Florida GOP has nothing better to do

[BioHawk]

I actually don't have any issues with the idea of what they are trying to do. Banning social media accounts is hardly the first thing we don't allow children to do. We also don't allow them to smoke, drink alcohol, or drive cars. I'm just not sure how enforceable this law is.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

I wish a large majority of the country felt this way about gun control

I do.

I wish most folks weren't opposed to legislation based to a large degree on which party proposed it.

 

[noleclone2]

I don't quite follow that kids are getting their fix of porn from social media vs simply looking at the bazillion free porn sites out there.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

Children under 14 shouldn't have social media accounts.

People over 60 having access to social media has had more of a negative effect on society than teens having access.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Yes, I'm calling out DeSantis and the Florida legislature. What they are leaving out of the story us that everyone, including adults, adults will have to prove their age.

DeSantis signs bill that bans Florida children under 14 from having social media accounts​

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (CBS12) — Florida is set to tighten restrictions on minors using social media under a bill signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday

The bill will prohibit children under 14 from having social media accounts and will require parental permission for 14- and 15- year-olds. This comes after DeSantis vetoed a similar bill under the same name earlier this month.

At the conference DeSantis spoke of the risks social media poses on children, particularly the threat of human traffickers who use these platforms as a tool to find victims.

The governor signed HB 3, or the Online Protections for Minors bill, while backed by various local and state leaders at a conference in Jacksonville.
Among the attendees was Florida Speaker of the House, Paul Renner, (R-District 19), who has made the bill one of his top legislative priorities.

"None of us can be on the sidelines when it comes to social media -- when it comes to the hard-core pornography our children are being exposed to," Renner said.

The house speaker enumerated some of the dangers of social media, such as its impact on their mental health.

"What we have addressed are the addictive features that are at the heart of why children stay on these platforms for hours and hours on end," Renner said of the bill.

Renner also rebuked the argument that the bill might infringe on First Amendment rights. He said the bill doesn't wouldn't violate freedom of speech rights because it doesn't focus on the content of speech, but on the "addictive technology."

Another speaker was Florida Senator Erin Grall (R-District), who urged the audience to consider social media's impact on parents and their responsibilities.

"They have made our parenting difficult by addicting our children," Grall said of social media companies.

https://weartv.com/news/local/desan...n-under-14-from-having-social-media-accounts#

This is them and the entire GOP for years. Welcome to the party.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

People over 60 having access to social media has had more of a negative effect on society than teens having access.

Fair enough.

 

[Finance85]

This is them and the entire GOP for years. Welcome to the party.

WTF are you talking about? My philosophy hasn't changed.

 

[BioHawk]

People over 60 having access to social media has had more of a negative effect on society than teens having access.

This is actually true. Although in the case of kids it isn't so much the effect on society as it is the effect on kids themselves. Childhood anxiety rates have skyrocketed with the introduction of social media and I don't have the numbers in front of me but I think suicide has gone up as well. Not to mention the harm it is doing to their education as they are constantly interrupted at school with these things. I know, "don't get your kid a phone". The problem with that is there aren't pay phones anywhere and as we (my family) found out, the expectation in schools by the time they reach junior high is that kids will have access to a phone.

 

[DFSNOLE]

perhaps we should let minors buy porn mags? Why have age restrictions on anything? Let's just leave everything up to the parents.

You had a completely different opinion when it came to parents/children and Covid mitigation efforts?

Shouldn't that be left up to the parents? I guess parental rights only apply when you support the cause.

 

[Finance85]

Why? It was a bill passed by the legislature and signed by a governor; isn’t that how ‘democracy’ works? None of that executive order BS?

We have the first amendment in this country. That's a right that can't be taken away by politicians.

 

[Finance85]

Valid.

We have a mental health crisis amongst kids that has been linked pretty conclusively to social media.

How do we as a society do about that?

You seem to advocate for the status quo (parents job).

That obviously isn't working.

And you think it's better to have some faceless and nameless bureaucrat making these decisions? How do you think that will work? Did you notice what happened during COVID?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

And you think it's better to have some faceless and nameless bureaucrat making these decisions? How do you think that will work? Did you notice what happened during COVID?

It's a single decision. Make the age limit 14.

Pretty cut and dried.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

We have the first amendment in this country. That's a right that can't be taken away by politicians.

That’s the way it should be, but ultimately the government has supreme power to take our ‘rights’ away from us whenever they feel like it.

Shoulda used an emoji to indicate some sarcasm.

 

[goldmom]

And you think it's better to have some faceless and nameless bureaucrat making these decisions? How do you think that will work? Did you notice what happened during COVID?

If only more parents were as involved as you but you know that’s not the case.
It reminds me of grade school when some of the kids would misbehave and the teacher said okay NO ONE gets recess today because those four in the back won’t behave.
So we all got punished. 😡

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

I wouldn't want a 14 year old on this forum

They would probably be better than magats.

 

[Finance85]

It's a single decision. Make the age limit 14.

Pretty cut and dried.

How will those folks know how old you are?

 

[RNHawk]

Like most of the rest of his “agenda,” this will be another loss for Meatball Ron after several months of litigation and millions in attorneys fees paid for by our FL peeps.

Like with Disney?

