spending money on things that need more funding like schools, roads, water quality, parks, etc. It's like a being a home owner that has a big bank account, but meanwhile he/she isn't maintaining his property. Sooner or later those little problems he/she refused to fix turn into big expensive problems that his bank account can't cover.
^^^^^This.

Terrace Hill returns Fed $$$ when it's available and Iowans suffer accordingly.

And I question the claim that there's as big of a State budget surplus as the Governor's office claims.
Why would they discourage an audit if they were financially sound?
 
^^^^^This.

Terrace Hill returns Fed $$$ when it's available and Iowans suffer accordingly.

And I question the claim that there's as big of a State budget surplus as the Governor's office claims.
Why would they discourage an audit if they were financially sound?
An audit would show something Kim doesn’t want known…that’s a main reason why she had the Legislature emasculate the position of Auditor.
 
I think it’s more basic than this. It’s because many rural towns failed to invest in infrastructure needed to ensure their survival. What are issues in rural/small town Iowa today? Polluted ground water for sure. Outdated sanitation facilities. Rural bridges and to a lesser extent roads…Struggle to maintain daily/emergency services like police, ambulance and medical facility…these all cost money but many can be preserved abd imprivwd via smart taxation policies. Sadly, Iowans are hell-bent on cutting taxes, and trying to prove their mantra that “private” is more efficient but the reality is many of these basic services cannot survive on private enterprise alone. Hey, Iowa bought into this and Iowa is going to live with it. Small town Iowa is going to struggle, Iowa population will remain stagnate in decades to come…and Iowa will keep cutting taxes and as a result cutting off their noses to spite their face.
Wrong. Not the small town that my wife's family is from. No one is deciding to move away or not move to a town becuase of 'Polluted ground water for sure. Outdated sanitation facilities. Rural bridges and to a lesser extent roads'

Aside from my wifes small town, I am in small town Iowa as I type this. There is no problem with EMS, the local hospital or police services. At all. This town has excellent emergency care, family medicine services and city police and sheriff's deputies.

What you believe is causing the issue is not.

Its all the things I mentioned prior, and the loss of family farmers.

Others can chime in but loss of tax revenue and infrastructure losses on this basis either is an imagined problem on your behalf, in most cases, or not the problematic one in most all the rest.
 
Wrong. Not the small town that my wife's family is from. No one is deciding to move away or not move to a town becuase of 'Polluted ground water for sure. Outdated sanitation facilities. Rural bridges and to a lesser extent roads'

Aside from my wifes small town, I am in small town Iowa as I type this. There is no problem with EMS, the local hospital or police services. At all. This town has excellent emergency care, family medicine services and city police and sheriff's deputies.

What you believe is causing the issue is not.

Its all the things I mentioned prior, and the loss of family farmers.

Others can chime in but loss of tax revenue and infrastructure losses on this basis either is an imagined problem on your behalf, in most cases, or not the problematic one in most all the rest.
Obviously Gus, you don’t pay attention to local news…but that’s fine… you are a case study in how Iowa got to where it is today, my friend. Wear your blinders and enjoy your life….meanwhile, Iowa stagnates
 
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Wrong. Not the small town that my wife's family is from. No one is deciding to move away or not move to a town becuase of 'Polluted ground water for sure. Outdated sanitation facilities. Rural bridges and to a lesser extent roads'

Aside from my wifes small town, I am in small town Iowa as I type this. There is no problem with EMS, the local hospital or police services. At all. This town has excellent emergency care, family medicine services and city police and sheriff's deputies.

What you believe is causing the issue is not.

Its all the things I mentioned prior, and the loss of family farmers.

Others can chime in but loss of tax revenue and infrastructure losses on this basis either is an imagined problem on your behalf, in most cases, or not the problematic one in most all the rest.
 
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Wrong. Not the small town that my wife's family is from. No one is deciding to move away or not move to a town becuase of 'Polluted ground water for sure. Outdated sanitation facilities. Rural bridges and to a lesser extent roads'

Aside from my wifes small town, I am in small town Iowa as I type this. There is no problem with EMS, the local hospital or police services. At all. This town has excellent emergency care, family medicine services and city police and sheriff's deputies.

