This team needs to understand they need to do these things.
Freethrows and Rebounding.....
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Well, he is a terrible defender and he cant make free throws so in close games late he cant be trusted to be out there.
Poor rebounding by all
Do they teach blocking out or is that now called a foul?
Do they teach blocking out or is that now called a foul?
Uhl and Baer are the only guys who consistently block out. That's often when Jok or one of the wings/guards gets a rebound. The other bigs are freshmen and clearly need offseason work to learn how to box out and rebound. I think it's inexperience more than anything, but it is frustrating.
we gave up 20 offensive rebounds to Minny; that's a lot of 2nd chance opportunities in a game we should have won in regulation; Iowa had 16
that Baer FT miss that would have put us up by 3 late in the game was a killer
I said to my wife, "if this team learns to make free throws and get defensive rebounds
we're going to be a dangerous team."
Unfortunately, our bigs are atrocious ft shooters and terrible rebounders.
Baer and Jok are our best rebounders.
I'm hoping Garza and Nunge are good rebounders.
I've given up on this year. If they haven't figured it out by now, it's not going to happen.
we're going to be a dangerous team."
Unfortunately, our bigs are atrocious ft shooters and terrible rebounders.
Baer and Jok are our best rebounders.
I'm hoping Garza and Nunge are good rebounders.
I've given up on this year. If they haven't figured it out by now, it's not going to happen.
This x 1000.
I said the same thing in another thread. At least get in front of someone when the ball goes up, it’s fundamental hoops. I looked at the box score this morning and was absolutely astounded to see we were only outrebounded by four. Eight missed free throws were absolutely killer too, especially the timing on several in the second half.
I constantly get roasted for this, but Pete can’t turn the ball over five times either. Him trying to create his own shot consistently ends with bad results. He needs to work within the flow of the offense. Just kills me to drop that game last night, could have been a season changer.
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I agree. I wasn't counting, but SO many times Iowa had two or three guys under the bucket when Minny shot and missed, only to have ONE Minny player slip in for the put-back because NO ONE put a body on anyone. When the shot goes up, you don't stand and wait for the rebound, you find the nearest opponent, get in front of him, make a little contact, and BLOCK OUT! For Herky's sake, how can these kids become D-1 bigs and still have NO CLUE on how to rebound?!
That is the single most frustrating thing about this team, and it's been the case pretty much throughout the Fran era. Despite everything else that happened...and I'm as livid as anyone over the no TO/out-of-bounds thing at the end of regulation...if Iowa blocked out, they'd have won by double digits in regulation.
Blocking out is one of the simplest techniques in sports. Middle school kids learn it in about half an hour. Can the Hawkeyes learn it before they reach East Lansing?
That is the single most frustrating thing about this team, and it's been the case pretty much throughout the Fran era. Despite everything else that happened...and I'm as livid as anyone over the no TO/out-of-bounds thing at the end of regulation...if Iowa blocked out, they'd have won by double digits in regulation.
Blocking out is one of the simplest techniques in sports. Middle school kids learn it in about half an hour. Can the Hawkeyes learn it before they reach East Lansing?
Very hard for me to understand how this isn't taught consistently in practice. I only played ball in high school, but we would commit time several days each week to rebounding drills. One drill in particular, we would have five offensive guys, five defensive guys. Our coach would fire up a brick. If the defense didn’t come down with the ball, we were running lines. You figure out pretty quickly how to find the nearest man and how to keep him behind you.
Yes, we did a similar drill. In fact we sometimes had to go with 4 defense and 5 offense just to make it more clear about the box out. And we did the drill where the defense had to box out so good that the ball had to bounce before the defense could touch it
On the idea of FT, can one of you stat geniuses look up the FT attempted by point guards in the big ten and maybe power 5 conferences. I would be willing to bet that Bohanon is at the bottom or very near the bottom. My point is that since out PG can not beat anyone off the dribble and thus does drive and get fouled, we are not getting the opportunity at FT from this position on the floor. Bohanon is a very good FT shooter and to think how many points we don't even have the opportunity to score in this manner can make a big difference. I haven't looked at the box score from last night, but it felt like Mason was standing at the free throw line a bunch. An when you are collecting these fouls, you also have the potential to get the other teams PG off the court from foul trouble and normally the backup is lesser skilled player so there are multiple potential benefits of a PG who can drive (yes, this has been discussed ad nauseum on this site for several years too). Don't get me wrong, I love a long 3 from Bohanon, but we are missing a big piece of PG play
Wagner and Cook are not good FT shooters, and if you take away their FT's from last nights game, we were 18-22. We have some of the best guard shooting Free throws I can remember in quite some time in Jok, Bohannon, and Ellingson. At end of games, we need to get it in their hands.
Let me just put this here for someday when future archaeologists are reading old sports forums.......
