Florida GOP has nothing better to do

[Finance85]

Yes, I'm calling out DeSantis and the Florida legislature. What they are leaving out of the story us that everyone, including adults, adults will have to prove their age.

DeSantis signs bill that bans Florida children under 14 from having social media accounts​

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (CBS12) — Florida is set to tighten restrictions on minors using social media under a bill signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday

The bill will prohibit children under 14 from having social media accounts and will require parental permission for 14- and 15- year-olds. This comes after DeSantis vetoed a similar bill under the same name earlier this month.

At the conference DeSantis spoke of the risks social media poses on children, particularly the threat of human traffickers who use these platforms as a tool to find victims.

The governor signed HB 3, or the Online Protections for Minors bill, while backed by various local and state leaders at a conference in Jacksonville.
Among the attendees was Florida Speaker of the House, Paul Renner, (R-District 19), who has made the bill one of his top legislative priorities.

"None of us can be on the sidelines when it comes to social media -- when it comes to the hard-core pornography our children are being exposed to," Renner said.

The house speaker enumerated some of the dangers of social media, such as its impact on their mental health.

"What we have addressed are the addictive features that are at the heart of why children stay on these platforms for hours and hours on end," Renner said of the bill.

Renner also rebuked the argument that the bill might infringe on First Amendment rights. He said the bill doesn't wouldn't violate freedom of speech rights because it doesn't focus on the content of speech, but on the "addictive technology."

Another speaker was Florida Senator Erin Grall (R-District), who urged the audience to consider social media's impact on parents and their responsibilities.

"They have made our parenting difficult by addicting our children," Grall said of social media companies.

https://weartv.com/news/local/desan...n-under-14-from-having-social-media-accounts#

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Children under 14 shouldn't have social media accounts.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Children under 14 shouldn't have social media accounts.

Why not? They're allowed to shoot guns, ain't they? Just more nanny state bullshit.

 

[sober_teacher]

Children under 14 shouldn't have social media accounts.

I can understand limited circumstances - like for family pages on Facebook and such.

This is something I agree with the spirit of what they’re doing - social media can be a nasty, dangerous play for kids especially, but I’m not sure I agree with how they’re doing it.

Frankly I’d try to legislate more on the platform side to make companies better enforce anti-bullying rules.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Like most of the rest of his “agenda,” this will be another loss for Meatball Ron after several months of litigation and millions in attorneys fees paid for by our FL peeps.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Children under 14 shouldn't have social media accounts.

Shouldn't that be left up to the parents? I guess parental rights only apply when you support the cause.

 

[DFSNOLE]

FLORIDA FREE! (as long as you agree with me)

 

[ClarindaA's]

It probably helps gutless parents tell their golden calf children. No

 

[Sharky1203]

Why not? They're allowed to shoot guns, ain't they? Just more nanny state bullshit.

While I understand what you're saying, but they can't legally own a gun till 21. If you look at what social media has done to the general population of adults, putting that in the minds of not fully developed minds can be advantageous to they're future. Social media has really screwed up America. Why it's useful, it has also caused far more damage than it has good. IMO.

 

[franklinman]

Ya can't fix stupid, but you already knew this.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Shouldn't that be left up to the parents? I guess parental rights only apply when you support the cause.

perhaps we should let minors buy porn mags? Why have age restrictions on anything? Let's just leave everything up to the parents.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

I can understand limited circumstances - like for family pages on Facebook and such.

This is something I agree with the spirit of what they’re doing - social media can be a nasty, dangerous play for kids especially, but I’m not sure I agree with how they’re doing it.

Frankly I’d try to legislate more on the platform side to make companies better enforce anti-bullying rules.

Fair enough.

I think a cutoff for kids under 14 would be easier to enforce.

Relying on tech companies to do the right thing is wishful thinking IMO.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Shouldn't that be left up to the parents? I guess parental rights only apply when you support the cause.

We have age limits on few things.

Drivers license--16

Voting--18

Drinking--21

Firearms--18-21 depending on the weapon

I don't see a reason why this couldn't be one. Social Media has been linked to mental health problems with kids.

Social Media and Youth Mental Health — Current Priorities of the U.S. Surgeon General

This Advisory describes the current evidence on the impacts of social media on the mental health of children and adolescents.

www.hhs.gov

Seems reasonable to me.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Like most of the rest of his “agenda,” this will be another loss for Meatball Ron after several months of litigation and millions in attorneys fees paid for by our FL peeps.

Why? It was a bill passed by the legislature and signed by a governor; isn’t that how ‘democracy’ works? None of that executive order BS?

 

[sober_teacher]

Fair enough.

I think a cutoff for kids under 14 would be easier to enforce.

Relying on tech companies to do the right thing is wishful thinking IMO.

Oh I wouldn’t be relying on them to do the right thing, I mean legislation that compels them to do so.

I’m also a tad dubious that kids wouldn’t be able to figure out a workaround - I’ve never noticed much in the way of safeguards to validate if someone is honest regarding their age for a site. What’s to prevent a kid from lying when asked their date of birth?

 

[Tom Paris]

We have age limits on few things.

Drivers license--16

Voting--18

Drinking--21

I don't see a reason why this couldn't be one. Social Media has been linked to mental health problems with kids.

Social Media and Youth Mental Health — Current Priorities of the U.S. Surgeon General

This Advisory describes the current evidence on the impacts of social media on the mental health of children and adolescents.

www.hhs.gov

Seems reasonable to me.

