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this. The shot and those shorts are too much for me. Whatevs man. Go to the nba with your length. Bye already
What game were you watching?
Did you not hear Dachick constantly harping about Garza running hard and the ISU guys not running?
Iowa did nothing to purposly slow the tempo. Iowa was running all game.
Agreed. Iowa could’ve played any style and pounded Iowa State. Those 2 teams play 10 times, Iowa wins at least 9
I think we all knew ISU wasn't a very good team, but I doubt very many thought they are this bad.
Hope Foster gets a good education, cause his outlook in that program isn't exactly bright.
Hope Foster gets a good education, cause his outlook in that program isn't exactly bright.
Probably an excellent chance that Lard will get his life issues figured out, stop smoking WEED and rejoin the team. Then they will be fine. I mean they sent him to a full summer of rehab and he STILL could not make it. Prohm is one helluva coach.
He should wish he'd be that lucky. Try looking at that team once Haliburton leaves....
The Marble twins, didn't even know that was a possibility. Did they take the Murray's scholarships?
Damn fellas....thanks for catching that! I sure did mean the Murray twins. I guess I am wishing there are some Marble twins out there too?
The Marble twins, didn't even know that was a possibility. Did they take the Murray's scholarships?
Forget it, he's rolling
He's going exactly where he should. He's soft, he's immature, and he's already convinced he's a NBA draft prospect, when he isn't.
Plus, he'll be playing for exactly the right kind of coach. And finally, plus, he may never have to face the stress of a single NCAA tournament.
Plus, he'll be playing for exactly the right kind of coach. And finally, plus, he may never have to face the stress of a single NCAA tournament.
Hopefully Prohm gets an extension in Ames, I like where their program is headed.
Verb Foster. Given the way he handles his recruiting it seems like he's well adapted to the pirate culture in Ames.
Add Prohm to the list of Campbell, Fleck, & Flop as the best things to happen to Hawkeye sports!
I would classify Horton-Tucker as a great recruit. Halliburton was an under the radar find who is a very good ballplayer. Most teams would take either of them in a heartbeat.
Lucky for Fred that the 'braska athletic culture is one of looking the other way when it comes to bad and illegal behavior by players that can contribute, significantly more so than what he had to work with during his time in ames. That should help him in bringing in guys that were cut loose by other programs for their issues.
I agree he’s had some good ones. I was just wondering which guys on this team were the great recruits. I’m wondering if guys like Conditt, Young, etc were high ranked or if he just had a couple of great ones that left early. The way his recruiting is discussed I just assumed he would have more talent and depth waiting on this team.
Honestly I was never that impressed with foster what little i saw of him. Their other big man was more impressive actually. Foster may turn out pretty decent but I could see him as another glen worley too
It seems to me like ISU has "tried" to play NBA ball for several years (One on one - ball hogs).
That kinda works some of the time if you've got several good players. But in the long haul in the college game I think it's better to play team ball - unless your Kentucky/Duke and you get NBA players every year.
That kinda works some of the time if you've got several good players. But in the long haul in the college game I think it's better to play team ball - unless your Kentucky/Duke and you get NBA players every year.
When you shoot well, you look like a good team. When you dont, you look like an average to bad team. ISU shot it well vs Seton Hall, which opened up driving lanes, etc. They looked good. Against Iowa, the opposite was true. It will happen to Iowa some game, and the message board posse will emerge. Fire McCaffrey. Fire Barta. Bench Conner, etc. No knock on Iowa fans. Every fan base does it. ISU included. Drives me nuts, but I am guilty of it from time to time as well (more with FB than BB though).
Prohm can recruit. Prohm can coach. I like him and hope he stays for a long time. When you lose your top 4 scorers, it will be a tough year.
Foster? Who knows? I never get too excited about "big name" recruits. It's always a "show me" type mentality. Even with Wigginton + Horton Tucker, I waited to see if they lived up to the hype. I just find it funny how some (not all) posters here suddenly think XF is lazy, overrated, etc. These college coaches have forgotten more about bball than any of us will EVER know. If XF is good enough for Prohm, McCaffrey, Scott Drew, and other P5 coaches, I think we should trust their judgment.
