Frost and NE 5-7 for 2018
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Why do you think I come here, you Hawk fans bring a smile to my face and make me laugh.
I know what you mean it's like watching Husker football of late every Saturday in the Fall especially their pink shirts and them trying to play D. Gut busting laughter.
Jesus..same ol tired song. Fusker fans talkin chit...win somethin then come back. Please?
Actually "delusional" is a word that perfectly describes the typical husker fan.
Says a Hawk fan apparently biased with hatred toward the Huskers...that's credible
Ur kidding right? As much publicity UCF just got last season as the only undefeated FBS team, their win over Auburn, and being their prime subject of the playoff debate, u cant be so nieve as to actually believe the recruits aren't well aware of who he is. Not to mention the west coast kids are fully aware of his time at Oregon. Come on man. Lol
The question is whether Frost is a great recruiter like an Urban Meyer. He didn't have any top 20 type classes at UCF smack dab in the middle of prime talent. .Was he a good recruiter at Oregon?
Because he was in a Group of 5 school and recruiting against Florida, FSU, Miami. Any top kid playing college ball in the state of Florida wasnt going to UCF. From the moment he got hired at Nebraska, he took Rileys 94th ranked 2018 class and elevated it to #21 ranked class in just a month. So yea he can recruit. But yea Urban Meyer does carry a ton of weight at OSU.
Thats slightly misleading in regards to Rileys ranking and what Frost did when he came in. Riley actually had arguably the best class coming together in quite some time. That is right up until game one when, in embarrassing fashion, he lost to Northern Illinois. The writing was on the wall after game one. Recruits started dropping almost immediately after that. Frost gets credit without a doubt for putting together a really decent class on short notice.
Next year will be tough, and really shouldnt gauge how he will potentially do. 2019/20 is the barometer of his success and rightfully so. As it stands, many teams have scoreboard and will until he can beat them. I actually worry about his up tempo offense in the B1G. Especially against teams like Wisconsin and Iowa as both teams have proven time and again that their style of football is the great equalizer when playing uptempo teams. Im cautiously optimistic that once Frost gets his guys to run his system he can turn the corner, but its going to take some time and there will be some bumps and bruises along the way.
You can also google Penn State vs Iowa and watch that defense give up nearly 600 yards of offense to a team that runs a type of power spread. Feel good about that game vs OSU. Iowa played very well. But I remember browsing here after the PSU game and fans were adamant about how bad the defense looked vs the PSU offense. They gained 5.8 yards per carry and completed 65% of their passes. And it was actually uglier the year before for Iowa vs that offense.
Iowa's defense hasn't been a model of consistency vs spread style offenses. It had success vs OSU, but it's also had its fair share of trouble stopping non-power offenses.
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I realize you are more interested in acting like Iowa's defense is far superior to whatever offense Frost can put on the field, but my comments have been more geared toward the style of play and what changes it or the school's that play against it may make in order to have success. I think an interesting look at how a really good Big Ten defense struggled with the spread is to go back and look at Michigan State in 2014 and 2015 against Oregon.
Oregon played in the first CFP in 2014. Michigan State was runner up in the B1G. MSU had a lot of trouble stopping that offense. They also struggled mightily against OSU that season. Gave up a combined 95 points to those two spread offenses. Granted, those were two of the best offenses in the country. But MSU's defense was one of the best in the country as well, and a "typical" B1G defense.
In 2015 MSU fared better vs Oregon. MSU went on to play in the CFP that year. For what it's worth, Vernon Adams was the QB at Oregon and he struggled in that offense for the first half of the year. Funny enough, that was the year Nebraska knocked off #6 MSU in Lincoln on a controversial play.
I guess my point is that I don't think it's all that clear cut that a spread offense will have trouble against traditional B1G defenses that are built for power football. Some people here have acted like it's a sure thing, but I think it's more about matchups, coaches' abilities to tweak game plays vs the spread, and teams with spread offenses having defenses tough enough to stop the run.
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That's a great question that takes a few years to answer, IMO. I think you have to look at how he's able to build a roster of coaches that has the right connections and abilities to recruit at a high level. Part of recruiting is talent evaluation, which is probably more meaningful than an average class ranking. It will take a few years to see how his recruits grow and show up on the field.
While recruiting is important, I do think his most important job right now is building a culture of toughness and accountability that sorely lacked when Riley was at Nebraska. I think making positive, meaningful changes to the culture, which I think he's doing, can pay immediate dividends and create a more consistent performance. That Husker team last year played like a bunch of Eyores. Watching your team get beat is never fun. But watching such tame effort and aggression was the worst part.
Do we make you laugh more than Nebraska football?
