Florida Again Warns Even High Risk Population Against Getting COVID Vaccines

[Joes Place]

How did your vaccines go today?

I'm getting the covid vaxx next week.

Just sore arms

Feeling crappy yesterday and this AM, but nothing major.
First time I got both flu and Covid the same day; in the past I'd spaced them out a week or so.

I'm traveling in Oct and attending large crowd events, so figured it'd be good to amp up the immune system a bit earlier this year.

 

[Joes Place]

I’m a senior citizen who lives in FL and I’ve never heard or read any type of warning or statement from the State

Fox and OAN must understand that allowing their "base" to get Covid, unvaccinated, is a bad bad formula for the election, and for increasing viewerships...

 

[MichaelKeller99]

I feel so fortunate to be healthy without the Trump injections coursing through my veins and settling into my organs.

Winter after winter of severe sickness and death, amirite?

 

[bunsen82]

Probably all jabbed and boosted, too. 🤷‍♂️

None of them that I am aware, this is high republican anti vaccine area.

 

[your_master5]

Oh hey, look. Another smooth brain wants to speak of things they know nothing about.

Ok, nurse...

 

[fsu1jreed]

Fox and OAN must understand that allowing their "base" to get Covid, unvaccinated, is a bad bad formula for the election, and for increasing viewerships...

And Goldman also she has no problem with DeSantis appointing some conspiracy theorist to be Surgeon General that claimed that several studies proved that vaccines increase an individual’s chances of contracting COVID-19. And during a measles outbreak he didn't urge urge parents to vaccinate their children or keep unvaccinated students home from school which he acknowledged was what you should do, but it was the parents decision. Why? Because RDS is MAGA and that's what MAGA wants.

 

[your_master5]

I did. You see....I had all kinds of classes in med school including immunology, pharmacology, statistics, physiology, infectious disease, etc.

How about you? How'd you gain your newfound expertise?

Oh, so you did a lot of...........reading. Where are you located so I know where NOT to go for medical advice?

 

[KFsdisciple]

Oh, so you did a lot of...........reading. Where are you located so I know where NOT to go for medical advice?

Pretty sure his office is located at:

666 Hades Rd
Hell, Michgan

 

[ft254]

JFC. This again.

Don't want to get vaccinated - don't

If you feel vaccination potentially mitigates severity - do.

Going over this for 6 years has not changed minds.

 

[jonesy5960]

The main one around here, Novavax, a 3 dose course is needed for increased efficacy so it may not even be worth it unless you're at an increased risk.

Where is "here"? Are you a furner?

 

[MichaelKeller99]

It's not a vaccine in anyway shape or form. It's literally gene therapy. Unbelievable you people still spew this stupidity.

“I sequenced all the DNA that was in the vaccine and I can see what's in there and it's surprising that there's any DNA in there… I'm alarmed about the possible consequences of this both in terms of human health and biology,but you should be alarmed about the regulatory process that allowed it to get there! So, this DNA in my view, it could be causing some of the rare but serious side effects like death from Cardiac Arrest. There's a lot of cases now of people having suspicious deaths after the vaccine. It's hard to prove what caused it…This DNA is a plausible mechanism. This DNA can and likely will integrate into the genomic DNA of cells that got transfected with the vaccine…This is a real hazard for genome modification of long live sematic cells, like stem cells and it could cause theoretically- this is all a theoretical concern, but it's pretty reasonable, based on solid molecular biology that it could cause a sustained autoimmune tact toward that tissue. It's also a very real theoretical risk of future cancer in some people, depending on where in the genome this foreign piece of DNA lands.”

Back in September 2023, Buckhaults could only emphasize the theoretical concern that the “DNA can and likely will integrate into the genomic DNA of cells that got transfected with the vaccines.”
However, almost a year later, Buckhaults has horrifyingly proven in his lab- that plasmid DNA from the mRNA shots can integrate into the genome of normal cells.
Below is a screenshot of his post made today on X.

Buckhaults: "Proof Plasmid DNA in mRNA vaccine modifies human genome"

Exactly one year ago, I published a 2-part investigative report detailing the contamination of mRNA shots with plasmid DNA and the cancer-promoting SV40 genetic sequence.

www.soniaelijah.com

 

[KFsdisciple]

Back in September 2023, Buckhaults could only emphasize the theoretical concern that the “DNA can and likely will integrate into the genomic DNA of cells that got transfected with the vaccines.”
However, almost a year later, Buckhaults has horrifyingly proven in his lab- that plasmid DNA from the mRNA shots can integrate into the genome of normal cells.
Below is a screenshot of his post made today on X.