Prohm can recruit. Prohm can coach. I like him and hope he stays for a long time. When you lose your top 4 scorers, it will be a tough year.
Foster? Who knows? I never get too excited about "big name" recruits. It's always a "show me" type mentality. Even with Wigginton + Horton Tucker, I waited to see if they lived up to the hype. I just find it funny how some (not all) posters here suddenly think XF is lazy, overrated, etc. These college coaches have forgotten more about bball than any of us will EVER know. If XF is good enough for Prohm, McCaffrey, Scott Drew, and other P5 coaches, I think we should trust their judgment.
Unfortunately I think this win just made the grapes a little less sour since XF made his decision.
If Foster comes into Carver next season and drops 40+ on us ala Garzilla then we can say we bombed by not reeling in this kid. Let's also see if XF can contain Garzilla who should be an All-American candidate by next season.
If Foster comes into Carver next season and drops 40+ on us ala Garzilla then we can say we bombed by not reeling in this kid. Let's also see if XF can contain Garzilla who should be an All-American candidate by next season.
Great post. The name of the game is putting the ball in the hole. Shot making can cover up a lot of deficiencies. Shot missing lends itself to criticism in other aspects of the game. Iowa didn’t suddenly become more athletic in the last couple of weeks nor are they a defensive juggernaut. I do think they share the ball very well and do a great job of feeding the post which helps get the ball to our best player as well as create open looks for others. Shot making will really help reduce some of the criticism directed at CMC. He doesn’t have to shoot a lot, but if he can become a mid 30’s to 40% shooter from 3, it makes it that much harder to double Garza.
As far as Foster goes, I hope he has a great career except when playing the Hawks but that Iowa State loses every game from now until, well, forever.
Haha, yup. Made a Clown of himself and his family. Now he gets to reap what he has sown
Someone -- Clone trolls -- explain to me this trope about "Prohm, not a great coach, can 'can recruit'" malarkey. Just b/c he got Foster?
If I'm correct, two of this year's class already transferred out, like in November. This is not just a bad look, but probably indicates they realilzed they themselves weren't gonna play. ON THIS YEAR's TEAM. Leach was purported to be a "5 star before he was hurt.' Well, maybe that was the case, but a bust is a bust.
Someone said during our game that Prohm had three transfers on the floor most of the time.
Then, you've got the other two clear "4 star" busts, Griffin and Lewis, who spend more time on the bench than the trainers.
Look, in fairness, much of this mania about "following" recruiting ratings and stars is excusable by people who never or seldom actually watch high school or AAU development in person. But Prohm strikes me as not much more sophisticated about talent evaluation than Everyday Joe.
Oh, I know: "Talen-HortonTucker, Wigginton, blah, blah." They got nothing out of those guys except a fools gold B12 tournament win, and another shit performance in the Big Dance.
"He can recruit," my ass.
If I'm correct, two of this year's class already transferred out, like in November. This is not just a bad look, but probably indicates they realilzed they themselves weren't gonna play. ON THIS YEAR's TEAM. Leach was purported to be a "5 star before he was hurt.' Well, maybe that was the case, but a bust is a bust.
Someone said during our game that Prohm had three transfers on the floor most of the time.
Then, you've got the other two clear "4 star" busts, Griffin and Lewis, who spend more time on the bench than the trainers.
Look, in fairness, much of this mania about "following" recruiting ratings and stars is excusable by people who never or seldom actually watch high school or AAU development in person. But Prohm strikes me as not much more sophisticated about talent evaluation than Everyday Joe.
Oh, I know: "Talen-HortonTucker, Wigginton, blah, blah." They got nothing out of those guys except a fools gold B12 tournament win, and another shit performance in the Big Dance.
"He can recruit," my ass.
Horton Tucker and Wigginton were Top 50 kids that had impressive offer lists.
Zion Griffin was a top 100 kid.
He landed a Hawkeye fan that is a top 75 kid in Xavier Foster.
His problem is too many misses and failure to develop bigs.
