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Realistically, if you fire Fran who do you actually believe Iowa will get to replace him? Honestly, what does Iowa have as a program that will attract a coach that will create the type of basketball program that we all think we should have?

We have very little history in the last 20 years in the NCAA Tournament and the accomplishments we do have came from Steve Alford in the BIG tournament about 20 years ago. if you brought a coach in would he think "this place is committed to winning BIG championships" or is content with average results, 20-10 seasons and at least one game in the NCAA Tournament.
 
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daniel22 said:
Realistically, if you fire Fran who do you actually believe Iowa will get to replace him? Honestly, what does Iowa have as a program that will attract a coach that will create the type of basketball program that we all think we should have?

We have very little history in the last 20 years in the NCAA Tournament and the accomplishments we do have came from Steve Alford in the BIG tournament about 20 years ago. if you brought a coach in would he think "this place is committed to winning BIG championships" or is content with average results, 20-10 seasons and at least one game in the NCAA Tournament.
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How was Iowa State able to get Johnny Orr?

ISU called him to ask for his recommendation for their next coach, and he replied “How about me!” Why do some Iowa fans think we can’t get a good coach? Defeatist attitude. Of course the Hawks won’t get a good coach.....if they don’t even try.
 
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Most of the time changing the coach actually causes a step backwards short term! After that most of the time you return to where you were before you changed the coach or maybe not return (see Lick. years). In Iowa's case your not going to pull a top shelf coach to Iowa City because they also realize it's not likely to happen here! So your left with hiring a up and coming coach from a lesser school that has dreams of coaching in the B10 .......and that's a crap shoot! So ...we have a coach that has shown to take small steps forward except for last years team when the biggest problem was youth. you weigh all of this out and guess what ....he aint going anywhere!!
 
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To be great, you have to take a chance on a young up and comer. Iowa is not attractive to an established power 5 coach. We have never even played a weekend big ten tournament game under Fran. There are plenty of younger, hungrier, and cheaper staffs that will do things the right way. After a decade of limited success, time to move on like any company would.
 
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Crazy Hawk said:
One bad thing is that Iowa has an idiot AD.

One good thing is Iowa has an idiot AD who writes extensions with huge buyouts. If Barta gets to hire another basketball coach I would not be surprised if he gives an initial contract of 10 plus years with a $50 million buyout.
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And apparently and idiot president who supports the AD. We’re where we’re (<——wow lol) gonna be for the foreseeable future.
 
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Afraid FM being fired is wishful thinking by the fans that are tired of his half-*** teams. FM leaving will probably not happen for quite some time IMO. In the meantime, fans can relish in the fact we have an average coach in men's basketball.
 
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They same guys, same players, handled Mich earlier in the year.

Same group looks worn down and lost to end the season.

The late season stumbles are a trend and more to do with guys in suits than guys in jerseys.
 
Speaking from Iowa State’s perspective, we managed to reset with Hoiberg when McDermott got hired away from us by Creighton.

Maybe what you need to do is keep the heat on Fran while finding a suitor ........Fran leaves for a new job that is less stressful and the buyout goes away. It worked for Iowa State, although I would say that McD’s days were probably numbered when he left.

Makes me wonder if coaches with last names starting with “Mc” are doomed in our state.
 
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The coaches at Iowa have changed but the results have stayed the same (minus the Lickliter years). It is either Iowa is an average program and we should just be content with that, the coaching is the problem or the administration has not fully embraced trying to elevate the program. I personally think it is all 3.
 
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I'm getting tired of boring BB just like everyone else but it scares me cuz I remember 10/15 yrs. of darkness that ensued the last time we fired a coach
 
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daniel22 said:
Realistically, if you fire Fran who do you actually believe Iowa will get to replace him? Honestly, what does Iowa have as a program that will attract a coach that will create the type of basketball program that we all think we should have?

We have very little history in the last 20 years in the NCAA Tournament and the accomplishments we do have came from Steve Alford in the BIG tournament about 20 years ago. if you brought a coach in would he think "this place is committed to winning BIG championships" or is content with average results, 20-10 seasons and at least one game in the NCAA Tournament.
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Regardless there are two things that are certain. Iowa will not fire Fran and Iowa will not fire Fran
 
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TonyTheTiger.1865 said:
9 years is long enough. Is the OP suggesting this is as good as it will ever get for Iowa BB?
It has been much better in the past. Frans teams are not getting any better and seem to regress far more than they improve. His behavior is also a colossal embarrassment to the University.
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Fran can get a bunch average players to play for above their talent level until scouting reports are developed and things revert to the mean over the course of a conference season.

It’s not Frans fault that fans change their expectations midyear.
 
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Bearhawk0505 said:
To be great, you have to take a chance on a young up and comer. Iowa is not attractive to an established power 5 coach. We have never even played a weekend big ten tournament game under Fran. There are plenty of younger, hungrier, and cheaper staffs that will do things the right way. After a decade of limited success, time to move on like any company would.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Fran fired because I don't think Fran will ever do much at Iowa beyond what we've already seen. Realistically he's not going to be fired for at least 2-3 more years.

I would prefer Fran to look inward and address some of the shortcomings in his shtick. The novelty has worn off in B1G.
However, Fran looks to have too much old man disease.

If we were to fire him eventually, then going younger/more hungry is definitely a strategy, but we all expect Barta to Eff it up, so real question is when ia Barta going to retire because firing an AD at Iowa not likely to happen,
 
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L. Wade Childress said:
Fran can get a bunch average players to play for above their talent level until scouting reports are developed and things revert to the mean over the course of a conference season.