Yep...suicide rates skyrocked immediately after the release of the first smart phone.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Oh I wouldn’t be relying on them to do the right thing, I mean legislation that compels them to do so.

I’m also a tad dubious that kids wouldn’t be able to figure out a workaround - I’ve never noticed much in the way of safeguards to validate if someone is honest regarding their age for a site. What’s to prevent a kid from lying when asked their date of birth?

Kids have workarounds for the drinking age limit

Nothing is full proof but I think there's plenty of evidence as far as the effect on childrens mental health to make the attempt.

Won't be a panacea...but worth the attempt IMO.

 

[sober_teacher]

Kids have workarounds for the drinking age limit

Nothing is full proof but I think there's plenty of evidence as far as the effect on childrens mental health to make the attempt.

Won't be a panacea...but worth the attempt IMO.

hopefully.

 

[theiacowtipper]

Children under 14 shouldn't have social media accounts.

That is a decision for parents. Not the state.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Why? It was a bill passed by the legislature and signed by a governor; isn’t that how ‘democracy’ works? None of that executive order BS?

Because the bill requires adults prove their age to use a legal product;

Because the First Amendment prohibits the states from making laws abridging the freedom of speech;

To start with ….

 

[Finance85]

Children under 14 shouldn't have social media accounts.

That's your opinion. You can obviously restrict your own children if that's how you feel about it.

Adults shouldn't have to prove their age to access social media. The very news site that I linked allows comments on the story.

 

[Finance85]

While I understand what you're saying, but they can't legally own a gun till 21. If you look at what social media has done to the general population of adults, putting that in the minds of not fully developed minds can be advantageous to they're future. Social media has really screwed up America. Why it's useful, it has also caused far more damage than it has good. IMO.

The last thing I want is a government agency deciding on what I can see, or my child can see. That's up to me, for myself, and for a minor child.

 

[Finance85]

We have age limits on few things.

Drivers license--16

Voting--18

Drinking--21

Firearms--18-21 depending on the weapon

I don't see a reason why this couldn't be one. Social Media has been linked to mental health problems with kids.

Social Media and Youth Mental Health — Current Priorities of the U.S. Surgeon General

This Advisory describes the current evidence on the impacts of social media on the mental health of children and adolescents.

www.hhs.gov

Seems reasonable to me.

Except that adults have to also prove their age.

Except that virtually anything can be labeled "social media", including this forum.

 

[goldmom]

Ya can't fix stupid, but you already knew this.

You’re right. We see examples of it every day from the usual suspects on this board.

 

[goldmom]

The last thing I want is a government agency deciding on what I can see, or my child can see. That's up to me, for myself, and for a minor child.

I agree. But we seem to have an explosion in bad horrible absentee clueless parenting.
Ideas for a fix?

 

[goldmom]

That is a decision for parents. Not the state.

So a parent can decide their 13 year old is a good driver and cut ‘em loose?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

That is a decision for parents. Not the state.

ok

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Except that adults have to also prove their age.

Except that virtually anything can be labeled "social media", including this forum.

I wouldn't want a 14 year old on this forum

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

That's your opinion. You can obviously restrict your own children if that's how you feel about it.

Adults shouldn't have to prove their age to access social media. The very news site that I linked allows comments on the story.

Valid.

We have a mental health crisis amongst kids that has been linked pretty conclusively to social media.

How do we as a society do about that?

You seem to advocate for the status quo (parents job).

That obviously isn't working.

 

[SoProudNole]

I wouldn't want a 14 year old on this forum

I’m pretty sure it’s full of them.

 

[goldmom]

I’m pretty sure it’s full of them.

At times I agree.

 

[theiacowtipper]

So a parent can decide their 13 year old is a good driver and cut ‘em loose?

Completely different. A 13 year old may very well be a threat to society when driving the car. The state has a responsibility to ensure they can perform adequately. Social media is something parents can and should regulate on their own.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

I’m pretty sure it’s full of them.

Now I'm REALLY concerned about the kids

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Social media is something parents can and should regulate on their own.

A large percentage don't.

Guess we're F'd.

 

[Finance85]

I agree. But we seem to have an explosion in bad horrible absentee clueless parenting.
Ideas for a fix?

Sterilization? ::sarcasm::

So we want some government official, who might also be a bad parent in their own right, making decisions for all parents?

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Because the bill requires adults prove their age to use a legal product;

Because the First Amendment prohibits the states from making laws abridging the freedom of speech;

To start with ….

Sure thing, dude.

Free speech is an illusion. The concept was sold to help feed America’s superiority complex - their ‘exceptionalism’ - as Flush Limbaugh used to call it.

 

[Flie]

Mah freedoms!

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Sure thing, dude.

Free speech is an illusion. The concept was sold to help feed America’s superiority complex - their ‘exceptionalism’ - as Flush Limbaugh used to call it.

Um, okay. Good talk Russ.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

While I understand what you're saying, but they can't legally own a gun till 21. If you look at what social media has done to the general population of adults, putting that in the minds of not fully developed minds can be advantageous to they're future. Social media has really screwed up America. Why it's useful, it has also caused far more damage than it has good. IMO.

So have guns. And soda. And bread. And religion. and atheism. Everything is bad without self governance. Big government nanny state liberal bullshit is all it is. Saving us from ourselves. No thanks.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Won't be a panacea...but worth the attempt IMO.

I wish a large majority of the country felt this way about gun control