They are using wrestlers that went through the program before the NLWC was at it's current level of funding. The majority of the accusations I've heard involve athletes that are currently in high school or enrolled at Penn State. Matt Brown, Nico, and David Taylor aren't likely to be relevant data points in this discussion. The money wasn't there to dangle in front of them when they were being recruited.
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Willie has been adamantly crying fake news in defense of PSU .... until today. Pandora’s box is about to be burst right open.
I totally agree with this. My point is that they are laying down the "justification" ground work base on metrics that don't tell the whole story.
I also think that the moment they make a change to their payment program to avoid further issues, parents are going to start coming forward.
If something is going on it will come to the surface eventually. We need to focus on putting the best team we can out there. I think we are definitely moving towards putting a more talented and aggressive product on the mat top to bottom.
Don't get your hopes up that those abusing the rules and benefiting from cheating are going to be exposed. I would bet that the FLO boys go back to sticking their heads in the sand. I haven't listened to the report, but guessing they did that to get the clicks, but serious active research and uncovering of wrongdoings are very unlikely IMO.
My impression is that this was done as kind of a first step to get people to go on record. Show the accusers that you're willing to discuss it and put your (the media member's) name on it, and thus the accusers will be more willing to put their names on it.
The fact that Flo is giving credence to the claim after faithfully defending the ‘everybody is playing fair’ stance ... tells me they have solid info from legit sources that has them Scooby-Doo’ing before the truth comes out soon.
There has been 2 tactics used. Up until this year it seemed to be confined, or at least hidden better, to having upperclassmen give up scholarship money their last couple years in exchange for a juicy camp/NLWC money right after graduation to make up the difference whenever they needed some money to land a mega recruit. My guess many of the current NLWC crop are members of this group.
This year it seems that he has become so embolden that it looks like he skipped the waiting til they are upperclassmen part and just gave the pitch to recruits.
I think you guys should write a letter to the NCAA. You can have Vodka write it up for you. Tell them that Mike T posted on a message board that he heard from the parents of Daton Fix that he was offered a little extra something from PSU. Make sure you include what some of you heard over a round of beers. Then you can finish the letter telling them that you know the Hawkeye faithful have to be right about Cael and others cheating because the Hawks just keep falling further from pack of the elite wrestling teams and that just can't be...
I think the NCAA should investigate the Penn State program so that we can watch it implode.
Will PSU willingly give back wrestling schollies or wait for the NCAA/FBI to force them into something worse 
The way it was told to me awhile back and I posted it on HR at that time, was that their sales pitch for not giving much more than peanuts for scholarships is that if the student athlete came to psu to wrestle. As long as they kept their grades up and graduated, as well as stay in the good graces of the wrestling team for 4-5 years, the nlwc would pay off any school debt acquired while at psu. I don't believe it was ever said that they had to wrestle post collegiately for the nlwc. Just that the nlwc is who would pay the debt off.
Interesting how many rookies are posting on this thread. Nothing good, or bad, just interesting.
I am not sure the NCAA can do anything about what happens after a kid graduates. As long as they are not being paid while in school, I would say the NCAA's hands are tied.
That should be easy to verify from a financial audit of the nlwc. Good luck.
Who has the authority to audit? nlwc is privately funded and not a declared non-profit that I am aware of.
So what you are saying is that nlwc is not paying off loan debts for wrestlers? I just want you to answer the question..
It's a yes or no question by the way...
Class of 2013
Top Recruit: (141) #3 Zain Retheford-Benton, PA
Recruiting Class: (184) #32 Matt McCutheon-Leechburg, PA; (157) #41 Garett Hammond-Chambersburg, PA; (165) #71 Cody Law-Windber, PA; (141/149) #140--Class of 2010 Kade Moss-South Jordan, UT, (197) NR PJ Steinmetz-Holland, PA
Class of 2018 (Their replacements)
Beard
Lee, J
Wittlake
RBY
Teasdale
Berge
Verkeleen
Teske
Nevills
Manville
Almost a whole wrestling team of top 30 recruits. All except for Teske have been top 10 P4P at one point in their high school career. It would be hard to bring in a class of ten guys of mixed top tens to UR'd much less a class like this.
I don't know about cheating but those are a whole lot of "data points." My guess is that Cael has his bases covered. One thing to think of is this: Flo brought this up a week after they secured the B1G contract which means they are going on more than just rumors. They went from being just another webcast provider to the ESPN of college wrestling. I'm thinking this contract gives them the clout for whatever blowback hits them.
Top Recruit: (141) #3 Zain Retheford-Benton, PA
Recruiting Class: (184) #32 Matt McCutheon-Leechburg, PA; (157) #41 Garett Hammond-Chambersburg, PA; (165) #71 Cody Law-Windber, PA; (141/149) #140--Class of 2010 Kade Moss-South Jordan, UT, (197) NR PJ Steinmetz-Holland, PA
Class of 2018 (Their replacements)
Beard
Lee, J
Wittlake
RBY
Teasdale
Berge
Verkeleen
Teske
Nevills
Manville
Almost a whole wrestling team of top 30 recruits. All except for Teske have been top 10 P4P at one point in their high school career. It would be hard to bring in a class of ten guys of mixed top tens to UR'd much less a class like this.
I don't know about cheating but those are a whole lot of "data points." My guess is that Cael has his bases covered. One thing to think of is this: Flo brought this up a week after they secured the B1G contract which means they are going on more than just rumors. They went from being just another webcast provider to the ESPN of college wrestling. I'm thinking this contract gives them the clout for whatever blowback hits them.
The class of 2018 committed after the 5 million donation to the nlwc, correct? Recruiting took a huge upswing after that donation.
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Recruits who want to continue their wrestling career after college feel that the NLWC will be their best option because they are well funded and could very well become the premier club in the country soon. What’s the best way for them to get a foot their foot in the door? That’s easy...Wrestle at PSU under Cael.
So you are saying that as long as they can’t be proven illegal payments are ok. But then there is the $600,000 of unidentified expendertures that show on the 1040. Might be better for psu posters to just lay low for a while.
Got you, wrestle for a little or nothing now and get paid a lot later.
Alabama and the SEC pay their football players up front and get free scholarships. Louisville pays their basketball players with hookers and cash. North Carolina pays cash and free grades with no classes. P$U pays their wrestlers on the back end giving them free scholarships. Nothing wrong with any of this is there?
The NLWC is not paying the athlete so they can pay back student loans. They are paying them to train at their club and represent them in competition.
I would like to know if former Iowa wrestlers are compensated for, lets say, lounge acts
This post shows just how ignant you fellars are, Mark
In the future Penn State will just have their guys wrestle then when they graduate will pay them X00,000.00 for a one time speaking engagement. Hopefully on the FUN aspect.
With what PSU is doing? Absolutely not. You guys don’t either. How do I know this? Because you tried all summer and continue to try to bring the HWC to the level of the NLWC. You want recruits believing that after their collegiate career they will be able to continue in the sport, training full time and be compensated well while they pursue international goals. You know, the kinds of things recruits already believe can be had at the NLWC.
Now you’ll say no, we’re just trying to get better facilities and more coaches but you’re not fooling anyone. You’re trying to make the University of Iowa more attractive by building opportunities for them after their careers are over.
And we’re trying to get it done under our interpretation of the rules in question.
Let’s see how this plays out before rushing to judgement, please?
Sorry Mike, but you are a bass fisherman and have with no doubt tangled or cut some of my trotlines.
Maybe you could write an op-ed piece about how JoPa always did the right thing, and Sandusky wasn't such a bad guy.
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