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Glad to beat Pissconsin, BUT

Fran is choosing the "threat" of scoring in Jordan over the intangibles of Joe.

Joe is faster, a better defender, and can create his own shot off the dribble/handle the ball better.

Jordan doesn't turn it over unless he decides to make a lazy pass here or there in transition (or the occasional zig when someone should've zagged).

He is also not afraid to shoot 3s and is a true threat from the FT line. Something, Joe is still improving on.

Teams have to account for Jordan at all times and usually sic one of their best defenders on him to hound him everywhere he goes. Even when he's not scoring (as frustrating as that probably is for him in what will probably be his final season), teams must lock onto him.

They back off of Joe and dare him to shoot 3s, and Joe will still pass them up.

That's really the difference right now. I think if they were willing to allow their offense to open up the lane a bit more to let Joe drive and attack the basket/free up the drive and kick, then there would be a much bigger role for Joe and I think that would benefit Iowa in the long run.

The issue is whether they can gameplan to make that in-game adjustment....or if they're gonna stay set in their ways.

I personally think getting your usual scoring....AND offense from Joe with designed looks for him to drive and do what he does best........MAKES Iowa the best (or at least a better) version of themselves.

Just sayin.

No, this is an intelligent critique. And I agree with most of it.
 
No. That’s an opinion. Want a fact? JT is tied for our team lead in turnovers while only playing 12 mpg. Pretty impressive huh. Get him some more minutes and he can lead the country in that all important stat.
No, it is definitely a fact. Jbo is not even CLOSE to deserving 35 minutes. What in your mind from watching this game tells you he deserved to be out there that much?
 
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Still giving opponents way too many second chances. I hated seeing Wisky getting like five straight cracks at hitting a 3.

If Wisky could hit the broad side of a barn, it would have been a lot closer, and maybe even an L.
You mean those 5 shots that were so far off they came back out 15 feet, those shots? My only bitch is about 6 unforced TOs and poor FT shooting that will bite you the azz in close games...
 
This is why Fran isn't playing him. I would like to see him get a bit more run because I think he would benefit from a vote of confidence. But I understand why Fran isn't playing him.

It is what it is at this point. From here on out, I'm going to tune out the fact that Joe T is even on this team because he's not going to be a meaningful factor this year. If JBo is playing poorly or not contributing I'm just going to put the blinders on and pretend Iowa only has walk-ons to sub for him.
 
Joe t will never stretch the defense like jbo. You wanna see them sag off joe t and give more attention to Garza? Joe t def plays better defense, but they haven’t been to bad defensively the last few games.

And Jordan will never be able to get open.

He can't drive, he can't create and he can't even get a clean jump shot off.

Stretching the D is nice but it can't be the primary thing your pg does.
 
No, it is definitely a fact. Jbo is not even CLOSE to deserving 35 minutes. What in your mind from watching this game tells you he deserved to be out there that much?

The scary thing is if Iowa had a traditional point guard who could beat guys off the dribble and kick out to open shooters this team could average 100/game. Or, lock it down defensively to force more turnovers.
 
I'm bothered by Fran's lack of timeout usage and I'm even more bothered by not having a real point guard. Iowa is lucky Wisconsin is such a bad offensive team.

Yes, I'm going to enjoy the win, but figured a win is a good time for constructive criticism.

But for real, though, this shit is like if Alford was to play Brody Boyd at point 30 + minutes.
LOL, comeon man
 
No, it is definitely a fact. Jbo is not even CLOSE to deserving 35 minutes. What in your mind from watching this game tells you he deserved to be out there that much?
You really haven’t a clue what the words fact and opinion mean do you?
 
It is what it is at this point. From here on out, I'm going to tune out the fact that Joe T is even on this team because he's not going to be a meaningful factor this year. If JBo is playing poorly or not contributing I'm just going to put the blinders on and pretend Iowa only has walk-ons to sub for him.
To be clear I wouldn't mind Joe T playing more but his turnover rate is bad. Like really bad. I think he would even out with some more playing time. I also think Iowa closed out a game against a ranked opponent and won by 15 points. And that is a good result.
 
The scary thing is if Iowa had a traditional point guard who could beat guys off the dribble and kick out to open shooters this team could average 100/game. Or, lock it down defensively to force more turnovers.
That is why having cj makes such a huge difference, it’s another player to stretch the floor which takes pressure off from having to penetrate to create, can do it with ball movement and screens to get defenders out of position. Don’t understand why fran doesn’t play joet more at pg and jbo at the 2 when cj is either on the bench or nor suited up. Obviously fran is riding the experience
 
To be clear I wouldn't mind Joe T playing more but his turnover rate is bad. Like really bad. I think he would even out with some more playing time. I also think Iowa closed out a game against a ranked opponent and won by 15 points. And that is a good result.

I would just like to see him about five minutes per half. He's getting 3 or 4 minutes in the first half and that's it. It's bit Iowa before and I think it will again.
 
I disagree. I'm perfectly reasonable and intelligent.

I'll take your word for it.

The problem I have with many in the fan base is if Iowa wins they think there's nothing to be critical of. But when Iowa loses, those same fans bitch like Iowa is the worst P5 team in the country.

