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Florida removes sociology as core course option for public colleges

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Florida will no longer allow a sociology course to count toward students’ graduation requirements at state universities, replacing it with a class that officials say will teach “factual history” in a decision critics say was fueled by political motivations.

The 17-member Florida Board of Governors, which oversees public universities in the state, on Wednesday removed a “Principles of Sociology” class from its list of approved core course options, despite outcry from some sociology professors. The board replaced the sociology requirement with a course called “Introductory Survey to 1877,” which members said will provide a “historically accurate account of America’s founding, the horrors of slavery, the resulting Civil War, and the Reconstruction Era.”

When asked about the change, a spokesperson for Florida Education Commissioner Manny Diaz Jr. referred The Washington Post to a December tweet in which he claimed sociology had been “hijacked by left-wing activists and no longer serves its intended purpose.”



State universities, he added in the tweet, would “focus on preparing students for high-demand, high-wage jobs, not woke ideology.”
The American Sociological Association said in a statement Thursday that it was “outraged” by the change, which it argued stemmed from “a gross misunderstanding of sociology as an illegitimate discipline driven by ‘radical’ and ‘woke’ ideology.” The organization, which had previously written a public comment against the change, urged the Florida Board of Governors to reinstate sociology as a core course, saying the subject is “at the core of civic literacy.”
“Failure to prioritize the scientific study of the causes and consequences of human behavior is a failure of Florida’s commitment to providing high-quality civics education and workforce readiness,” the American Sociological Association said.
Most of the Board of Governors’ 17 members are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the state senate to serve seven-year terms. Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) appointed a majority of the current board members.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) throws pens into the crowd after signing education bills at Cambridge Christian school in Tampa on May 17, 2023. (Thomas Simonetti/For The Washington Post)
Wednesday’s decision, which applies to the state university system’s 12 schools and more than 430,000 students, is the latest in a series of changes to Florida classrooms, which for years have been subject to restrictions on what can be taught about race, racism, history, sexual orientation and gender identity at both the K-12 and college levels.


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The state has seen several high-profile fights over allegedly “woke” courses that conservatives claim reflect the ideological priorities of the political left. Many of these conflicts first centered on K-12 offerings.

Last year, Florida refused to accept a newly created Advanced Placement course on Black history, with a spokeswoman for the Florida Department of Education saying it “lacks educational value and is contrary to Florida law.” DeSantis blasted the class as “woke.” Florida also rejected a host of math and social studies textbooks for alleged references to prohibited subjects, including “critical race theory,” a legal framework examining systemic racism which has become a conservative catchall for politically motivated teaching about race.

 
I took Sociology 101 in college. It was funny but also annoying.

The professor was basically a Marxist. The entire course was her pushing her left wing views.

She said one gem in class: "When you walk into low income areas and see people standing on the corner, they're looking for day jobs."

The entire class was basically how society shapes everything humans do and we have no free will because of it.

I got an A+ in the class because I told them everything they wanted to hear.

I got a 100% on the first exam which was basically "George Bush bad." The commie TA with spiked hair called it out in front of the small group.

I never got 100% on any other college test. 😆

CSB.
 
I'll confess im not entirely clear what this actually means. If it means there's no longer a requirement to take a sociology course, that's ok withme. If it means a sociology 101 course somehow no longer satisfies a social science core requirement, that's kind of silly.

But sociology is 15% unique knowledge, 20% covered in psych, and 65% bullshit.
 
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I took Sociology 101 in college. It was funny but also annoying.

The professor was basically a Marxist. The entire course was her pushing her left wing views.

She said one gem in class: "When you walk into low income areas and see people standing on the corner, they're looking for day jobs."

The entire class was basically how society shapes everything humans do and we have no free will because of it.

I got an A+ in the class because I told them everything they wanted to hear.

I got a 100% on the first exam which was basically "George Bush bad." The commie TA with spiked hair called it out in front of the small group.

I never got 100% on any other college test. 😆

CSB.
I did not take sociology in college (my marxist equivalent there was "The Political Novel" with Sharon O'Brien, whose thesis was that 'everything's political' and who made us read a harlequin romance (any one of our choosing) for the course) as an example of somethign reinforcing societal values. She had hairy armpits and would sweat through her clothes in the late spring.

