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Fran took of Uthoff just as he was trying to get going.

Aug 16, 2010
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Early in the second half, everybody could tell Uthoff was trying to get himself going. After a couple rebounds and a basket, Uthoff crosses over his defender and tries to throw it to Woodbury but it goes out of bounds. You could tell Uthoff was demanding the ball more, trying to be more assertive.

Then Fran takes him out.
 
Uthoff simply didn't have it. Perhaps going forward we can have better luck in these big games. Tonight was a huge chance to grab control of the conference.
 
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Yeah sorry, I completely disagree. Uthoff was trying to force too much tonight and this last force was a necessity to get him to settle down.
 
Big difference between trying to get it going and forcing things and making H.S. mistake of getting caught in the air with no where to go with the ball, I don't fault Fran at all for taking him out.

Agree! He was trying too hard at that point, needed to be taken out. He has to realize the times he gets his points is when the rest of the team is in engaged and flowing.
 
Early in the second half, everybody could tell Uthoff was trying to get himself going. After a couple rebounds and a basket, Uthoff crosses over his defender and tries to throw it to Woodbury but it goes out of bounds. You could tell Uthoff was demanding the ball more, trying to be more assertive.

Then Fran takes him out.
To me that was a bad coaching move. He's trying to work out of his funk and so you take him out when he does a little too much. Didn't like that move but at least Fran is pretty consistent in making that move with the exception maybe being Gesell. He gives Gesell a lot of rope. His quick hook with certain players at certain times has always confused me. Partly because he trusts his players when other teams go on runs and doesn't take timeouts. But he doesn't trust them to play the right way after they make a mistake. I didn't think that turnover warranted Uthoff getting taken out of the game.
 
Do you not understand? When was the only time Uthoff was really "assertive" tonight? When? Right in the beginning portions of the second half. He was trying to assert himself and get himself going, something that we haven't seen in the first half and what we won't will see the rest of the game.

Fran taking out the best player on his team, while he's trying to get going, messes up any sort of rhythm you can think of.

What's the worst that could happen if Fran didn't take him out? And now what's the best? Uthoff finding his rhythm and going off?
 
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Do you not understand? When was the only time Uthoff was really "assertive" tonight? When? Right in the beginning portions of the second half. He was trying to assert himself and get himself going, something that we haven't seen in the first half and what we won't will see the rest of the game.

Fran taking out the best player on his team, while he's trying to get going, messes up any sort of rhythm you can think of.

What's the worst that could happen if Fran didn't take him out? And now what's the best? Uthoff finding his rhythm and going off?

Utoff had some back match-ups tonight. Layman is an athletic 4 guy who can play all over the court. He is a legit 6-8 player who can guard anyone. So Utoff and him was a wash. I realize that he was trying to get things going, but when he jumped in the air w/no one to pass to, you could just tell he was trying too hard. he kept pump faking every shot and double clutching every shot. Not the signs you want to see out of your leading scorer.
 
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He was hurting the team, I'm glad he was trying to get going but he just shot-passed the ball out of bounds about 10 feet to the right of the hoop.
 
Yeah sorry, I completely disagree. Uthoff was trying to force too much tonight and this last force was a necessity to get him to settle down.
Couldn't disagree more. Clearly he was told by coaches at halftime to stop settling for jumpers and attack the basket. He does that and has some success to start the second half and then gets yanked the first time he makes a mistake. He really wasn't successful after that point for whatever reason. Not blaming that coaching decision for the bad play but if you ask me it certainly didn't help. Settling him down as you said didn't seem to work. Plus your settling him down after you told him to play more aggressive and get to the basket.
 
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First time Uthoff has really been defended someone with his size and athletic ability this season. I think the crowd got in his head a bit too. Just not his night.
 
Couldn't disagree more. Clearly he was told by coaches at halftime to stop settling for jumpers and attack the basket. He does that and has some success to start the second half and then gets yanked the first time he makes a mistake. He really wasn't successful after that point for whatever reason. Not blaming that coaching decision for the bad play but if you ask me it certainly didn't help. Settling him down as you said didn't seem to work. Plus your settling him down after you told him to play more aggressive and get to the basket.

What success had he had? He was forcing shots and didn't look comfortable at all, it wasn't like he was starting to get in a rythem and Fran took him out. He looked totally out of sync.
 
What success had he had? He was forcing shots and didn't look comfortable at all, it wasn't like he was starting to get in a rythem and Fran took him out. He looked totally out of sync.

Absolutely not. He was crossing defenders, looking fast, more confident on offense. It was a terrible decision to take him out.
 
Couldn't disagree more. Clearly he was told by coaches at halftime to stop settling for jumpers and attack the basket. He does that and has some success to start the second half and then gets yanked the first time he makes a mistake. He really wasn't successful after that point for whatever reason. Not blaming that coaching decision for the bad play but if you ask me it certainly didn't help. Settling him down as you said didn't seem to work. Plus your settling him down after you told him to play more aggressive and get to the basket.
Agree to disagree. He was out of control, decided what he was going to do regardless and forced an ugly TO. Needed him to regroup and get back his mental focus. But maybe you should be coach instead of Fran.
 
Agree to disagree. He was out of control, decided what he was going to do regardless and forced an ugly TO. Needed him to regroup and get back his mental focus. But maybe you should be coach instead of Fran.