Buckhaults: "Proof Plasmid DNA in mRNA vaccine modifies human genome"

Exactly one year ago, I published a 2-part investigative report detailing the contamination of mRNA shots with plasmid DNA and the cancer-promoting SV40 genetic sequence.

www.soniaelijah.com

They're safe and effective! We're dealing with pandemic of the unvaccinated! You want to kill grandma if you don't get your 7th booster shot!

No matter how safe and effective these things really are, or how dangerous and lethal they are, we're NEVER going to hear from the people who helped push these things on everyone that they were wrong, and people were right to be hesitant or to even ask questions.

 

[Joes Place]

Back in September 2023, Buckhaults could only emphasize the theoretical concern that the “DNA can and likely will integrate into the genomic DNA of cells that got transfected with the vaccines.”
However, almost a year later, Buckhaults has horrifyingly proven in his lab- that plasmid DNA from the mRNA shots can integrate into the genome of normal cells.
Below is a screenshot of his post made today on X.

Buckhaults: "Proof Plasmid DNA in mRNA vaccine modifies human genome"

Exactly one year ago, I published a 2-part investigative report detailing the contamination of mRNA shots with plasmid DNA and the cancer-promoting SV40 genetic sequence.

www.soniaelijah.com

Twitter posts.

No publications.

BAU

 

[KFsdisciple]

Twitter posts.

No publications.

BAU

Attacks the platform and source rather than address the data and facts

BAU

 

[Joes Place]

Attacks the platform

Yep

The "platform" isn't even the equivalent of a "white paper"; not remotely publication level.
No reason, whatsoever, to listen to them.

If they have actual evidence, they'll publish it in a journal and have it reviewed by experts.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

If you have a billion dollars, they’ll publish it in a journal, have it published by paid ‘experts’ and get your drug or vaccine approved by the FDA.

 

[Joes Place]

If you have a billion dollars, they’ll publish it in a journal

ORLY???

I see loads of publications that discuss risks and/or benefits of drugs published by people w/o "a billion dollars"....

 

[MichaelKeller99]

ORLY???

I see loads of publications that discuss risks and/or benefits of drugs published by people w/o "a billion dollars"....

Someone doesn’t understand the use of the word ‘and’ as it applies to the English language.

“If you have a billion dollars, they’ll publish it in a journal, have it published by paid ‘experts’ and get your drug or vaccine approved by the FDA.”

A pair of recently-released studies shed new light on the staggering cost of developing new drugs—an expense that now exceeds $2 billion per therapy on average.

In one report, business services consultancy Deloitte details the growing research-and-development (R&D) expenses that biopharmas often blame for the sky-high list prices they charge for new treatments. Deloitte found that the average cost of developing a new drug among the top 20 global biopharmas it studied rose 15% ($298 million) last year, to approximately $2.3 billion.

That figure includes the average cost of developing a candidate from discovery through clinical trials to the market. Deloitte counted 278 late-stage assets last year, slightly above 273 in 2021 and the lowest year-over-year increase since 2018—with companies ranging for four to 35 late-stage assets—defined as both approved and terminated assets in Phase II with breakthrough therapy designation, in Phase III, or filed as of April 30 of each year.

R&D expense per asset remains slightly below the nearly $2.5 billion peak reported by Deloitte in 2019, before the onset of COVID-19. The pandemic led to lower R&D per-asset costs as developers brought their vaccines and drugs against the virus to market in just months. Total R&D spending by the top 20 biopharmas stayed relatively flat, dipping 1% from $141 billion to $139.2 billion—but still 63% above the $85.47 billion calculated in 2013.

 

[Joes Place]

“If you have a billion dollars, they’ll publish it in a journal

Which is false, if you're referring to reputable journals.

There are literally dozens of published articles that discuss risks and benefits of drugs/vaccines published by independent universities and researchers. Rather than read any of that, you latch on to the bullshit that gets fed to you on X.

 

[Joes Place]

Meanwhile, in the peer-reviewed publication The Lancet...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(24)00541-8/fulltext

112,590 adolescents (88,811 vaccinated) were included in the cohort for the analysis against Delta variant, and 188,894 children (101,277 vaccinated), and 84,735 adolescents (37,724 vaccinated) were included for the analysis against Omicron variant. During the Delta period, the estimated effectiveness of the BNT162b2 vaccine against long COVID among adolescents was 95.4% (95% CI: 90.9%–97.7%). During the Omicron phase, the estimated effectiveness against long COVID among children was 60.2% (95% CI: 40.3%–73.5%) and 75.1% (95% CI: 50.4%–87.5%) among adolescents.


