No, let it continue. It is the best way to vet and sort opinions. Everything reaches an eventual conclusion.
FSU to the BIG in next 30 days?
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Not being critical. But, following this thread, I feel as if we're close to that conclusion. The other poster has now become quite cynical of the people he started out trying to "protect".
Actually, I find it absolutely hilarious that you would speak for an indigenous people as if you actually represent them. You do know that the Seminole Nation has given their blessing to the iconography of which you speak?
If the Seminoles are OK with it, you have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to be critical. It does NOT affect you!!!
Get off your self-righteous rant.
What is pathetic, is you don't even understand what bigoted statements you are making. What you are doing is saying the Seminoles are wrong and they should change to support your views. The Seminole nation supports FSU and are partners with them. By attacking FSU you are also attacking native Americans.
As someone who is part Osage I find your statements offensive!
I started out to protect all people from stereotyping, not just Seminoles.
Nonetheless, how have I become cynical of the Seminoles?
Yes. And they were wrong to do so. It legitimized stereotyping.
You have offended every Native American in the country. You do NOT represent any tribe. Yet, are telling the Seminoles they are wrong. You are a bigot!
True, not directly: But: Tampa Bay News: “While the Seminole Tribe of Florida gets no financial compensation for the university's use of the Seminole name and related symbols, the richness of the relationship brings a variety of social and economic benefits to our tribe”.
…and economic. Wish I could bold.
Are they receiving money from FSU? Edit: That is what you previously stated. I still feel embarrassed for you.
The Seminoles and FSU have a tremendous relationship, with the University honoring the tribe’s history and present-day community in many, many ways.
I don't know, maybe this exchange.
They may know how, but they clearly didn’t choose that way, I imagine for the money.
Carry on with this discussion; I've nothing more to add. At this point, you have become the Black Knight on this one.
But can’t a person attack a person or group for reasons other than the person or group’s race or ethnicity?
No. I didn’t say they were receiving money “from FSU”. I said they agreed to things “probably for the money”, i.e. “economic benefits” per the tribe’s spokesperson in the Tampa Bay News clip I posted.
Lol…what a silly thing to worry about…just leave the Chiefs alone. I think many, many people want the return of the Washington Redskins. In any event, football fans still think of that organization as the Redskins. Why don’t we just get rid of the Minnesota Vikings name /logo as that offends people of Scandinavian descent.
This whole argument was about race.
I am done arguing with you. You aren't a native American and to be honest, your opinion is worthless. My Grandmother would have torn you a new ahole if she were still alive.
But you’ve decided to be offended. Very interesting. 🤨
Again, that is not the same thing. They are the “Fighting Irish”, not “the Irish”. Therefore it makes sense and is okay to portray the “Fighting Irish” as…fighting.
Thank you for clarifying. You are saying the Seminole Tribe sold out their history to FSU for mascots and chants. All because of money.
Well, the post calling me a bigot spun off a side point, with me challenging the idea that criticizing a person or group makes one a bigot against that group. It does not.
But my central point here remains: Any stereotyping of a group of people (e.g. Seminoles) into a single pervasive image (e.g. Chief Osceola on a horse) is wrong and dangerous.
Again, not offended. But I think single image stereotyping of a group of people is wrong and dangerous.
Even if the group you believe is being stereotyped doesn't agree? Also, that has helped create the images/traditions that you believe contribute to this stereotype?
That’s a little wider than I would say. But I think they damaged their future (and those of their tribe members) by accepting the stereotyping in exchange for “economic benefits”.
You see, the funny thing is…the two ‘parties’ involved disagree. The ACTUAL tribe doesn’t have that opinion, but YOU do? Come on, Mark from Jersey……
Don’t you think you’re trying too hard to be upset?
Irish people that I know, (as well as Americans of Irish descent) would tell ya that they aren't offended because they aren't a bunch of pussies. Maybe the Seminoles feel the same.
I am sure the emails and text messages between the playoff committee and ESPN executives will prove this conspiracy.
FSU has a lot riding on their bowl game. If Georgia picks the shit out of them I am sure some will say “ well yeah, we didn’t have our QB “
Yes. The Seminoles were wrong to support this stereotyping.
Money (“economic benefits”) coerces.
How noble of you to be offended on their behalf.
After all, there's no possible way they can think for themselves.