It’s not Frans fault that fans change their expectations midyear.
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Maybe he should recruit better players? And maybe he should stop making a fool out of himself.
 
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baddog25 said:
I'm getting tired of boring BB just like everyone else but it scares me cuz I remember 10/15 yrs. of darkness that ensued the last time we fired a coach
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Nope, we should never fire a coach because “It could get worse”.

Then again it could get better, but you never know unless you try.
 
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ajdl said:
Maybe he should recruit better players? And maybe he should stop making a fool out of himself.
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Well, we are not going to cheat. And 50+ years of data says that iowa is always going to be somewhere around our current talent level unless we cheat. It’s not the coach, it’s our recruiting base compared our geographical rivals.

I would probably argue that iowa has more high-level out-of-state talent on this team than they have had in quite some time. Otherwise our talent level is going to be primarily driven by what the state of Iowa produces.
 
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L. Wade Childress said:
Well, we are not going to cheat. And 50+ years of data says that iowa is always going to be somewhere around our current talent level unless we cheat. It’s not the coach, it’s our recruiting base compared our geographical rivals.

I would probably argue that iowa has more high-level out-of-state talent on this team than they have had in quite some time. Otherwise our talent level is going to be primarily driven by what the state of Iowa produces.
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Loser mentality. We shouldn’t try to be any better because we’ve always been mediocre. I don’t get that line of thinking. ISU would still be winning 2 games a year if they thought this way. But they kept trying until they found someone to push them a little further. Many schools do this. For some reason, many Iowa basketball fans say, “it could be worse” or “it’s always been this way”. The university has enough resources to demand better than the shit show we’ve gotten in recent history
 
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I think the results you are seeing is what a good Big Ten quality coach can achieve at Iowa. Lickliter is an example of this program with a bad coach.

To achieve more than Fran (who also gets credit for reviving a morbid program), we’d need a truly elite coach. We don’t cheat; we don’t have great facilities; and we don’t have a great recruiting base within 4 hours. IU, UM, MSU, PU, and OSU have much better access to players. We don’t really beat those schools for players.
 
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Loser mentality. We shouldn’t try to be any better because we’ve always been mediocre. I don’t get that line of thinking. ISU would still be winning 2 games a year if they thought this way. But they kept trying until they found someone to push them a little further. Many schools do this. For some reason, many Iowa basketball fans say, “it could be worse” or “it’s always been this way”. The university has enough resources to demand better than the shit show we’ve gotten in recent history
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You want to admit a bunch of transfer with legal issues who got kicked off prior teams? Suit yourself I guess.
 
ajdl said:
Loser mentality. We shouldn’t try to be any better because we’ve always been mediocre. I don’t get that line of thinking. ISU would still be winning 2 games a year if they thought this way. But they kept trying until they found someone to push them a little further. Many schools do this. For some reason, many Iowa basketball fans say, “it could be worse” or “it’s always been this way”. The university has enough resources to demand better than the shit show we’ve gotten in recent history
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In my lifetime I have seen one Final Four team (‘80), and 2 teams that were legitimate championship caliber (‘70, ‘87). There is no reason or excuse that Iowa can never have teams like that again. None whatsoever. That is why I get so infuriated with those that are just fine with the status quo and “it could be worse” crowd.
 
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L. Wade Childress said:
Well, we are not going to cheat. And 50+ years of data says that iowa is always going to be somewhere around our current talent level unless we cheat. It’s not the coach, it’s our recruiting base compared our geographical rivals.

I would probably argue that iowa has more high-level out-of-state talent on this team than they have had in quite some time. Otherwise our talent level is going to be primarily driven by what the state of Iowa produces.
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ISU is very talented. The geography argument does not carry much weight in b-ball. It is not the numbers game football is. Just need a few studs and good role players/athletes around them to be really good.
 
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I think the results you are seeing is what a good Big Ten quality coach can achieve at Iowa. Lickliter is an example of this program with a bad coach.

To achieve more than Fran (who also gets credit for reviving a morbid program), we’d need a truly elite coach. We don’t cheat; we don’t have great facilities; and we don’t have a great recruiting base within 4 hours. IU, UM, MSU, PU, and OSU have much better access to players. We don’t really beat those schools for players.
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Agree we need a better coach (not necessarily elite) to get better results.

I do not buy the recruiting excuses. True, Iowa is not a hotbed of recruits.....but George Raveling had no problem getting quality players. Iowa State has no problem.
 
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Bearhawk0505 said:
ISU is very talented. The geography argument does not carry much weight in b-ball. It is not the numbers game football is. Just need a few studs and good role players/athletes around them to be really good.
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ISU had the same conference record, worse overall record, and got destroyed by us.
 
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83Hawk said:
Agree we need a better coach (not necessarily elite) to get better results.

I do not buy the recruiting excuses. True, Iowa is not a hotbed of recruits.....but George Raveling had no problem getting quality players. Iowa State has no problem.
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Iowa states players are better than our players?
 
L. Wade Childress said:
Fran can get a bunch average players to play for above their talent level until scouting reports are developed and things revert to the mean over the course of a conference season.

It’s not Frans fault that fans change their expectations midyear.
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You are the reason “thumbs down” should be an option on here.
 
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I don't think Fran should be fired at the present time. I just looked it up and John Beilien was 16-16 in his 8th year at Michigan and it's obviously a little harder to recruit here. Fran does need to get his temper under control. He actually was right about the officiating, you just can't say it out loud. He also needs to let his players put on muscle and bring in some sort of motivation to mentally prepare his players throughout the season. I would assume Fran wants to be at Iowa. That's better than being a stepping stone to the next bigger job.
 
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