Foley Friday Mailbag
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I actually think that G-Man made a big progress this year; he is wrestling great and it seems that he controls emotions much better than in the past.
As of face-mushing, he could go without it but it is not like he does it all the time. Many crazy things happen in matches and it is hard to control emotions, especially if the other guy did something nasty during the match as well.
As of face-mushing, he could go without it but it is not like he does it all the time. Many crazy things happen in matches and it is hard to control emotions, especially if the other guy did something nasty during the match as well.
A lot of times the face mush happens when you feel your opponent isn't wrestling and just trying to hang on. David Taylor used to straddle his opponents hips and beg the ref to make them open up. Maybe not the same, but I'd have to say if you call one unsportsmanlike you should call the other one is too. If Penn State fans didn't mind David Taylor showing his opponents up, why hate on G-Man?
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Quite right, and there are plenty of worse things too.
For the record, I don't like seeing the face mush or any chippy behavior after the match, but on the grand scale, Gilman's "infraction" is so so minor, it makes one wonder about the underlying agenda of those writing so much about it.
If you hate Iowa, then you write about it extensively and act horrified. At the same time, you ignore Youtsey shoving Tomasello's head into the scorer's table and many other examples.
Also, whenever it is an Iowa wrestler involved, it automatically gets expanded to include the coaches and the whole team.
I can honestly say I don't recall Clark, Carton, Grothus, Sorensen, Cooper, Rhoads, Meyer, Brooks, Burak or Stoll having any sort of record of misbehavior. One could even look at Sorensen and Burak as having exemplary sportsmanship. But then writing about that wouldn't serve the agenda.
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Here's a Penn State fan that thinks Foley is trying to make something out of nothing. Maybe hits on the website are low and he's tring to get attention...
Any Penn State fan who tries to defend Foley doesn't remember his preseason predictions with not a single Penn State wrestler in the finals. He's a hack.
Pretty much in the same boat. Would prefer our guys win and lose with some class and sportsmanship involved, but none of us knows what goes on in any given match, something that is done or said that might escalate the situation a bit for some kind of statement at match end.
It takes all kinds to make the world go round, some guys are wound tight and some appear to be sleep-walking, so it is what it is per individual. I personally think both of our Sammie's could tone it down a notch at times as well, as I've mentioned previously, but nothing I'm going to lose any sleep over, nor will I over Gilman's antics this year, which have been pretty tame IMO.
Yup. There's a reason why Clark is my favorite Hawk - very hard nosed and no excuses, but plays it straight without extracurriculars. For my team I loved the way Q comported himself, but that's almost too much to expect. What a class kid he was.
Getting to nut-cutting time (so to speak) for this season. I already cleared vacation time at work for mid-March. Everyone asked whether it's to watch the BBall tournament - I say nah. I don't even tell them I'll have 2 iPads and a TV hooked up to wrestling - they just don't understand.
Foley is being pretty lame, generating clicks, and using Iowa/Gilman as a convenient punching bag. That said, I don't think Gilman gives two sh*ts.
The clown is the Colin Cowherd of college wrestling. Reminds me of a
lost puppy... Would rather be beaten than ignored.
lost puppy... Would rather be beaten than ignored.
Shame on you........beatin on puppies.
Got a couple Doberman friends that want to get ahold....I mean "meat" you.
Been a proud
I'm sure they're fine pups... Been a proud Labrador owner and lover my whole life. Don't need you calling the ASPCA on me cause I think Foley's a jagbag Kwood!; )
Shame on you........beatin on puppies.
Got a couple Doberman friends that want to get ahold....I mean "meat" you.
I'm sure they're fine pups... Been a proud Labrador owner and lover my whole life. Don't need you calling the ASPCA on me cause I think Foley's a jagbag Kwood!; )
Did anybody ever think that the face-mushing is a habit that Gilman does. Every time he goes to let a guy up, he pushes down on the head to control him on the way up. Keep the head down, stop unpredictable shots on the way up. It happens a lot on a controlled releases...at least three times in the Wiscy match.
I believe that you should give nothing to the opponent. No mercy. Wrench on that head and neck all day long. Make them work for everything they get. Gilman has executed all year long so far just like he is taught. Keep up the hard work young man! Looking good
If you watch Retherford take out TShirt....he does this quite a bit.
Berger from Nebraska shoved Cooper down hard after the whistle. It was enough for the refs to call an unsportsmanlike penalty on Nebraska and deduct a team point.
I wonder if we'll hear a peep about this from Foley?
I wonder if we'll hear a peep about this from Foley?
