From gambling allegations to this---Cody Chittum be gone? What's next?
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Tom Brands got what he earned here
Fire the whole staff, embarrassing.
since we know you read the board... Great job Tom. Great job. You were told this would happen.
At the very least we're going to get some high quality @MitchLL posts.
You guys are beyond comical. The grass is always greener on the other side logic is ridiculous. I almost want to see Tom and Terry leave, just so you get what you ask for…. A few 7th or 8th place finishes over the next few years would be just what you deserve!
I think Tom and Terry are well respected in the sport. I feel strongly that the program would benefit from getting a former high profile wrestler from PSU to join the staff. I think there needs to be a shake up on the staff. Morningstar’s and Telford’s tenure need to end not because they have done anything wrong, but because the sport is constantly evolving and their names don’t necessarily draw interest as a person that can help a person improve or develop.
Maybe I am wrong, but I think there are many younger athletes/coaches out there chomping at the bit to coach and to help develop wrestlers at the college level that would improve the results on the mat and interest in the program.🤷♂️
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I'm all in with TnT until they decide to hang it up. Mainly for the reasons Larry Lee discussed last week in his Flo interview. I don't need us to be at the top to remain an Iowa wrestling fan. That's just me.
You don't even know the specifics of the Chittum deal but you're ready to fire the whole staff and hire a guy that has never coached at any level?
GO RECRUIT TOM!!! Seriously we know what we get with TNT.... and it's not getting better. Go out and make a big splash with a big hire and make this place great again. Your being "scared" to change is only going to result in a bigger gap with PSU.
They are the best coaching staff besides PSU’s and it really isn’t even close. Even losing Chittum, they are STILL in solid position for 2nd.
My point is simple, it is REALLY stupid to want to remove the 2nd best group when you have NO CLUE who could do better. The most common thought on here is to hire a head coach with ZERO DI coaching experience. Mind you, he is even still competing.
Do you not see how dumb that sounds???
This is my thoughts as well. While some of the constant injuries are just bad luck, some of it has to be preventable as no other team is having injuries at the Hawks rate over a long period of time. If Tom isn't taking a hard look and making changes in training cycles and recovery periods he is being a fool. Nutrition and S & C also play a big role in injury risk. Whatever Iowa is doing in these facets is not working and changes need to be made, not just looked into. I'm sorry, but there is more to this than just bad luck at this point.
The mental toughness part intrigues me. We’ve heard Tom say before that an athlete was cleared to compete after injury to but needed to be mentally tougher to Erik through pain, right?
We had no clue Gable would bring about the dynasty he did. he was a recently retired athlete
We had no idea Tom would win chips at Iowa. His 2 years at Virginia Tech were... well. Bad
PSU had NO idea Carl would bring about this current dynasty.
What's your point?
I mean...sure, maybe. But the truth is, at the very least there needs to be more diversity of thought/experience on the coaching staff. We need someone other than the "Iowa Man". But we also have to wonder if, without the generational talent of Spencer Lee, where are we? Because we don't have anybody like that in the pipeline right now, and are our coaches capped out at being second, somewhat buoyed by the Iowa Brand helping to keep recruiting afloat.
What I believe was fumbled was off-hand comments made by Cael shortly after the injury occurred. He said something to the effect that the first time a wrestler suffers an injury in their career they tend to overreact and don't really know what they are capable of.
I think the Surianos saw people in the public taking Cael's statement as questioning Nick's manhood. Then there was a public backlash from the optics of him qualifying for NCAAs by stepping on the B1G Tournament mat.
I don't think PSU medical cleared Nick to actually compete at B1Gs or the NCAAs. I don't believe Nick left because he thought he was well enough to compete at either.
I believe Nick left, in part, because he felt he was left hung out to dry in terms of public perceptions, which he rightly or wrongly attributed to how PSU communicated publicly about his injury. Other factors could have included disagreement on training approach between the Surianos and the PSU coaching staff, and how well Nick felt he fit in amongst his teammates.
Lastly, the Surianos could've believed that by stepping on the B1G mat, Nick could've substantially reduced his chances of getting a medical RS for that season.
Hopefully, all parties learned something from the experience.
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Do you know how dumb it sounds when a MSU fan is constantly on another fans message board telling them what their expectations should be?
If Brands hadn’t finished top 5 essentially every year, just won a couple years ago and taken a clear 2nd just last year, I could see it. You guys are acting like Iowa has been terrible and you MUST have a change.
We had no clue Gable would bring about the dynasty he did. he was a recently retired athlete
We had no idea Tom would win chips at Iowa. His 2 years at Virginia Tech were... well. Bad
PSU had NO idea Carl would bring about this current dynasty.
What's your point?
You honestly think Taylor is coming in and beating PSU? If not, you are replacing the clearly 2nd best for an unproven staff to hopefully take what??……2nd place! There is NO real upside, with a solid possibility of it failing.
