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Florida to Feds: Allow cruise ships to sail or we'll sue....

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FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis ripped into the federal government's continued pandemic ban on cruise ships using U.S. ports, threatening Friday to file a lawsuit if one of the state's biggest tourism sectors is not allowed to resume operations soon.

Appearing at Port Canaveral with leaders from Carnival, Norwegian, Disney and Royal Caribbean cruise lines, DeSantis and Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody said they are exploring the state's legal options if the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention does not allow U.S.-based cruising to resume by summer.

The state is the nation's cruise capital with three of the world's busiest ports: Miami, Port Canaveral near Kennedy Space Center, and Port Everglades near Fort Lauderdale. Millions typically cruise from Florida each year and the industry generates billions for the state's economy.

DeSantis said the continued ban is only hurting Florida with no effect on the pandemic as cruising is resuming elsewhere in the world and Americans are flying to the nearby Bahamas to board ships.

“Is it OK for the government to just idle an industry for a year?” the Republican governor said. He said people now need to decide for themselves what they are willing to risk.

The CDC shut down the cruise industry a year ago when several coronavirus outbreaks were tied to ships worldwide. DeSantis and industry leaders argued Friday that with widespread testing and vaccines becoming more available, the danger is now no worse than air and train travel, which are open. Cruising has resumed with restrictions and protocols in much of the world with the industry leaders saying there have been no new outbreaks tied to their ships.

The CDC did not immediately respond to an email Friday seeking comment. It issued guidelines in October that require cruise ships conduct mock voyages to test procedures and have onboard testing labs before passengers would be allowed, but no further guidance has been issued, leaving the ban effectively in place.

Cindy Prins, a University of Florida epidemiologist, defended the ban, saying it is still too early for cruise ships to operate. Unlike other modes of transportation, families and groups on cruises mingle and dine together for long periods, increasing the likelihood of spread, she said, and testing and symptom screening are not perfect methods of prevention.

She said cruise lines would need to limit passengers and crew to those who can prove they are fully vaccinated to avoid spreading the virus. No industry leader suggested Friday that would be a requirement if they resume U.S. operations, and DeSantis expressed opposition to requiring vaccination for participation in the economy.

Moody, also a Republican, said if a lawsuit is filed, it would challenge the ban as based on medical information that is out-of-date and no longer valid.

“When you have a government that is working against the interests and vitality of its citizens it serves, that is a problem. And historically, you can see how that leads to the demise and destruction of those they are trying to govern,” Moody said.

More than 8 million passengers cruised from Florida in 2019, the last full year before the pandemic. The Cruise Lines International Association estimates that 150,000 jobs in the state are created by the industry, including dependent jobs at hotels, restaurants and airlines, generating nearly $8 billion in wages. Almost all of that has been wiped out.

Industry leaders appearing with DeSantis and Moody complained that little movement has been made in the U.S. toward reopening, even though cruises have resumed in the Caribbean, Europe, the Mediterranean, Australia and Asia.

“Let's get people back to the work. The health situation has changed,” said Thomas Mazloum, president of Disney Cruise Line. “Cruise lines are cruising very successfully outside the United States, proving that with the right protocols cruising is a very safe and beautiful experience.”

 
This is one of the industries that should take no issue with requiring a vaccine. It would benefit literally everyone. You prove ships are safe, you get those who truly want to cruise vaccinated and you keep that sector rolling. This extreme measure shit of shutting it down isn’t going to keep working. Not everything needs to have “vaccine proof” this is one that does.
 
1) Many cruise lines have announced they will be requiring vaccinations in order to cruise
2) The few cruises that have resumed in Europe are off limit to Americans
3) Cruises have not started in the Caribbean. They are scheduled to begin in June.
4) If there is an outbreak on a ship is he going to guarantee that he will allow them to port?
 
Anyone ever think that some of these cruise ships that had “ mysterious outbreaks” of crap and some deaths might have been early forerunners of C19?
There have been lots of outbreaks of food borne diseases, and respiratory diseases. My wife and I have taken a few cruises, and probably will again. But, even a few years ago we were really aware of how germy the ships are. That's with hand sanitizer everywhere. There are lots of places on a big ship to find some free space, but, there are lots of spots where people congregate in really tight quarters.
 
1) Many cruise lines have announced they will be requiring vaccinations in order to cruise
2) The few cruises that have resumed in Europe are off limit to Americans
3) Cruises have not started in the Caribbean. They are scheduled to begin in June.
4) If there is an outbreak on a ship is he going to guarantee that he will allow them to port?
My wife and I love to cruise and would not have a problem being on a ship that requires everyone to be vaccinated. If certain cruise lines/ships do not want to require vaccination, that is fine, but I will not be on them. My guess is that cruises from US ports (at least some of them) will be starting back this summer.
 
