For some reason I "missed" that post.
I brought it up in the open thread last week but no reply. Obviously this situation didn't happen yesterday so I think it's safe to say it was not injury related at this point.
From gambling allegations to this---Cody Chittum be gone? What's next?
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I brought it up in the open thread last week but no reply. Obviously this situation didn't happen yesterday so I think it's safe to say it was not injury related at this point.
You can’t be losing a guy of his caliber, definitely lends itself to something being wrong in the room. It also doesn’t look good to future recruits.
And we already had one major blow losing Nate Jesuroga.
This bolded part is interesting to me. It's obvious that Iowa has had a number of injuries throughout the past few years. Some were freak injuries, like Marinelli's ribs. Others seem to be a recurring problem, like the shoulder issues dating back to Cory Clark. Just this year, we've had Schriever, Murin, Eierman, Siebrecht, Brands, and Assad miss time with injuries. This doesn't count the pitch count that Lee was on this season. That's 7 of the 10 starters. Seems like a trend that hasn't gotten better over the years, and maybe the Chittum's realized that isn't something they want to go through for the next 4 years.
The injuries didn’t just become a thing around Clark’s time. Hell injuries cost McD another national championship. The Brands coached teams have been riddled with injuries forever.
I feel like this is the Iowa wrestling post season.
Its far too many injuries to be a coincidence. The list of 3/4 year starters that haven't been limited by injury is shorter than the list of guys that have.
I don’t care what Cody’s dad is like, you don’t think PSU has hypersensitive wrestling parents?
Managing the big egos and emotions at this level is a huge part of running a D1 program. Between all of the injuries the last decade, the mismanagement of Spencer, stories of recruiting debacles, now this BS. I’m starting to question if Tom can even do this anymore. He seems way in over his head at this point with no plans to make the actual changes needed to consistently compete for championships (e.g. getting rid of his loyal yes-men).
Managing the big egos and emotions at this level is a huge part of running a D1 program. Between all of the injuries the last decade, the mismanagement of Spencer, stories of recruiting debacles, now this BS. I’m starting to question if Tom can even do this anymore. He seems way in over his head at this point with no plans to make the actual changes needed to consistently compete for championships (e.g. getting rid of his loyal yes-men).
It seems like we are all on the fire Brands train. Chittum is a bridge too far...
Has there every been a team that had three returning finalists all with serious injuries in the same season? Spencer (ACL), Eierman (ACL), Kem (shoulder). I believe that Desanto and Max were also injuried heading into NCAAs last year.
Anyone who just chalks that up to bad luck is lying to themselves.
Didn't both Eierman and Spencer's injuries happen in competition, not the practice room??
Two of the best predictors of injury, fatigue and not being as good as the other guys. So don’t overtrain and avoid being the guy getting pummeled and the odds of a healthy season improve but are never guaranteed.
People who aren't enrolled in college don't take finals. He. Gone.
Looks like we can rest a bit easier on the wagering stuff. Still could or will be consequences but this is a bit of a sigh of relief:
With Spencer’s mismanagement, I am speaking to them waiting 9 months to get his knee repaired on. Just completely idiotic.
I don’t remember Eierman’s situation exactly but your training is what helps you prevent injuries. Iowa is clearly doing something wrong.
I see a lot more of you ready to fire TnT than ever before.
The question you need to ask yourselves is, will Iowa be willing to leave Iowa for the next coach?
One thing to lose TnT. But it would be a GOLDEN opportunity to move into the 21st Century in regards to training/recruiting/etc. But I doubt you do that by hiring an "Iowa Guy".
Unfortunately, that takes a lot of gumption, and you might even have to interview/hire someone from Darkside to catch up.
The question you need to ask yourselves is, will Iowa be willing to leave Iowa for the next coach?
One thing to lose TnT. But it would be a GOLDEN opportunity to move into the 21st Century in regards to training/recruiting/etc. But I doubt you do that by hiring an "Iowa Guy".
Unfortunately, that takes a lot of gumption, and you might even have to interview/hire someone from Darkside to catch up.
Eierman was injured late in the season in the Nebraska dual, wrestling Chad Red. Spencer's knee injuries happened in competition. Nelson crashed a motorcycle.
Do people really think that TnT schedule surgeries for their athletes?