The logic is soooo flawed it’s laughable!
with the exception of Spencer Lee what national champions have we had in the last 5-7 years? 2 or 3? tops.. If Tnt wasn't at Iowa would they be the second best???
Pretty sure my fandom has been explained on here several times. But, feel free to hate. I can take it!
Going for Second place???....losing recruits to ISu?? WHO ARE WE should be Iowa's new slogan... and you think its good enough??? Iowa wrestling use to not accept being average... now we hope to just stay there
They have had a finalist for how many years in a row now? Hell, I think they actually average more AA’s per year than even Carl.
As far as somewhere else goes, I think they were prime to do VERY well at VTech. But, like Cael at PSU, their best match is Iowa.
Look, I am not saying you shouldn’t want more from them. Recruiting is my big thing and just when it looked like they had a great year, they lose Jesuroga and Chittum. I want more there, but I think they are still the best of the rest.
Iowa can't be overtraining. I've been told, multiple times, that these guys are not being overtrained and it's just bad luck.
Seriously. Chill out people. Program is bigger than one person.
Bingo. If TnT were at say Illinois, would they be a top 5 program? That is what this fanbase is failing to acknowledge here. This team has stayed halfway relevant for 2 reasons: the singlet, and Spencer Lee. Ask Nebraska fans how long fear of jersey remains a viable recruiting tool. Beauty (or in the case an iconic singlet) is a depreciating asset.
I'm so confused right now with rumors, opinions, actual facts, and all the crap swirling with college wrestling.
And Chittum to ISU makes no sense other than he might view that destination as a direct jab at Iowa.
Chittum sounds like someone that his feelings get hurt rather easily. Be interesting when his college eligibility is up and we can examine how his career went.
What chaos.
What's funny is many have claimed Swiderski is too big for 141, Paniro, is too short for 157...so where do Chittum/Swiddy/Johnson fit into 2 weight classes.
Swiddy will transfer? I could see him at Michigan after a redshirt year.
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Well the grass in Iowa City is burnt to sh1t right now with TnT holding the flame thrower.
I think they use to be the best of the rest. I think other programs are adapting to the style of training and it is starting to show. Iowa is the second best program still because of the name and the fans... TNT is holding them back and until the decide to change their approach we will keep falling down the pecking order... Luckily we do have great fans and about to have the best facilities. Brining in a huge name like DT would be a big get and push us to contending with PSU again..... All opinion of course.
It's actually not. and if you can't see the trend, i'm not sure how much you really know about wrestling.
in the past 50 years there have been 2 true dynasties and and a team that won their fair share.
That's Iowa (Gable), OkieSt (John), Iowa (TNT) and PSU (Carl).
What do they all have in common. They were the generational talent and brand name of their time. Recruits looked up to them for what they did competing. Without ever making a phone call, without ever walking into a living room - kids wanted to wrestle like and wrestle for these men.
DT is that for this generation. And he has spoke multiple times on his love of coaching. You can take one look at what he's doing at M2, that, at the least, he'll develop guys. If you've ever heard him speak, you would know that he has intimate knowledge of Carl's tactics and practice habits/plans. He's going to make a great coach. I'd rather it be at Iowa.
2nd place is “average”? Come on, man…
Look I am not saying you shouldn’t want more from them. I will gladly say they are far from perfect. But they are way better than what many on here give them credit for.
"They"?
Terry never coached VT and may never have. I guess hypothetically they were primed in some alternate universe.
Terry was HC at the University of Tennessee-Chattanooga (2002-05) then Olympic Training center (2005-2008). This spans Tom's 2-year stint at VT (2004-2006).
I think in Wrestling at Iowa 2nd place is average yes... You are right though Tnt have been very good for us. I also think it is ok to want more. I think DT could be the next dynasty for us but it is all wishfull thinking. No proof and for sure won't happen at iowa.
i'll disagree with you there. I think 100% of Iowa fans love TNT and can see them as great/good coaches. But, yeah. This is Alabama football. The goal is championships. Not trophy seasons. And no one should be ok with the current -there's-no-end-in-sight to finishing second or worse.
The worse part is the mismanagement. That is the biggest issue and one that I don't see them being able to fix. So, i'm not asking for change just for change's sake. I want a solution that helps dissolve the current dynasty and puts in a place a legacy coach.
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We had no clue Gable would bring about the dynasty he did. he was a recently retired athlete
We had no idea Tom would win chips at Iowa. His 2 years at Virginia Tech were... well. Bad
PSU had NO idea Carl would bring about this current dynasty.
What's your point?
Not to mention, Iowa is the second most well funded program. It's not a level playing field between schools. I think there are a lot of coaches who could succeed at Iowa. There are also a lot who could come here and put the program in a worse position than with the current staff.
Regardless, it's a moot point anyway because there is exactly a 0% chance that Barta fires T&T. They'll be here for the remainder of their contracts at minimum. If anyone is hoping for coaching staff changes, the only chance is with the assistants/HWC. That's just the reality.
I would be pretty shocked if Gary Barta even knew who David Taylor was.
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