You're kidding me. Your best player, an All-American, is trying to get himself going. Something we haven't seen all game. He makes a mistake and that warrants him to get taken out?

You're serious right? You really believe that was the right move? Look how it worked out..
 
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What success had he had? He was forcing shots and didn't look comfortable at all, it wasn't like he was starting to get in a rythem and Fran took him out. He looked totally out of sync.
The previous 3 plays prior to the turnover he had an offensive rebound and a layup. A nice drive and dish to Woodbury for a layup and Jok hit a 3 in there. Then the turnover happened. Then he goes to the bench. Not saying he was playing great but there where signs of life that possibly got taken away with the benching.
 
You're kidding me. Your best player, an All-American, is trying to get himself going. Something we haven't seen all game. He makes a mistake and that warrants him to get taken out?

You're serious right? You really believe that was the right move? Look how it worked out..

Great thing about each of us having an opinion, We may disagree on certain things. Some of you thought Fran messed up, Some of us think he did the right thing.
 
Absolutely not. He was crossing defenders, looking fast, more confident on offense. It was a terrible decision to take him out.

What game were you watching? He was forcing shots, he just had one of the worst basketball plays I've seen this year where he literally jumped on and just shot putted the ball out of bounds. Fran took him out for about one minute of game time to settle him down. He didn't bench him for any significant amount of time.
 
You're kidding me. Your best player, an All-American, is trying to get himself going. Something we haven't seen all game. He makes a mistake and that warrants him to get taken out?

You're serious right? You really believe that was the right move? Look how it worked out..
He was forcing shots, not getting open looks. Plus it wasn't like it was a minute into the second half and he turned the ball over. It was after several missed shots and an uncharacteristic out-of-control turnover
 
The previous 3 plays prior to the turnover he had an offensive rebound and a layup. A nice drive and dish to Woodbury for a layup and Jok hit a 3 in there. Then the turnover happened. Then he goes to the bench. Not saying he was playing great but there where signs of life that possibly got taken away with the benching.

And he missed three jumpers in a row right before that, and again he came out for about one minute of game time.
 
He was forcing shots, not getting open looks. Plus it wasn't like it was a minute into the second half and he turned the ball over. It was after several missed shots and an uncharacteristic out-of-control turnover

Hmmm.... I want to see your side, but I don't.

When Uthoff got taken out, Iowa did not score a single point for about 5 minutes. Don't believe me? Check out the http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=400839307&period=2.

Uthoff got taken out at 16:29. Our next points came at 11:42.

And you still think that was the right decision?!
 
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Agree to disagree. He was out of control, decided what he was going to do regardless and forced an ugly TO. Needed him to regroup and get back his mental focus. But maybe you should be coach instead of Fran.
Really? So it's come to that in this argument? That's the waving of the white flag. We can agree to disagree. I'm more then ok with that but this line gets old.
 
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How long do you think Uthoff was out for? He was out from 16:29 to 15:43, Uthoff was on the floor again while they weren't scoring.
If Fran would have let Uthoff stay on the floor, try and get himself going, don't you think things would have gone a little better during that stretch?

I think so.

Fran had this "don't mess up or you'll get taken out" mentality. It didn't let our players play loose tonight.
 
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And he missed three jumpers in a row right before that, and again he came out for about one minute of game time.
As the OP just pointed out Iowa didn't really shoot lights out after he got taken out. 3 missed shots followed by a scoring drought. Seems like maybe keeping him in there may have gotten him going. It's not like Iowa shot the ball well tonight. No one knows whether keeping him in the game would have mattered because ultimately he got taken out. Could he have stayed in there and continued to struggle? Absolutely. Did taking him out lose the game for Iowa? Absolutely not. Was it the right coaching move? I didn't think so.
 
If Fran would have let Uthoff stay on the floor, try and get himself going, don't you think things would have gone a little better during that stretch?

I think so.

Fran has this "don't mess up or you'll get taken out mentality."

No, he just made one of the worst basketball plays I've seen all season. Sitting him for 46 seconds of game time didn't break this terrific ryhthm you seem to think he was in. He struggled before that and struggled after that, those 46 seconds he was out didn't hurt Uthoff.
 
As the OP just pointed out Iowa didn't really shoot lights out after he got taken out. 3 missed shots followed by a scoring drought. Seems like maybe keeping him in there may have gotten him going. It's not like Iowa shot the ball well tonight. No one knows whether keeping him in the game would have mattered because ultimately he got taken out. Could he have stayed in there and continued to struggle? Absolutely. Did taking him out lose the game for Iowa? Absolutely not. Was it the right coaching move? I didn't think so.

Uthoff was on the floor for the scoring drought! He sat out 46 seconds!
 
Hmmm.... I want to see your side, but I don't.

When Uthoff got taken out, Iowa did not score a single point for about 5 minutes. Don't believe me? Check out the http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=400839307&period=2.

Uthoff got taken out at 16:29. Our next points came at 11:42.

And you still think that was the right decision?!

And here come the negative jack balls after a loss. Seriously, uthoff was horrible tonight and Fran made the right choice. It will pay huge dividends when it matters.

This loss means nothing.
 
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OMG OP STFU, he was out of the game for 46 seconds...lol

Do you not comprehend what that does to somebody trying to get in rhythm? Especially your best player. Our All-American, just got taken out for trying to get in rhythm. What do you think that does to his confidence? Certainly doesn't help it. And from what we saw, it was the wrong move.
 
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