Although he'd be flattered to be considered, I'd say no for two reasons:
1. He is still competing.
2. He has a lot of time and money invested in his business.
Do you really think Tom didn’t have a say on Spencer trying to compete in 2021-22 before getting surgery?
It should have been done the week following 2021 NCAAs. Lots were saying it then too, so this isn’t hindsight. Do you think Carl fumbles that situation so poorly? I don’t.
So you think Iowa has just been snake bitten with injuries for a decade?
Again, how you train will have an impact on injuries, even in competition. Dake is big on functional training. Maybe we should look into a different approach instead of doing the same thing and getting the same result.
I think Spencer really wanted to compete the following year and made it known to the staff that he wanted to give it a go. The staff can't belt kids to the operating table and cut open their knees.
Lol no, but they can be a CEO and have the conversation that it’s better for Spencer long term to get surgery. I get Spencer’s side but he was a 21/22 year old competitor, TNT should know better and keep the big picture in mind.
Coaches are there for a reason. Carl is a “big picture” guy. Chess vs checkers.
First of all, you are Iowa. I hate you all, but you are still Iowa.
If the answer to that question is "No", to any other human being but Cael, then the school needs to do anything and everything to make it "Yes". I mean a complete cutural/philosophy/image overhaul. Probably means handing over the keys to the new regime with complete freedom to have no handcuffs in terms of hiring a new staff, top to bottom.
Even if Taylor says "No", if you haven't noticed, there are dozens of other options with ties to the program, having either assisted or wrestled there (or both). You may not get Taylor. But start in 2011 and go down the list of champions who will eventually be done wrestling (or already are).
Not an Iowa fan, but my big worry now would be the ties to Lee. From afar, he's been the heir apparent, but now it almost seems like being so means having a transition from one TnT to the next.
Doctors and medical staff recommend and can overrule coaches on medical care. Do you really think TnT convinced the medical team and Spencer/his parents to not do anything that was recommended? Give Lee some credit for being able to direct his own future, whether his decision was right or wrong.
Not really.
Wondering was anothers whether departure related to not competing at US Open.
Presumption was it was injury related. No details were reported, per usual, regarding the nature of injury. Potentially relevant details might be timing, circumstances, and any subsequent approach to address its treatment (e.g., the need for additional mental toughness). These could've been in play before dropping out of US Open was reported through Chittum's departure.
So you think the medical staff’s suggestion was to hold off on surgery and compete another year on a torn knee? I highly doubt that lol.
What’s it going to take for you guys to start questioning all of this stuff? It’s been one management blunder after the next for the better part of 10 years.
Obviously in hindsight he should've had the operations done immediately after NCAA's. However, I believe Spencer put it out there publicly that the decision to rehab vs having surgery was a decision made primarily by himself, his family, doctors and trainers - along with input from the coaching staff. The train of thought at the time was that he was able to successfully compete without one or two ACL's in the past and would make a run at it again. But it just didn't work out that way. If the medical experts didn't think that was a realistic approach for the best big-picture outcome they (Spencer & fam) wouldn't have attempted it.
I tried to told you guys.
Yes. It's one of the few jobs he would actually entertain. And he would bring Dake, Kennedy and very likely Gilman. Not to mention who from the NLWC would jump.
I think a wrestler and his parents were adamant about competing and not getting surgery. They really believed he could handle the situation for 1 more year of college and then get them fixed. Unfortunately it didn't work out that way.
You obviously don't have the slightest clue the impact the medial staff has and that the ultimate decision lies primarily with Lee and secondary his parents.
I'm willing to bet TNT pushed for the surgery because they're probably thinking that him being Iowa's only 4 timer will have a bigger impact long term than anything else.
Plus they truly care for his wellbeing, his health, and his career.
I can't believe you truly believe this decision would be left up to the coaches. Lee is a world class athlete. His mother was a world class athlete. He and his family knew what they were doing and rolled the dice. Sometimes it backfires and unfortunately it did this time.
Oh, you’re willing to bet? Because TNT have done such a great job managing these things in the past, right?
This isn’t just about Spencer, this is about a decade of mismanagement and roster blunders by this staff. If you can’t see that, I honestly don’t know what to tell you.
Sounds like he'll be announced as a member of the Iowa State wrestling team very soon (ish)