aDepartment of Biostatistics and Health Data Science, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA, USA
bDepartment of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Informatics, University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine, Philadelphia, PA, USA
cThe Center for Health AI and Synthesis of Evidence (CHASE), University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA, USA
dThe Graduate Group in Applied Mathematics and Computational Science, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA, USA
eDepartment of Biostatistics, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, MD, USA
fApplied Clinical Research Center, The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA, USA
gBiomedical Research Informatics Center, Nemours Children’s Health, Nemours Children’s Hospital, Wilmington, DE, USA
hDepartment of Epidemiology, College of Public Health, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
iCenter for Child Health, Behavior and Development, Seattle Children’s Research Institute, Seattle, WA, USA
jDepartment of Pediatrics, Atrium Health Wake Forest Baptist, Winston-Salem, NC, USA
kSection of Infectious Diseases, Lewis Katz School of Medicine at Temple University, Philadelphia, PA, USA
lBiomedical Informatics, Biostatistics and Medical Epidemiology, University of Missouri School of Medicine, Columbia, MO, USA
mDivision of Pulmonary Medicine, Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center and University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, Cincinnati, OH, USA
nDepartment of Pediatrics, University of Colorado School of Medicine and Children’s Hospital Colorado, Aurora, CO, USA
oDepartment of Pediatrics, Stanford School of Medicine, Stanford, CA, USA
pDepartment of Research, OCHIN, Inc., Portland, OR, USA
qDepartment of Statistical Sciences, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
rDivision of Infectious Diseases, Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago, Chicago, IL, USA
sLeonard Davis Institute of Health Economics, Philadelphia, PA, USA
tPenn Medicine Center for Evidence-based Practice (CEP), Philadelphia, PA, USA
uPenn Institute for Biomedical Informatics (IBI), Philadelphia, PA, USA

Now, head on over to UIHC to troll the Department of Epidemiology there with your Twitter memes claiming this is all "Big Pharma" research....

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Which is false, if you're referring to reputable journals.

There are literally dozens of published articles that discuss risks and benefits of drugs/vaccines published by independent universities and researchers. Rather than read any of that, you latch on to the bullshit that gets fed to you on X.

#And

 

[Joes Place]

#And

This does not refute the point made.
When you use "and" in a statement, refutation of either premise destroys the argument.

Not so, when you use "or".

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Meanwhile, in the peer-reviewed publication The Lancet...

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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(24)00541-8/fulltext

112,590 adolescents (88,811 vaccinated) were included in the cohort for the analysis against Delta variant, and 188,894 children (101,277 vaccinated), and 84,735 adolescents (37,724 vaccinated) were included for the analysis against Omicron variant. During the Delta period, the estimated effectiveness of the BNT162b2 vaccine against long COVID among adolescents was 95.4% (95% CI: 90.9%–97.7%). During the Omicron phase, the estimated effectiveness against long COVID among children was 60.2% (95% CI: 40.3%–73.5%) and 75.1% (95% CI: 50.4%–87.5%) among adolescents.


aDepartment of Biostatistics and Health Data Science, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA, USA
bDepartment of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Informatics, University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine, Philadelphia, PA, USA
cThe Center for Health AI and Synthesis of Evidence (CHASE), University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA, USA
dThe Graduate Group in Applied Mathematics and Computational Science, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA, USA
eDepartment of Biostatistics, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, MD, USA
fApplied Clinical Research Center, The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA, USA
gBiomedical Research Informatics Center, Nemours Children’s Health, Nemours Children’s Hospital, Wilmington, DE, USA
hDepartment of Epidemiology, College of Public Health, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
iCenter for Child Health, Behavior and Development, Seattle Children’s Research Institute, Seattle, WA, USA
jDepartment of Pediatrics, Atrium Health Wake Forest Baptist, Winston-Salem, NC, USA
kSection of Infectious Diseases, Lewis Katz School of Medicine at Temple University, Philadelphia, PA, USA
lBiomedical Informatics, Biostatistics and Medical Epidemiology, University of Missouri School of Medicine, Columbia, MO, USA
mDivision of Pulmonary Medicine, Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center and University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, Cincinnati, OH, USA
nDepartment of Pediatrics, University of Colorado School of Medicine and Children’s Hospital Colorado, Aurora, CO, USA
oDepartment of Pediatrics, Stanford School of Medicine, Stanford, CA, USA
pDepartment of Research, OCHIN, Inc., Portland, OR, USA
qDepartment of Statistical Sciences, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
rDivision of Infectious Diseases, Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago, Chicago, IL, USA
sLeonard Davis Institute of Health Economics, Philadelphia, PA, USA
tPenn Medicine Center for Evidence-based Practice (CEP), Philadelphia, PA, USA
uPenn Institute for Biomedical Informatics (IBI), Philadelphia, PA, USA

Now, head on over to UIHC to troll the Department of Epidemiology there with your Twitter memes claiming this is all "Big Pharma" research....

Your study showed the covid injections were statistically non-significant against covid transmission but they were great against something that doesn’t exist…long covid.