The funny part is ISU fans love to mock Fran and Scott Drew as coaches. Those 2 have coached circles around Prohm multiple times since he has been in Ames.
ISU next year is going to be bad without Jacobson, Haliburton and Nixon. I have said for months they wont be a tourney team this year whether Bolton was eligible or not.
I would imagine Prohm's seat will be getting warm if he goes 3 out of 4 years without a tourney berth.
That's not fair at all. Campbell is a very good football coach (yeah, yeah, I know, he's yet to beat us) and I think the signs are pointing to Fleck also being a good coach (yeah, yeah, I know).
Frost and Prohm might belong together for all we know, but for different reasons. Frost came in talking smack and still does, while Prohm came in to a perfect situation and has seemingly been slowly bleeding. If not for those B12 tourney championships that ISU fans seem to love more than the NCAA (and why not, it would be fun to dominate the crowd and Power & Light for a weekend) then I think the shine would really be off Prohm.
You are actually wrong, really wrong. ISU shot better against Iowa than Seton Hall from the field and 3 point range. The difference was Seton Hall lost their second best player early in this game, and is extremely overrated. Iowa would crush them.
I do believe Prohm can recruit, or at least hit on a couple guys, but I'm not sold he can coach or develop guys. Is Nixon better than when he arrived? Jacobsen? Young? Lewis? The rest of the guys on the roster are still young, but it's starting to look like a trend if I'm being honest.
I never thought Lard got much better. Shayok was much better than at Virginia. Seems like a majority aren't getting much better. Wiggs and THT left early, so you can't really tell with either of those.
Hoiberg's guys carried him his first two years, since then, man I'm not so sure. That doesn't look like an NCAA tourney team this year, and losing Jacobsen, Nixon, and Tyrese next year, that team will be bad. Foster is a good recruit, nothing bad to say about him, but the other guys fit in with the guys we are recruiting next year, which means not much help is on the way next year. Prohm seems like a good guy, but it's likely he's going to be four straight years of no NCAA tourney wins. Yikes.
Prohm has been pretty good at developing guys in the back court.
Nader, Thomas, Naz, Monte and Haliburton have been extremely good under Prohm.
Thomas, in particular, was a disaster under Hoiberg.
In regards to ISU winning the Big 12 "Tournament". It's just weird. They get t-shirts made that claim Big 12 Champs and wear them everywhere.
I hate to tell you this - but - you're NOT Big 12 champs - unless you win the Big 12 regular season.
As far as Super Bowls - the big 12 tourney is their Super Bowl.
I hate to tell you this - but - you're NOT Big 12 champs - unless you win the Big 12 regular season.
As far as Super Bowls - the big 12 tourney is their Super Bowl.
Honestly I don't think what Fred did at ISU is repeatable. I don't think he lasts at Nebraska. We'll see.
Prohm has his faults and limitations. I do think he's good at getting talent. Whether he gets enough talent, or the right talent, to offset what I think are his coaching deficiencies, we'll see.
As far as him being a good recruiter? Wigginton, THT, Haliburton, Shayok, Conditt, these are all good gets. Some were high profile, some were under the radar. I think he's shown he can do both.
To be honest, I've been to the NCAA tournament. I have no desire to go again. It's stale, it's kind of boring honestly. The Big 12 tourney is a yearly trip for us, because it's just a lot more fun.
Prohm came in when Nader and Long were Seniors, Thomas and Monte were established Juniors. I don't know how anyone could feel Prohm made them good players, or even developed them. Thomas got better his last two years, but I'm still not sold that wasn't just him maturing as a player.
Morris PER his soph year, was 21.4. He went to 20.4 as a Junior then 24.7 as a Senior. Morris was good before Prohm ever got there.
Nader went from 12.2 to 15.8. His biggest improvement was after leaving ISU it seemed, and not under Prohm.
That's because it's less than 3 hours away from Ames. The bars and restaurants are full of Cyclone fans and it's basically a drunken family reunion - where everyone is telling each other how great they are (see Nebraska fan)
But as far as importance - it isn't. The Big 12 Champion of the season is - and the NCAA tourney is.
