Thank you for this. I literally laughed out loud at my desk.
FSU "Chief Osceola" is the #1 Most Offensive College Mascot! Notre Dame's Leprechaun is #4!
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This poll is disappointing. I've always liked Osceola as FSU's mascot.
But even “pretty much” is different than “all he did”, and is dangerous stereotyping.
Osceola was born Billy Powell Jr and was 3/4s white, 1/4 Muscogee Creek and a tiny portion black. So white is alright.
Why dont we scrap herky and get a Red Tailed Hawk to have at the games? There are rescue birds who can no longer fly who would do well in the role.
Talk about angered white people...
PETA will have your feathered asses.
Sheeeeeit. I’m not reading 5 pages on this, but I will say that, even though I WISH it wasn’t true since my beloved Chicago Blackhawks have a VERY similar connection and message with their mascot, TJ is right and it is still a mascot.
Yeah, because he’s potentially way too offensive a mascot. And I don’t subscribe to the idea that it can’t be both a well-intentioned tribute as an homage done by good people, while at the same time being problematic for American Indians.
If FSU fans wanna keep the word "Seminoles", they may have to sacrifice the guy dressed-up as an Indian with a spear, riding a horse onto the field, and throwing it into the ground.
First of all, Indian is an offensive word. And second of all, I’ve already mentioned it multiple times but Osceola is 3/4s white so it isn’t someone “dressed up as an Indian” but a white member of the newly created Seminole tribe that was made up of whites, mixed race, blacks, and native Americans. Essentially anyone who had appropriate cause to fear the American troops banded together in Florida.
Nor was Osceola the only white or mostly white leader of the Seminoles. One of the principal leaders during the First Seminole War was his cousin Peter McQueen who was also 3/4’s Scottish and 1/4 Muscogee Creek. William McIntosh also known as Tustunnuggee Hutke (White Warrior) who was half Scots and half Creek; William Weatherford also known as Hopnicafutsahia (Truth Teller) was 1/2 Scots, 1/4 French and 1/4 Creek and was great grandson of a famous French general; and Alexander McGillvray was 1/2 Scots and 1/2 Creek. Juan Caballos or John Horse was a famous Seminole leader as well and he was half black and half Creek. There’s a ton more of indeterminate mixed race ethnicity.
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I get that. It’s the red face paint that’s always made me uneasy.
Sitting Indian style apparently was that they changed it to calling it criss cross applesauce. I thought that was silly, but apparently it was driven by some people being offended.
Sheezus... it's a travesty what the PC disgrace has done to the language.
I was surprised it was 5 pages too, but there's a lot of in-fighting spread throughout.
I conceded that it's a mascot which pays tribute to the Seminole Tribe of Florida and, as many others have stated, we're not changing it anytime soon--forced or voluntarily.
To my knowledge Indian isn't offensive, it's confusing due to Indians also being from India. Injun, RedSkins, etc. would be offensive. Indian and Native American seem perfectly fine.
Not to get too far OT, but it's interesting to see the Native American perspective on the show Yellowstone.
I can see that. I know a few African Americans who hate the term "African" because they aren't from Africa.