This was a great team win. But let's not pretend there aren't things to critique, especially with this team's stated goals of making a deep run in March.
 
You really haven’t a clue what the words fact and opinion mean do you?
Sorry. It is my opinion, that is backed up by the FACT, his stats sucked dick tonight; therefore he didn’t deserve 35 minutes. Now go ahead and answer my question.
 
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And Jordan will never be able to get open.

He can't drive, he can't create and he can't even get a clean jump shot off.

Stretching the D is nice but it can't be the primary thing your pg does.

Correct. Point guard is the most important position on the floor. Pretty hard to reach lofty goals if you're only getting average play at the point.
 
I was glad to see Joe T up cheering for the team late in the game. I would have liked to see some additional substitutions, but the team responded well when Wisconsin cut it to 3 in the second half. JBo did a good job knocking down free throws to ensure Wisconsin did not have a chance at the end of the game.
Yes , we held them off. But while our lead was melting, I was yelling for Joe T to come in and disrupt their
offensive momentum. It's a higher percentage play to stop the bleeding with a 10 point lead than it is to
stop it with a 3 point lead.
 
We do have a legit pg, JoeT. He just gets pulled IMMEDIATELY for some reason.
There was a point in the first half after Garza had made a couple 3s in a short period of time, if I recall, and Luka and JoeT ran a pick and pop. Both defenders stayed with JoeT, leaving Luka wide open for a 3 and JoeT didn't pass to him, didn't score, didn't do anything productive. My son and I were in disbelief. A true point guard finds the hot hand and passes the ball to him.
 
Yes, those big moments with ten minutes left in the first half with the team up by 11 when he was taken out of the game for good. He clearly sucks and he shows how much he sucks in those three minutes he gets every game. He should be kicked off the team.
overreact much?
I think Fran just doesn’t have the trust factor there yet for JT. I think Joe tries to do too much at times and it backfires on him. Games like this where momentum is big you have to control the game and JT hasn’t proven he can handle it consistently. Hopefully it will come but clearly JBO has a better handle on managing the game .
 
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I watched the entire game completely blasted (and still am) so I may be off base, but I thought Toussaint played really well in the first half in the few minutes he got and didn’t understand why he didn’t get a look in the second. 4 minutes total for backup PG’s. Nunge with limited minutes too. Fran decided it was a starters + Keegan game evidently. Whatever. Take the 15 pt dub

I’m just glad you’re not in the midst of a “holiday” from this board, because I can’t provide this content. At least not puffing this indica strain. If I got my sativa out, who knows?
 
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There was a point in the first half after Garza had made a couple 3s in a short period of time, if I recall, and Luka and JoeT ran a pick and pop. Both defenders stayed with JoeT, leaving Luka wide open for a 3 and JoeT didn't pass to him, didn't score, didn't do anything productive. My son and I were in disbelief. A true point guard finds the hot hand and passes the ball to him.
This is true. He also had a nice floater in the lane and nice backdoor pass to pmac for an easy layup and played very good defense. But hey, lets focus on that TO.
 
Still giving opponents way too many second chances. I hated seeing Wisky getting like five straight cracks at hitting a 3.

If Wisky could hit the broad side of a barn, it would have been a lot closer, and maybe even an L.
Agreed wisky really laid some bricks especially in first half
 
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I’m just glad you’re not in the midst of a “holiday” from this board, because I can’t provide this content. At least not puffing this indica strain. If I got my sativa out, who knows?
It was a Jack Daniels scene for me tonight but I like your style. Placed a small wager on a Hawks win as well and we can notch it up to a successful Friday Eve
 
If JoeT would just friggin slow down and let the game come to him, good things would happen. But he doesn't. He flies around like a maniac and gets pulled. Jbo back in the game. It's that simple.
 
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Pretty simply put he is just not playing well enough to get consistent minutes . And seems his turnovers are always in big moments...
He plays good defense which should be enough to see the floor for more than a few minutes. His turnover was a direct result of being bodied out of bounds, which should be a foul. Sure, he has his brain farts but I see plenty of them from the upperclassmen as well.
 
JoeW hit somIe big shots and nice to see them step up instead of folding. Big win. I would have have played JoeT some of JBo's minutes 4min vs 35min is out of proportion, especially if JBO not shooting well which he wasn't.

Its not even a matter of shooting well.

He cannot get open to save his life.

If he had a pg capable of creating offense for him I have no doubt he could knock down open shots but he gets a good look at a shot maybe once every other game.

Playing him for 35 minutes when he's essentially accomplishing nothing but spacing the floor and not directly turning it over is insane.

Allot of Iowas turnovers tonight were a result of not having a pg on the floor that can beat pressure defense off the dribble.
 
This is true. He also had a nice floater in the lane and nice backdoor pass to pmac for an easy layup and played very good defense. But hey, lets focus on that TO.
It was the failure to pass to our POY candidate who was hot. He's a sophomore. He should be able to recognize who just set the screen for him and that both defenders are guarding him. That's just a simple play that some may not recognize, but one that drives coaches nuts.
 
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