But i did take a sociology course in high school, and it was taught by a guy who was most definitely not a marxist. In fact, he was the son of a church of god minister, and the football coach. In one unit, he and the other football coaches drove us around central pennsylvania for a morning to see what different level income neighborhoods and towns looked like. As we finished walking around a transitional neighborhood in dowtown Harrisburg that had been just outside the zone of teh 68 riots, he called out, loudly, to the other coach, in the middle of a busy street, "OK AL, GET THEM ALL IN THE VANS, WE'RE GONNA GO UP TO THE SLUMS NOW!!!!" In another unit on 'deviant behavior', he began the class by writing on the board "Types of Homos". It was on the unit test.
 
I took Sociology 101 in college. It was funny but also annoying.

The professor was basically a Marxist. The entire course was her pushing her left wing views.

She said one gem in class: "When you walk into low income areas and see people standing on the corner, they're looking for day jobs."

The entire class was basically how society shapes everything humans do and we have no free will because of it.

I got an A+ in the class because I told them everything they wanted to hear.

I got a 100% on the first exam which was basically "George Bush bad." The commie TA with spiked hair called it out in front of the small group.

I never got 100% on any other college test. 😆

CSB.
What percentage of this actually happened?
 
Can I say I don't fully trust either side here?

I don't trust Ron Desantis's hand picked board of governors complaining about a college class being "hijacked by left wing activists"

But I don't entirely trust the field of sociology either. To me it sounds like a great deal of unprovable and untestable hypotheses that just tend to play to people's biases.

I mean if I'm wrong show me where I'm wrong and they have done experiments that can definitively prove beyond a reasonable doubt the hypotheses in sociology.
 
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Sociology is amongst the most useless majors offered by colleges and universities. Graduate with a degree in Sociology and then tell me what job you're going to pursue.

I took a few of these classes as electives several years back. It was basically a DNC committee meeting. Might as well have called it the 'Young Democrats" club.

And I've stated this on here before. I intentionally had to write papers in a way to please the horrible person who was instructing the courses. Anything less than total compliance would have resulted in a poor grade. So I played the game.
 
Sociology is amongst the most useless majors offered by colleges and universities. Graduate with a degree in Sociology and then tell me what job you're going to pursue.

I took a few of these classes as electives several years back. It was basically a DNC committee meeting. Might as well have called it the 'Young Democrats" club.

And I've stated this on here before. I intentionally had to write papers in a way to please the horrible person who was instructing the courses. Anything less than total compliance would have resulted in a poor grade. So I played the game.
I’m sorry for the fact that your college had horrible sociology faculty.
 
Way back. In old days, I had six semester hours of sociology. It was entirely issues based in the discussion and really didn’t promote any kind of ideology. This is sad
I took at least that many hours back in the day at FSU. Frankly I don’t recall specific material which might be considered extreme to one degree or another.
It was during some pretty turbulent times and IIRC there were some discussions that became intense but I do remember that differing opinions were offered and tolerated.
If the syllabus or texts or readings are considered one sided or extreme by today’s standards I can’t say. Are those publicly available?
 
Sociology is amongst the most useless majors offered by colleges and universities. Graduate with a degree in Sociology and then tell me what job you're going to pursue.

I took a few of these classes as electives several years back. It was basically a DNC committee meeting. Might as well have called it the 'Young Democrats" club.

And I've stated this on here before. I intentionally had to write papers in a way to please the horrible person who was instructing the courses. Anything less than total compliance would have resulted in a poor grade. So I played the game.
OK, guy outs himself as just a straight-up liar with this post.
 
BTW I disagree about Sociology being “useless”.
Taken at its most basic level it brings “young skulls full of mush” from all backgrounds and demographics into a space where they find out (some for the first time) that not everyone is like them, or their family, or their high school friends. And it (used to) have a useful purpose in that regard.
Have a certain stance you’ve held since you were little and you believe it because it’s what you were taught by your parents, or at your church, or at your school, and now someone in your class is expressing an opinion you think is wrong? Learn to listen to what they are saying think about it, and then speak up and say what you think and defend why you think it. Or realize they have a good point and adjust your position accordingly.
Isn’t that one of the skills we’re supposed to pick up in college that proves valuable all through life? Is it one that’s become rare of late?
You cannot convince me it’s no longer a valuable skill.
 
And I've stated this on here before. I intentionally had to write papers in a way to please the horrible person who was instructing the courses. Anything less than total compliance would have resulted in a poor grade. So I played the game.

So your are telling us what what already know.

Your arguments are so weak that you can not back them up in an academic paper, so you just parrot someone else and hope to get by.
 
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It was am unnecessary inclusion/cash grab from the universities in the first place.
 
Imagine Chis, Tom Paris or Mitch as the professor.