 

[RileyHawk]

First it was that damn rock and roll music that was ruining our kids. Then it was TV. Then it was video games.

I don't care if they try to put an age limit on social media or not. It's a simpleminded attempt to resolve a complex issue that ends up being mostly political fodder.

The measures some schools have taken to ban the use of phones during school unless expressly allowed makes a lot of sense but I doubt that gets adopted widely.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Like with Disney?

Gonna ignore all the losses and focus on the win - which is on appeal?

I like it.

 

[goldmom]

Gonna ignore all the losses and focus on the win - which is on appeal?

I like it.

It’s funny cause no one talks about that anymore. Disney has other yuuuuge issues they’re dealing with.
Nelson Peltz says hi.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

The Trump/Biden ‘just us’ system doesn’t give two craps about free speech so why should Florida?

Trump's CIA Director Pompeo, Targeting WikiLeaks, Explicitly Threatens Speech and Press Freedoms

Why is the U.S. press corps so silent about an actual threat to press freedom?

theintercept.com

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

They would probably be better than magats.

I was thinking about the children!!!

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

I was think about the children!!!

Maybe to think about grammar you try?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Maybe to think about grammar you try?

Bad at typing I am!!!

 

[billanole]

perhaps we should let minors buy porn mags? Why have age restrictions on anything? Let's just leave everything up to the parents.

Oh lawsey. Porn mags are gonna warp young minds!! You musta missed Playboy and Penthouse. Whatever helps your cause.

 

[kcnole63]

I agree. But we seem to have an explosion in bad horrible absentee clueless parenting.
Ideas for a fix?

If the parenting is that bad, taking away social media access will not make much difference with how the child develops or behaves. I wish I had an answer to the problem ( I guess forced sterilization for bad parents is not an option).

 

[kcnole63]

I do.

I wish most folks weren't opposed to legislation based to a large degree on which party proposed it.

Or for legislation based mainly on which party proposed it.

 

[abby97]

Oh I wouldn’t be relying on them to do the right thing, I mean legislation that compels them to do so.

I’m also a tad dubious that kids wouldn’t be able to figure out a workaround - I’ve never noticed much in the way of safeguards to validate if someone is honest regarding their age for a site. What’s to prevent a kid from lying when asked their date of birth?

Probably very little, but we don't decide not to create laws society feels are needed, just because someone will or might find a way to avoid the law in the future.

 

[sober_teacher]

Probably very little, but we don't decide not to create laws society feels are needed, just because someone will or might find a way to avoid the law in the future.

You realize this is an argument we see often regarding gun control also, right?

 

[Finance85]

Probably very little, but we don't decide not to create laws society feels are needed, just because someone will or might find a way to avoid the law in the future.

We do have a responsibility to only create laws that are constitutional. There's that pesky first amendment.

 

[abby97]

We do have a responsibility to only create laws that are constitutional. There's that pesky first amendment.

Maybe the law is unconstitutional and maybe it isn't, that's for the courts to decide. However, if laws against children viewing porn are constitutional, why would a law like this be any different?

 

[sober_teacher]

Maybe the law is unconstitutional and maybe it isn't, that's for the courts to decide. However, if laws against children viewing porn are constitutional, why would a law like this be any different?

Laws regarding porn tho are quite specific. This is involving social media platforms which is far broader and involves speech in general.

 

[RileyHawk]

Maybe the law is unconstitutional and maybe it isn't, that's for the courts to decide. However, if laws against children viewing porn are constitutional, why would a law like this be any different?

What is the law against children viewing porn? What do the children get charged with?

 

[goldmom]

Laws regarding porn tho are quite specific. This is involving social media platforms which is far broader and involves speech in general.

Arguments from all sides on this bring up valid points but this social media platform explosion has brought in more questions than humans have ever dealt with before. The geniuses among us have created AI which is already being used and abused for not so positive outcomes-not to mention psychological maneuvering.
I try to avoid social media ( unless it’s message boards like this 🤔) and I only do Facebook because it’s where us old folks see our friends and their grandkids and frankly learn about who’s still upright. (I’ve lost two friends in the last three months and wouldn’t have known if not for their families posting it on FB)
No Twitter or TikTok or Instagram. Too much to keep up with and too much of a time waster.
Children do not need to spend hours and hours on an IPad.

 

[RileyHawk]

Arguments from all sides on this bring up valid points but this social media platform explosion has brought in more questions than humans have ever dealt with before. The geniuses among us have created AI which is already being used and abused for not so positive outcomes-not to mention psychological maneuvering.
I try to avoid social media ( unless it’s message boards like this 🤔) and I only do Facebook because it’s where us old folks see our friends and their grandkids and frankly learn about who’s still upright. (I’ve lost two friends in the last three months and wouldn’t have known if not for their families posting it on FB)
No Twitter or TikTok or Instagram. Too much to keep up with and too much of a time waster.
Children do not need to spend hours and hours on an IPad.

So - social media is OK for old folks like you, but not for young people?

The hypocrisy, as usual, is tremendously high with you.

 

[goldmom]

So - social media is OK for old folks like you, but not for young people?

The hypocrisy, as usual, is tremendously high with you.

How so? Adults can make all sorts of decisions that children aren’t yet capable of.
If you see it differently I’m not at all surprised.