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Can someone explain the popularity of cruises to me? It ticks nearly every box of things I dislike but I know a number of people who love it.
 
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How long does the vaccine last? Experts say 3 months, maybe. Maybe longer? Maybe not. Are you planning on getting a second vaccination after 3 months?
Not at the moment....if it's recommended then yes. Get my second Moderna tomorrow.
 
This is one of the industries that should take no issue with requiring a vaccine. It would benefit literally everyone. You prove ships are safe, you get those who truly want to cruise vaccinated and you keep that sector rolling. This extreme measure shit of shutting it down isn’t going to keep working. Not everything needs to have “vaccine proof” this is one that does.
Except that DeSantis is also threatening to ban companies from requiring a vaccine passport.
 
Except that DeSantis is also threatening to ban companies from requiring a vaccine passport.
He's going to try setting law for other nations? Fine and dandy if he says they can't require for boarding, but the port locations sure as hell can require them to step on foreign soil. Id wager a guess 99.9% of folks taking a cruise would like to get off at one of the locations at least.

And let him do that, its not like Florida is the only cruise ship port in the country. More vaccinated tourists coming through NOLA would be helpful to get things back rolling along!
 
Can someone explain the popularity of cruises to me? It ticks nearly every box of things I dislike but I know a number of people who love it.
I've been on two cruises. One that was 5 nights, the other was 7. They were free, so I wasn't complaining.

Pros:
Food was fantastic. Ate at a different restaurant every night and were never once disappointed. Never went to the buffet.

Top shelf booze and amazing drinks. They also had Mich Ultra and olives.

Nightlife was awesome. One of the nightclubs played great music every night and the other was on the top of the ship under the stars. Was really cool, but not for those that get sea sick. You could really feel the ship move up there.

Everything was right there. Few minute walk to about anywhere on the ship. Enough stuff to keep you busy every night. Sports bar, piano bar, karaoke bar, martini bar, Irish bar, shows and entertainment every night. Never felt like "oh this again".

Cons:
Pools sucked.

Stops were overwhelming and expensive. You had to basically walk 100 yards through people trying to sell you anything and everything. If you did something other than walk around, it cost money.

Daytime on the ship was kinda boring. This ties in with the pools being terrible. Basically just sat in chairs while the girls layed in the sun.

Kids running around crazy all day. Tried to do mini golf and it was a mess. Kids just cutting in front of us while their trash parents get hammered and DGAF. Kids didn't seem well supervised at all.


Overall it was not a bad experience at all, but if I'm forking out 3k, I'll do a AI resort 10 times out of 10.
 
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Food was fantastic. Ate at a different restaurant every night and were never once disappointed. Never went to the buffet.
I'm not a picky eater, but I found the food at the "free" restaurants to be almost inedible. We ponied up $25 a pop for the "premium" restaurants and it was a much better experience.
 
I'm not a picky eater, but I found the food at the "free" restaurants to be almost inedible. We ponied up $25 a pop for the "premium" restaurants and it was a much better experience.
Oh, we didn't eat at the buffet or the scheduled dinner. We paid the extra money as well. Free trip, no reason not to pay the $50 a day. The first cruise we did eat in the Grand dining room when they had lobster for $5. That was really good.
 
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Can someone explain the popularity of cruises to me? It ticks nearly every box of things I dislike but I know a number of people who love it.
I am pretty similar to what you are saying, but went on a European River cruise in 2019 and it was completely phenomenal. Far less people on those cruises too. Less than 200. Being out at open sea with 2000 people or whatever those boats carry...no thanks.

European river cruise...I can't wait to do another one.
 
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No, experts do not say three months.
Did you miss the part where I said “maybe longer”? My point is, they don’t know. Notice they say “should” last...

How long will vaccine immunity last?​

Federal health authorities have not provided a definitive answer to this question.
But based on clinical trials, experts do know that vaccine-induced protection should last a minimum of about three months. That does not mean protective immunity will expire after 90 days; that was simply the time frame participants were studied in the initial Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson trials. As researchers continue to study the vaccines, that shelf life is expected to grow.

 
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Did you miss the part where I said “maybe longer”? My point is, they don’t know. Notice they say “should” last...

Did you miss where I specifically refuted your statement that "experts say three months."

No expert believe three months is a reasonable estimate - it is merely the longest time frame they've been able to test and confirm. However, even the most cautious estimate is eight to nine months; and it's reasonable to assume it could be well over a year, possibly several years.