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400915014
Pretty dang close if you ask me. If we'd have shot 49% like we did in our three previous games, that four rebound difference wouldn't be a big deal considering the team we just played.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400915014
Pretty dang close if you ask me. If we'd have shot 49% like we did in our three previous games, that four rebound difference wouldn't be a big deal considering the team we just played.
this would be true if these guys are moving to the basket. However, Fran has the PG dribble around hoping that Jok can get open enough to receive a pass for a 3 point shot. Nobody will foul our guards unless they are down a couple points since we do NOT initiate anything from our guards
I agree with you to some extent, but last night Jok was getting fouled like crazy that second half driving to the hoop and being aggressive.
I was talking more in the half court set, because you are right, Jok was practically being mugged on the break situations
i only played thru 8th grade but we would have similar rebounding drills all the time; i just dont' get why Fran's teams are so bad at rebounding
remember when Dr Tom's teams led the nation in rebounding?
And that was with a bunch of guys 6'6" to 6'9:for the most part too around one center. Never considered Tom's team "big" teams either
That is why I think Fran made a mistake not getting a 2nd PG with skills off dribble drive to complement Bohanon. Bohanon is never going to be a guy you put the ball in his hands and ask him to go Iso and make a play. Fran just spent last several years trying to use Marble and Gesell as that guy with poor results.
I did like Fran recognizing Minny was going to put the ball in Mason's hand to make a play. Fran brought in CW to defend. CW did great job defensively as sub for Bohannon.
This is why, even though the officiating appears to have cost Iowa a chance to get farther up than 2 points (free throws aren't a given with this team, assuming a TO is called, and the subsequent foul)...I won't say the officiating caused Iowa to lose, rather that it cost Iowa a chance to extend the lead and ultimately win.
Iowa had equal opportunity to overcome the call in the OT's, and didn't do it too.
Iowa, via missed rebound opps, their point driving to the hoop endlessly it seemed, and missed free throws, have themselves as much to blame in the game going to OT as the call did. Hit free throws, rebound better, stopping I think it was Mason driving to the rim countless times in the 2nd half...the last minute isn't nearly as important.
Yes, the officials blew it, BIG time...but that shouldn't have mattered if Iowa played better down the stretch.
Iowa had equal opportunity to overcome the call in the OT's, and didn't do it too.
Iowa, via missed rebound opps, their point driving to the hoop endlessly it seemed, and missed free throws, have themselves as much to blame in the game going to OT as the call did. Hit free throws, rebound better, stopping I think it was Mason driving to the rim countless times in the 2nd half...the last minute isn't nearly as important.
Yes, the officials blew it, BIG time...but that shouldn't have mattered if Iowa played better down the stretch.
Its extreemly frustrating because it can definitely be taught. Tom Davis is proof.
It seems like its easier to teach to guys who arent as athletic because they know they cant just out jump people.
Our guys consistently just try to out jump.
Cant do that against the minesotas and rutgers who are both bigger and equally if not more athletic.
It seems like its easier to teach to guys who arent as athletic because they know they cant just out jump people.
Our guys consistently just try to out jump.
Cant do that against the minesotas and rutgers who are both bigger and equally if not more athletic.
I do admit, I've seen enough of this year where...
Iowa plays a great sequence defensively, forcing a bad shot late in the shot clock, and the ball misses badly, only to clank out to the 3 pt line and a guard is just standing there waiting for it.
It's like the ball decides when it hits the rim, OK the offensive rebound goes to that guy over there 20 feet from the rim where no Iowa player is standing. It doesn't look like bad rebounding position by anybody for Iowa, the ball just goes exactly to the only player that could get the rebound.
I've never seen a team where that happens seemingly 5 times a game.
Iowa plays a great sequence defensively, forcing a bad shot late in the shot clock, and the ball misses badly, only to clank out to the 3 pt line and a guard is just standing there waiting for it.
It's like the ball decides when it hits the rim, OK the offensive rebound goes to that guy over there 20 feet from the rim where no Iowa player is standing. It doesn't look like bad rebounding position by anybody for Iowa, the ball just goes exactly to the only player that could get the rebound.
I've never seen a team where that happens seemingly 5 times a game.
Fran did some good subbing, that is for sure.
he took Jok out too when we went on D to protect him from fouling out
The one criticism I have of Fran's coaching last night was actually when he brought in CW on a free throw situation, then was not allowed to bring Bohannon back in due to a foul without time running off. We then got the ball and had 3 TOs - easy enough to call time and get Cook/Bohannon back in the game for an Offense/Defense substitution.
Our zone wasn't particularly effective, but I don't think it had as many problems as people are suggesting, and mixing up defenses causes hesitation from offenses before initiating a set.
Our zone wasn't particularly effective, but I don't think it had as many problems as people are suggesting, and mixing up defenses causes hesitation from offenses before initiating a set.
Jess Settles said that under Dr. Tom, rebounding was everyone's responsibility. He demanded that everyone crashed the glass. Jess said also that when the game was over, anyone who only had 2 or 3 rebounds felt bad. Boy, wish we had that philosophy.
Jess and Tom Deinhart over at the BIG Network describe a 1996 game against the Illini. If you haven't checked it out, please do if you are able.
Jess and Tom Deinhart over at the BIG Network describe a 1996 game against the Illini. If you haven't checked it out, please do if you are able.
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