Right. Hence the use of quotes Joe. You could learn a little bit about posting from me as your use of quotes is abysmal.
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I’m saying the standards should apply equally. These cruise companies spent millions to bring their air handling to the level of airplanes and better, yet they still are held to a higher standard.
No, they should not.
The risks are not equal on a 2 hr plane flight vs a 14 day cruise.
Then people need to get vaccinated. Bottom line, if you get it you need not worry about getting or transmitting the illness. If you don’t, you do. I agree with the people lying part. I also think a state vaccine passport is far different than a company requiring proof of vaccination to board.
Yes. That's been stated many many times in this thread already.
And precisely what the cruise lines are wanting to require, over the objections of FL. And why they may stop operations there if they are legally required to take on unvaccinated passengers.
Congrats on finally catching up here!!!
Do you have a controlled study you can point to here? Or is this just another Joe hunch?
Id argue your chance of getting COVID is higher on a 2 hr booked flight vs a half capacity 14 day cruise. But I don’t know for sure. Do you?
Again a vaccine passport and proof of vaccination are different.
And yes catching up because I just finished a 12 hr shift. You know, working.
Do you have common sense?
Is a 2 hr exposure time MORE risk or LESS risk than a 14-21 day exposure time?
Be serious. Go look things up in one of those med school books (you obviously didn't read) if that helps you out.
No, they are functionally the same thing. And it's what Norwegian Cruise Lines wants to require.
And have a dozen or so dead or dying passengers you have to deal with, while trying to keep the vaccinated people on the cruise happy their cabin is next to a makeshift morgue....
Well point me to a controlled study and I’ll buy it. We know time and viral inoculum are the important aspects. If you are on a cruise for 14 days with 95% vaccinated, as NCL has proposed id submit this is less risk than a 2 hr flight with no vaccination required just a mask.
No they are not. A state requiring a vaccine passport and a company requiring proof of vaccination are not. One is voluntary the other compulsory. Not at all the same.
I’d submit a vacation is as essential as a job when you actually work a job.
100% of staff will be vaccinated?
We're lucky to get 50 percent in our NURSING HOMES!
Where are all these vaccinated staff members going to come from?
Read my post below. I’m referring to a fully vaccinated cruise vs a flight that isn’t. This isn’t hard if you take the time to listen and not assume.
As of right now, flights are happening. No vaccine proof required. Cruises are not even if they follow strict vaccination requirements for staff and passengers. That’s my beef. Unequal rules for travel.
Second, you can make whatever point you like about flights but if you think a crowded airport isn’t just as risky as a cruise you’re nuts.
You said it yourself. This virus hit here via airplanes not cruises. I agree.
The cruise lines are on record as requiring that to work. Vaccines are to be, and have started to be, administered at Port Canaveral. That’s how. No jab, no job.
That’s because you haven’t made them mandatory for employment. Pretty simple. If you had a job market that had a surplus of workers you would. Problem is no one wants a nursing home job. So you have to keep employed the ones you do have. Or else you’d have kicked to the curb those that wouldn’t vaccinate. But you can’t afford to lose employees. Correct?
Why would anyone want a cruise line job?
I think you're not looking at this realistically.
Have you ever been on a cruise? Those that work on them aren’t usually from the US. They are from Asia, Africa, the Caribbean etc. A chance to work a relatively high paying job a few months out of the year away from their families is very appealing to many. They do not typically have a hard time recruiting. At all.
Unlike nursing homes do finding quality help.
Nearly on the daily I get a patient from the nursing home where it is clear that the nurse managing them was a ****ing idiot. One just today. The nurse quality at theses place seems to be abhorrent. Or so it seems in my decades of practice anyway. Maybe not true in Florida but I suspect it is. I hope for your sake I’m wrong.
I used to work for a company that provided spa and massage therapy services on cruise ships. This was NOT an easy sell for employees. They are going to live on that boat for months. You can't have a kid, you can't have a pet, you can't have a plant. Hell, you might as well not have an apartment.
I have been on well over 10 cruises. Many of the staff have families. They sacrifice to earn a living far in excess of what they could in their home country. I don’t work in that industry but in my dozens of conversations with staff on cruises, they do not have a hiring problem. I suspect that a vaccine requirement is not a terrible burden on them making enough hires.
Open up the ports, require vaccines for staff and passengers and see how it goes. Not subject them to industry requirements that are not asked of others in travel. And when they propose standards that seem workable they are met with a let’s wait and see from the CDC. Seems arbitrary to me.
But people still get mysteriously ill on these cruises...why is that? Bad luck? Bad karma? They are obviously missing something. It is their problem to rectify. No one else’s.
Yeah, we tell our customers all about our staffing woes. 🙄
Anyway, 2021 is a lot different than whenever you went cruising.
As Haw-key said, vaccination is a condition of employment. The vast majority of employees are from 3rd world countries. The cruise lines don’t have problems getting employees. Many of these people are thankful for both the job and the vaccine.
As for vaccine passports, several organizations in the travel industry are working on creating these. They won’t be built or mandated by states but will absolutely be used by various companies and destinations as a condition of travel.
As for vaccine passports, several organizations in the travel industry are working on creating these. They won’t be built or mandated by states but will absolutely be used by various companies and destinations as a condition of travel.
And there are a million other ways to take one. A cruise is the definition of a "luxury" and offers nothing besides just a vacation. I get why its treated different than the other modes of tranportation that you mentioned.
Well I know for a fact that that is one of the things NCL has proposed. 100% of staff and 95% of passengers vaccinated. Sounds very reasonable to me.
I also don’t think Desantis’ opposition to vaccine passports includes opposition to cruises requiring vaccination. But link me to an article claiming otherwise and I’ll read it.
It hit everywhere. Those are just the two ways to get here internationally. Of course it hit both. What’s your point?
What's your point?
One is fundamentally a leisure activity, designed for social interaction and activities.
It literally caters to people who want to socialize as part of the trip.
The other is a fundamental mode of travel for business and non-business.
Yes. It does.
And if there is not a legal requirement, people will falsify documents w/o penalty.
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