We know those who have had COVID are immune for eight to nine months (perhaps longer, we have not had time to verify longer time frames) and we know the vaccine produces a more robust reaction and should last longer than natural immunity. So it's reasonable assumption that the vaccine will last well beyond a year. Experts do, in fact, believe we will likely get annual boosters.

If there were any chance that the vaccine only lasts three months it would be useless.
 
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I am pretty similar to what you are saying, but went on a European River cruise in 2019 and it was completely phenomenal. Far less people on those cruises too. Less than 200. Being out at open sea with 2000 people or whatever those boats carry...no thanks.

European river cruise...I can't wait to do another one.
We did a Paul Gauguin cruise in French Polynesia and it was amazing. And we are not cruise lovers by any stretch. But as with the river cruises it was a small ship and port intensive. So activity was centered off the ship and not on. I am actually working on getting a group for that ship in late 2022 because we loved it so much. But the 3000 people cruising to Jamaica and Cozumel does not interest me at all.
 
I've been on two cruises. One that was 5 nights, the other was 7. They were free, so I wasn't complaining.

Pros:
Food was fantastic. Ate at a different restaurant every night and were never once disappointed. Never went to the buffet.

Top shelf booze and amazing drinks. They also had Mich Ultra and olives.

Nightlife was awesome. One of the nightclubs played great music every night and the other was on the top of the ship under the stars. Was really cool, but not for those that get sea sick. You could really feel the ship move up there.

Everything was right there. Few minute walk to about anywhere on the ship. Enough stuff to keep you busy every night. Sports bar, piano bar, karaoke bar, martini bar, Irish bar, shows and entertainment every night. Never felt like "oh this again".

Cons:
Pools sucked.

Stops were overwhelming and expensive. You had to basically walk 100 yards through people trying to sell you anything and everything. If you did something other than walk around, it cost money.

Daytime on the ship was kinda boring. This ties in with the pools being terrible. Basically just sat in chairs while the girls layed in the sun.

Kids running around crazy all day. Tried to do mini golf and it was a mess. Kids just cutting in front of us while their trash parents get hammered and DGAF. Kids didn't seem well supervised at all.


Overall it was not a bad experience at all, but if I'm forking out 3k, I'll do a AI resort 10 times out of 10.
Cruises are definitely not for everyone. We have been on quite a few and have enjoyed most of them. There are a lot of variables to consider when planning a cruise that can make your experience more enjoyable. Some cruise lines are better than others, some ships are better than others. the time of year makes a difference (mainly avoiding a bunch of kids), and there is a big difference in destinations. Cruising to Alaska, Hawaii, or Europe on a good cruise line/ship is a much different experience than going to the Caribbean/Mexico. Decide what you like to do and see the most, and pick the cruise that best meets your needs.
 
MIAMI —
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis announced Thursday that the state is filing a lawsuit against the federal government and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention demanding the reopening of the cruise industry.

The governor said that unless the cruise industry can resume sailings from U.S. ports, people will be going to the Bahamas to get on cruise ships. He said that will lead to missed revenue for the state of Florida.


"We must allow our cruise liners and their employees to get back to work and safely set sail again," DeSantis said. "To be clear, no federal law authorizes the CDC to indefinitely impose a nationwide shutdown of an entire industry. This lawsuit is necessary to protect Floridians from the federal government's overreach and resulting economic harm to our state."

The lawsuit comes after Royal Caribbean announced that it will be resuming operations in the Bahamas.

On Wednesday, the president of Carnival Cruise Line threatened to pull all of its ships out of U.S. ports.

Carnival Cruise Line has more ships based at Port Canaveral than any other cruise company,

The industry has been shut down due to the coronavirus pandemic since March 2020.

The CDC last week issued updated guidance for the eventual return to cruises from U.S. ports.

The latest guidance from the CDC does not replace the conditional sail order issued last October but gives cruise lines a number of changes that will need to be made before test cruises begin from the U.S.

The CDC guidance requires cruise lines to establish agreements at ports where they intend to operate, implement routine testing of crew, and develop plans incorporating vaccination strategies to reduce the risk of introduction and spread of COVID-19 by crew and passengers.

 


May not matter.

"Is Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis about to lose Norwegian Cruise Lines from operating in Florida?" CNN's Alisyn Camerota asked. "Last month, DeSantis signed an executive order banning private companies from requiring proof of vaccination. Well yesterday, the CEO of Norwegian Cruises said his company may suspend cruises from Florida as a result."


But DeSantis still gets to "own the libs" I guess....
 
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