What you believe is causing the issue is not.

Its all the things I mentioned prior, and the loss of family farmers.

Others can chime in but loss of tax revenue and infrastructure losses on this basis either is an imagined problem on your behalf, in most cases, or not the problematic one in most all the rest.
 
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Of course if you never need an ambulance or ever bother to call one, why would “you” need one? Meanwhile, these tax cuts save most Iowa families about $150-200 a year!
 
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Can you provide your definition of rich and poor? This just sounds like a lot of envy…
Well that’s because you’re not very bright…if you actually need a definition…or can’t follow reality.
 
Of course if you never need an ambulance or ever bother to call one, why would “you” need one? Meanwhile, these tax cuts save most Iowa families about $150-200 a year!
You happen to be discussing rural EMS with someone with a lot of knowledge about this topic. I don't think tax revenue is the main problem, a problem, yes, medicaid reimbursement needs to get better. Medicare as well (federal tax). Part of the problem is also that many are volunteer services and EMTs are aging out. Its hard to get folks that are EMTs to give away their time anymore. EMS pay needs to get better for sure but the increasing presence of corporate EMS is more at fault IMO. Additionally, with the hospital transfer problem with bed occupancy and capacity, many transfers are going an hour or more away just to find a non-critical access hospital bed with nearly full services available. Surgery, neurology, nephrology, orthopedic surgery. These long transfer costs weigh heavy on the system as well. I am aware of a recent case of a hip replacement that had to go 4 hours in Iowa, basically coast to coast, to find a hospital that had an orthopedic surgeon AND inpatient bed capacity.

We need to pay EMS better when possible, provide tax benefits of a much larger amount to volunteer EMS personnel and pay nurses better so the larger level 1, 2, and 3 hospitals have more beds available locally. This isn't anywhere near as simple as you imply.

I wish I had the solution but unlike you leftists, I don't think government and taxes are the solution to everything. In fact, I'd suggest, they are rarely the solution to anything.
 
You happen to be discussing rural EMS with someone with a lot of knowledge about this topic. I don't think tax revenue is the main problem, a problem, yes, medicaid reimbursement needs to get better. Medicare as well (federal tax). Part of the problem is also that many are volunteer services and EMTs are aging out. Its hard to get folks that are EMTs to give away their time anymore. EMS pay needs to get better for sure but the increasing presence of corporate EMS is more at fault IMO. Additionally, with the hospital transfer problem with bed occupancy and capacity, many transfers are going an hour or more away just to find a non-critical access hospital bed with nearly full services available. Surgery, neurology, nephrology, orthopedic surgery. These long transfer costs weigh heavy on the system as well. I am aware of a recent case of a hip replacement that had to go 4 hours in Iowa, basically coast to coast, to find a hospital that had an orthopedic surgeon AND inpatient bed capacity.

We need to pay EMS better when possible, provide tax benefits of a much larger amount to volunteer EMS personnel and pay nurses better so the larger level 1, 2, and 3 hospitals have more beds available locally. This isn't anywhere near as simple as you imply.

I wish I had the solution but unlike you leftists, I don't think government and taxes are the solution to everything. In fact, I'd suggest, they are rarely the solution to anything.
Certainly including state government and legislation. Iowa’s congressional delegation does nothing to get Medicare/medicAid $$ distributed here..Kim’s privatization of MedicAud has shown no improvement in services or any monetary savings..she has refused fir 5 years to release numbers and taken away any power of oversight from the State’s Auditor to verify her claims. Meanwhile rural and small Tywin Uowa continue to lose services. Areas that have population and jobs do well in these areas, comparatively. I understand things are hard all over… the function of effective government is to ease these burdens and not exasperate them.
 
I am aware we have bridge issues. This was not the assertion. The assertion was that people arent moving to small towns due to bridges needing work. I disagree. I doubt that is even in the top 10.
No Gus… the assertion is, despite your statement, folks are not moving to Iowa in any appreciable numbers. Iowa is population stagnate…and has been for decades!
Iowa has problems with polluted water, rivers, bad bridges, declining access to healthcare and list manufacturing jobs…so zIowa’s answer is to cut taxes! What solution does cutting taxes provide? You need to INVEST money to make money at times.
 
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