Most of credit hours was spent in teaching and liberal arts classes. Plenty of classmates and teachers that I did not see eye to eye with.

Spent many hours discussing and writing about the other...hell had one prof that referenced the bourgeoisie at least 20 times an hour.

Have taken women studies classes, few post Colonial Theory classes. I sought out classes that would challenge my point of views...I was not going to waste my time with some prof that was just going to reinforce my views.

I also had no problem writing academic papers...so I could take my positions and be able to back it up with rock solid evidence.

Hell I once wrote a 20 page paper on Hero...that the prof wanted to get published...and she only had 44 lines.
 
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I took at least that many hours back in the day at FSU. Frankly I don’t recall specific material which might be considered extreme to one degree or another.
It was during some pretty turbulent times and IIRC there were some discussions that became intense but I do remember that differing opinions were offered and tolerated.
If the syllabus or texts or readings are considered one sided or extreme by today’s standards I can’t say. Are those publicly available?
In iowa they are. I can’t look it up right now but if you google student learning outcomes Iowa colleges and universities you should be able to search for a course and find the outcomes.
 
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State universities, he added in the tweet, would “focus on preparing students for high-demand, high-wage jobs, not woke ideology.”
And his solution is to swap in a history course for a period ending in 1887???

I'm sure that's right. Whenever I was hiring I was looking for people with strong pre-1877 history credentials. Doesn't everyone?
 
You come across like the writers/actors in porn movies set at colleges. It's so obvious you haven't been within a zillion miles of an actual liberal arts college classroom in your life.

Maybe you went to Community College or some kind of Tech school? And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! Just stop making shit up about stuff you obviously know nothing about.

"DNC Committee"? "Young Democrats Club"? LOFL.
 
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Sociology is amongst the most useless majors offered by colleges and universities. Graduate with a degree in Sociology and then tell me what job you're going to pursue.

I took a few of these classes as electives several years back. It was basically a DNC committee meeting. Might as well have called it the 'Young Democrats" club.

And I've stated this on here before. I intentionally had to write papers in a way to please the horrible person who was instructing the courses. Anything less than total compliance would have resulted in a poor grade. So I played the game.
You must have found it challenging in college with all the left-wing bias.

I imagine it was tough having to write papers saying that slavery was bad, or that evolution was real. These days, you'd have to pretend that climate change is something we should address.
 
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You come across like the writers/actors in porn movies set at colleges. It's so obvious you haven't been within a zillion miles of an actual liberal arts college classroom in your life.

Maybe you went to Community College or some kind of Tech school? And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! Just stop making shit up about stuff you obviously know nothing about.

"DNC Committee"? "Young Democrats Club"? LOFL.

What makes it obvious in your mind?

You can stomp your feet all you want. It's not going to make my educational background any less real.
 
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I disagree with this move.

It is better to keep all Sociology professors locked up in a classroom teaching soc to uncommitted psychology majors and future teachers than out in the real world where they would fall flat on their face trying to manage projects, meet deadlines, achieve quotas.
 
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Sociology is amongst the most useless majors offered by colleges and universities. Graduate with a degree in Sociology and then tell me what job you're going to pursue.

I took a few of these classes as electives several years back. It was basically a DNC committee meeting. Might as well have called it the 'Young Democrats" club.

And I've stated this on here before. I intentionally had to write papers in a way to please the horrible person who was instructing the courses. Anything less than total compliance would have resulted in a poor grade. So I played the game.

🤣

Nobody believes this.
 
Sociology is amongst the most useless majors offered by colleges and universities. Graduate with a degree in Sociology and then tell me what job you're going to pursue.

I took a few of these classes as electives several years back. It was basically a DNC committee meeting. Might as well have called it the 'Young Democrats" club.

And I've stated this on here before. I intentionally had to write papers in a way to please the horrible person who was instructing the courses. Anything less than total compliance would have resulted in a poor grade. So I played the game.
So, Sociology didn't warp your brain or completely change how you think?

I guess the instructor didn't do his/her job correctly then.

:rolleyes:
 
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But I don't entirely trust the field of sociology either. To me it sounds like a great deal of unprovable and untestable hypotheses that just tend to play to people's biases.

I mean if I'm wrong show me where I'm wrong and they have done experiments that can definitively prove beyond a reasonable doubt the hypotheses in sociology.
College education is supposed to teach kids how to think, not just fill your head with proven facts, A variety of different thought provoking courses is important to accomplish that goal.

There is no way that a 3 credit hour course is going to brainwash anyone.
 
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