Uhh, okay. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

https://bmjgroup.com/flawed-body-of-research-indicates-true-long-covid-risk-likely-exaggerated/

 

[Joes Place]

Your study showed the covid injections were statistically non-significant against covid transmission

Because Covid transmission was driven by outside factors, Cletus.

It was CLEARLY protective against both infection AND Long Covid.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Because Covid transmission was driven by outside factors, Cletus.

It was CLEARLY protective against both infection AND Long Covid.

@MichaelKeller99 - Joe's is right on this one.

The vaccines were effective against transmission early on. That wasn't the justification for them, but was a hoped for and welcome benefit. The vaccines became less effective against transmission with the emergence of Delta and much less effective against Omicron. But they continued to be acceptably effective against serious infection (as opposed to transmission), and are still justifiable for that reason.

Meanwhile Joe's offers evidence that they are also beneficial against long COVID.

As you may recall, I'm no fan of the mRNA vaccines - although I took them when they were all I could get. But my reluctance toward the mRNA versions isn't because they aren't effective. Even at reduced effectiveness against Omicron, they are still justified on grounds that they reduce the risk of serious infection, death, and long COVID.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

@MichaelKeller99 - Joe's is right on this one.

The vaccines were effective against transmission early on. That wasn't the justification for them, but was a hoped for and welcome benefit. The vaccines became less effective against transmission with the emergence of Delta and much less effective against Omicron. But they continued to be acceptably effective against serious infection (as opposed to transmission), and are still justifiable for that reason.

Meanwhile Joe's offers evidence that they are also beneficial against long COVID.

As you may recall, I'm no fan of the mRNA vaccines - although I took them when they were all I could get. But my reluctance toward the mRNA versions isn't because they aren't effective. Even at reduced effectiveness against Omicron, they are still justified on grounds that they reduce the risk of serious infection, death, and long COVID.

No disrespect, but piss off with ‘long covid’ which is defined (lmfao!) as a medical condition that persists for at least 3 months, following a confirmed or SUSPECTED covid infection involving one or more of OVER 200 different symptoms (emphasis added).

As far as vaccines being effective against covid (or RSV, influenza, etc.) I will once again defer to the esteemed Dr. Fauci on this one: Past unsuccessful attempts to elicit solid protection against mucosal respiratory viruses and to control the deadly outbreaks and pandemics they cause have been a scientific and public health failure…

FACT: Intramuscular injections cannot convey mucosal immunity against respiratory infections.

 

[Joes Place]

@MichaelKeller99 - Joe's is right on this one.

The vaccines were effective against transmission early on. That wasn't the justification for them, but was a hoped for and welcome benefit. The vaccines became less effective against transmission with the emergence of Delta and much less effective against Omicron. But they continued to be acceptably effective against serious infection (as opposed to transmission), and are still justifiable for that reason.

Meanwhile Joe's offers evidence that they are also beneficial against long COVID.

As you may recall, I'm no fan of the mRNA vaccines - although I took them when they were all I could get. But my reluctance toward the mRNA versions isn't because they aren't effective. Even at reduced effectiveness against Omicron, they are still justified on grounds that they reduce the risk of serious infection, death, and long COVID.

 

[Joes Place]

FACT: Intramuscular injections cannot convey mucosal immunity against respiratory infections.

Yet, they clearly conveyed protection against both Covid infection and Covid sequelae in children.

Per the Lancet, published by over a dozen university research sources. None of whom had "a billion dollars" to publish that work.

 

[KFsdisciple]

No disrespect, but piss off with ‘long covid’ which is defined (lmfao!) as a medical condition that persists for at least 3 months, following a confirmed or SUSPECTED covid infection involving one or more of OVER 200 different symptoms (emphasis added).

As far as vaccines being effective against covid (or RSV, influenza, etc.) I will once again defer to the esteemed Dr. Fauci on this one: Past unsuccessful attempts to elicit solid protection against mucosal respiratory viruses and to control the deadly outbreaks and pandemics they cause have been a scientific and public health failure…

FACT: Intramuscular injections cannot convey mucosal immunity against respiratory infections.

But long Covid!!! Let’s just keep moving the goal posts for what an effective Covid vaccine does and we can keep saying it’s effective.

 

[Joes Place]

But long Covid!!! Let’s just keep moving the goal posts for what an effective Covid vaccine does

Uh....no one "moved the goalposts"

The study demonstrated benefits against infection, severe disease AND Long Covid sequelae.
That's another "add-on"; the infection risk benefit was still demonstrated, Cletus.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Uh....no one "moved the goalposts"

The study demonstrated benefits against infection, severe disease AND Long Covid sequelae.
That's another "add-on"; the infection risk benefit was still demonstrated, Cletus.

Oh yeah when Joey boy tried to make all the big companies in America force their employees to get experimented on, long covid sequelae wasn’t even among the reasons why…