Not a hater, just a realistic college football fan. With Nebraska's roster and schedule, 5 to 6 wins next season appears realistic. If you are one of those Nebraska fans expecting 9 to 10 wins next season, then yes that is delusional.
Why would I need to google the Iowa vs Penn State game because unlike you I actually watched both games. Barkley is a hell of a running back and made many defenses look bad, so what's your point? I do know that Iowa's defense was much better/tougher than your Nebby pinkskirt defense.
If you're wrong, will you promise to never, ever again come to this forum, under any username?
You're apparently not as delusional a many of your brethren. Winning 7 regular games for Nebraska would likely come down to defeating Michigan St as their other potential 6 wins would then need to be over: Akron, Colorado, Troy, Purdue, Minny, and Illinois
They have the talent and the coaching that they should win all of these:
Akron
Colorado
Troy
Purdue
Northwestern
Minnesota
Illinois
However, they will drop one of these games and then will provide a surprise upset against a favored team most likely MSU or Iowa, and that is because they are both late in the year.
You're probably right. Nebraska is the only team that will get better as the season progresses. I'm sure Iowa's young team will regress as the players develop.
Lol, Neb has almost 0% chance to beat NW & Pur. Prob less than 5% chance to beat Col & that’s only if the game’s in Lincoln. In Boulder I’ll give Neb 0% chance.
Neb will lose 3 maybe 4 of those games u mention.....why do you pick them to upset Iowa or Mich St and not Mich or Ohio St? No respect as usual from nebby fans......no way neb wins 7....please take off your pinkish/red glasses.
I'm thinking nebby loses to CO, Purdont, NW, and MN. I think Akron keeps it close.
My assumption was that those Oregon and OSU teams need a capable QB to see success like that. If we are dreaming of Nebraska becoming one of those great Oregon offenses of the past, Husker fans will have to wait until Frost gets that dynamic QB on the field.
That's true. Ya know it's not what other teams do it's always what nebby does with these bozos across the river.
Good. That way when it doesn't happen you will be angry and in denial.
Um, their O scored 19 points bud! Anyone on here whining that the D cost us the game is a MORON. With that said, I sure don't remember any whining about it. Yards don't mean shit, points are how we judge who wins. Reminds me of you braskans whining about how we didn't really "win" in '15. Look at the scoreboard when the clock hits zero
Nice try though lol.
Gonna need to find some guys that will give him more than .4 seconds to throw the ball
MSU beat OR in 15. They lost in 14 but OSU sure didn't lose to them that year
.In 15 msu held OR to one of their lowest scores, but scored more on them than they did in most b1g games.
Sorry, I don't understand your point......
Nothing is a sure thing, but nothing you said seems to state frosty will ever come in and dominate.
That's because my argument is not that Frost come's in and dominates. My argument is that Big Ten defenses haven't proven they have the ability to shut down spread option offenses consistently. A few have had success on a game-by-game basis, but its not like each time a traditional 4-3 B1G defense comes up against the spread option they have success shutting it down.MSU beat OR in 15. They lost in 14 but OSU sure didn't lose to them that year
In 15 msu held OR to one of their lowest scores, but scored more on them than they did in most b1g games.
Sorry, I don't understand your point......
Nothing is a sure thing, but nothing you said seems to state frosty will ever come in and dominate.
Some on this board act like it's all but a fact. My argument is that it hasn't been demonstrated consistently.
I remember that game, and I remember MANY fans on THIS BOARD talking about how it should have never been close. PSU offense dominated Iowa's defense during that game. I actually told Iowa fans that the team hung in there despite getting owned by the PSU offense, but it was to no avail.Um, their O scored 19 points bud! Anyone on here whining that the D cost us the game is a MORON. With that said, I sure don't remember any whining about it. Yards don't mean shit, points are how we judge who wins. Reminds me of you braskans whining about how we didn't really "win" in '15. Look at the scoreboard when the clock hits zero
Nice try though lol.
Yards mean a lot, actually. Total offense is one of the best indicators of a successful offense and points scored. It's not perfectly linear, because sometimes teams own the defense and then opportunistic turnovers occur outside the normal rate of occurrence. And that's what happened with PSU's offense on that day.
Barkely made Iowa's defense look bad, but lets not act like the QB ran that offense over, under, and around Iowa's defense.
When someone has to resort to name calling and changing the focus of the subject to help make their argument, you know their argument is not a very good one.
You're so sensitive that I brought up the PSU game to counter to you bringing up Iowa's defense vs OSU, that you try to change the comparison from how Iowa handles spread options to "yeah but, Nebraska's defense is worse..." Like a kid on the playground. At least I know who I'm dealing with.