Foley's Friday Mailbag should now be referred to as:
"Foley Is A Friggin Douchebag"
"Foley Is A Friggin Douchebag"
Hate that pretty selfish wrestling there.
I understand punishing but this classless.
Maybe BS can give him a taste.
At Penn State that's considered "fun", at Iowa it's "crossing the line"!
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Here's my guess...
This one will fall into the abyss.... to be forgotten forever.
Not an Iowa wrestler? Then it is of no concern. It will not be written about by Foley with concern for the lessons it teaches children or making the Nebraska wrestler less talented and a lesser human being. And no devoted 3 page thread on themat forum with name calling and impugning the team and coaches.
Would agree with OneRough--You already trashed your opponent so act like you have been there before. I realize you're hyped up but just run off the mat and slap your teammates hands and get them revered up for the next match. Go Hawks
I know I am in the minority here, but as a former sports writer and now current corporate marketing communicator of 20 years, I don't have a big problem with the piece. Now, I think he could have summarized his rambling in about two sentences and the article itself is not well written ... And was a little too much of the author being on his soap box ... I think some of his points are valid ... I think he just rambled too much ... And the guy does not appear to have any journalism background whatsoever ...
I think both Willie & CP from Flo summed it up best on the PSU board and CP on twitter. Foley is an advocate for sportsmanship so his concerns for the sport are truely legit, however he went to far to point out one person. Foley could have written the article on sportsmanship and gave examples above and beyond just a facemush without calling out anyone. He could have easily called out J'den Cox for that out of bounds stuff a few weeks back if he was singling out elite individuals to validate his point to drive it home.. its like he was waiting for an Iowa guy for his gus goodsport article.
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this!
singling out one guy while ignoring worse infractions makes the author look biased
I'm not going to let what Tr Foley thinks ruin my day. To each their own. I'm fairly certain this won't sway any potential recruits away. People are familiar with Gilman and either like it or don't. I also doubt a ton of youth read Foley so all this boils down to Foley making Gilman a goat for his cause.
I would probably throw a punch if somebody pushed my face into the mat after the match. Just because you kick my ass on the mat sure doesn't mean you can kick my ass off of it.
While not smart mike is kinda right. Better to keep your cool if someone pushes after the match but sometimes adrenaline, testosterone and your ego can get the best of you.
Foley is mostly just a fool for only using Iowa as an example. If he wants to stop all of this type of stuff, good for him. Just don't act like Iowa is the only place that it happens. And also don't act like all the Iowa guys do it. The vast majority of guys that wrestled and wrestle at Iowa never did this stuff.
Actually, it probably does. It's part of wrestling. If it wasn't it would be some type of penalty like they do for unsportsmanlike conduct, which we saw Sunday when Nebraska lost a team point. I could see them trying to make it some type of infraction, but it would be tough to enforce. It's very common to use your opponent to get up off the mat when on top, but the head crunch is definitely by design. I never did it, but I would have been afraid of what my coach would have done to me.
So how many teams other than Iowa have lost points for unsportmanlike conduct this year? Problem with that is we all know you get more buzz when you use Iowa.
After I posted this I realize it may look like I was including Iowa with teams that have lost points. That is not the case as far as I remember.
After I posted this I realize it may look like I was including Iowa with teams that have lost points. That is not the case as far as I remember.
I never had an issue with his position on the face mush. Although it isn't a big deal to me, I can definitely see how it would be to others. My issue was his singling Gilman out and his conclusions about the qualitity of wrestler(ignoring he is undefeated), and even worse, the lack of quality as a person he labeled Gilman with BASED on those actions. To me that was borderline slanderous.
He could have pointed out the incident, listed all the reasons he disliked it and moved on. Instead he made it a personal attack on someone he doesn't even know in the slightest. Judging the guy's style is completely acceptable. You can easily access the data necessary to do so. Judging the guy's character is unacceptable based on the lack of information available to actually know what the hell you are talking about...................
He could have pointed out the incident, listed all the reasons he disliked it and moved on. Instead he made it a personal attack on someone he doesn't even know in the slightest. Judging the guy's style is completely acceptable. You can easily access the data necessary to do so. Judging the guy's character is unacceptable based on the lack of information available to actually know what the hell you are talking about...................
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That is kind of ironic. Iowa wrestlers have not been penalized at all this year to my knowledge, yet they're the ones receiving the squawking from Foley and some of the clowns on themat forum.
It was the same with Metcalf. He took the heat, while his opponents received no criticism even if they got DQ'd (Purdue - kneed Metcalf in the face twice) or penalized for striking the head (Molinaro and Pico when wrestling Metcalf).
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