Go Back To The BCS System

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

I think the BCS had finally been tweaked where it was working how it should AND the two best teams made it.

We have a four team playoff and people still complain. We will go to eight which will water it down even more and then teams #9/10 will moan and groan. Then five years after eight we will be at 16.

College football will be ruined if we go to an eight team playoff.

 

[Sett1997]

I think the BCS had finally been tweaked where it was working how it should AND the two best teams made it.

We have a four team playoff and people still complain. We will go to eight which will water it down even more and then teams #9/10 will moan and groan. Then five years after eight we will be at 16.

College football will be ruined if we go to an eight team playoff.

Wth?

 

[StormHawk42]

No it won’t be ruined

8 teams would be awesome but I hope they would give the first round as a home game as unlikely as that is

 

[Sett1997]

No it won’t be ruined

8 teams would be awesome but I hope they would give the first round as a home game as unlikely as that is

That's not fair either. Shouldn't be any home games.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

What do you do then? All five conference champs and three at-large?

The "little guy" still doesn't make it....

so no, go back to the bcs ways

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

That's not fair either. Shouldn't be any home games.

There has to be. For the fans sake of traveling.

 

[Sett1997]

There has to be. For the fans sake of traveling.

I see your point there. Agreed.

 

[pocha444444]

OP's sports opinions are more regressive than his political ones, and that is saying a lot.

 

[spiderland]

I say go back to the good old days with conference bowl tie-ins and two human-voted polls at the end to say who was best.

But then I yell at kids to get off my lawn, too...

 

[amahawk]

I think the BCS had finally been tweaked where it was working how it should AND the two best teams made it.

We have a four team playoff and people still complain. We will go to eight which will water it down even more and then teams #9/10 will moan and groan. Then five years after eight we will be at 16.

College football will be ruined if we go to an eight team playoff.

I even liked the pre-BCS Bowl system. Does having a "real" champion matter?

 

[ctghawk]

OP's sports opinions are more regressive than his political ones, and that is saying a lot.

The BCS made CFP even more political. Great.
Signed, UCF

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Said this in the other thread and it takes care of this fairly without 8: I would actually prefer a 6 team playoff: each power 5 champion and one at-large non-P5 (the only one determined by comittee). 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5 rotating between a few minor early bowls as the "play-in" games: Cactus Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl, New Mexico Bowl, New Orleans Bowl, Hawaii Bowl, St Petersburg Bowl, etc. Winners go on to the semifinal bowls, losers to the rest of the NY6 bowls.

 

[BetterLuckNextTime]

Modern football is too progressive. We should do away with uniforms and wear animal furs and toss boulders instead. Anyone who thinks the BCS was better is smoking bathsalts.

 

[Sett1997]

Modern football is too progressive. We should do away with uniforms and wear animal furs and toss boulders instead. Anyone who thinks the BCS was better is smoking bathsalts.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[DaCDiggity]

What do you do then? All five conference champs and three at-large?

The "little guy" still doesn't make it....

so no, go back to the bcs ways

1 at large needs to be a G5 qualifier

 

[amahawk]

NASCAR,NFL etc. Overhype kills what ever it touches. Probably college football included.

 

[iahawks10]

1 at large needs to be a G5 qualifier

Not in an 8 team playoff.

16 team playoff, I’d give it to you. Maybe even in a 12 team one. An 8 team playoff with 6 AQs kind of defeats the purpose of going to 8 IMO. People debating for two at large teams would be out of hand.

Then there’s the elephant in the room, what do we guarantee independents?

 

[unoHawkeye]

Not in an 8 team playoff.

16 team playoff, I’d give it to you. Maybe even in a 12 team one. An 8 team playoff with 6 AQs kind of defeats the purpose of going to 8 IMO. People debating for two at large teams would be out of hand.

Then there’s the elephant in the room, what do we guarantee independents?

We can guarantee independents a chance to join a conference

 

[iahawks10]

We can guarantee independents a chance to join a conference

How can you guarantee that?

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Absolutely not.
The BCS was marginally an improvement over the human polls. At best.

Playoffs "watering down" college football is nonsense. Does it minimize FCS, NCAA basketball, or virtually every other sport that has a more inclusive system to determine their champ? Of course not.

 

[Herky T Hawk]

8 team playoff. First round is home games. 5 conference champs plus 3 at large teams.

As for the home game issue not being fair. Is it fair when any SEC team gets to play a playoff game in the Sugar, Orange, or Peach bowls? Or when Oklahoma or Texas gets to play in the Cotton Bowl? Or when any PAC 12 team plays in the Rose Bowl? If a Northern team has a better ranking for the first round, it should be played somewhere that gives them a slight advantage.

 

[hexumhawk]

Guys there is a format already used in every other division of CFB. Use the same one and be done. Everyone that has a legit argument would be in and it would be settled on the field.

 

[HaydenHawk8]

Id say go to 8 teams. I realize the "little" guy might be left out, but in this case if a non-power 5 team is rated in the top 12, then they should be given an at-large. So this year you could of played first round games in mid-December at school sites or you could probably get "neutral" type sites.
Then still have the semi's on New years day and then finals on January 8th.

Clemson vs Wisky
Bama vs OSU

USC vs Georgia
OU vs UCF

Id even go as far to set it up so there are "regional" match-ups in the first round, so its easier for fans to travel. I just think the FCS set up is pretty neat, but its also loaded to teams who have home field advantage. I hope that FBS can come to something similar w/8 teams.

 

[hexumhawk]

Id say go to 8 teams. I realize the "little" guy might be left out, but in this case if a non-power 5 team is rated in the top 12, then they should be given an at-large. So this year you could of played first round games in mid-December at school sites or you could probably get "neutral" type sites.
Then still have the semi's on New years day and then finals on January 8th.

Clemson vs Wisky
Bama vs OSU

USC vs Georgia
OU vs UCF

Id even go as far to set it up so there are "regional" match-ups in the first round, so its easier for fans to travel. I just think the FCS set up is pretty neat, but its also loaded to teams who have home field advantage. I hope that FBS can come to something similar w/8 teams.

Agree 8 is logical next step but with 16 you have home field for high seeds for sure. How awesome would it be to finally see southern schools have to come north to play meaningful games! Would LOVE to see those matchups where they meant more than just winning the outback bowl, cotton bowl, ect...

 

[HaydenHawk8]

Agree 8 is logical next step but with 16 you have home field for high seeds for sure. How awesome would it be to finally see southern schools have to come north to play meaningful games! Would LOVE to see those matchups where they meant more than just winning the outback bowl, cotton bowl, ect...

I agree that would be awesome seeing some of those players come up and play in Wisconsin or Iowa City in December.

With 16 teams how would scheduling go? I think they could do it, it would just have to cut out all the "awards" ceremonies and play games straight through. I would even favor cutting a non-conf game out of the mix. Hell play 11 games and have champ weekend on Thanksgiving weekend. Holiday weekend easier for fans to travel possibly.

 

[hexumhawk]

I agree that would be awesome seeing some of those players come up and play in Wisconsin or Iowa City in December.

With 16 teams how would scheduling go? I think they could do it, it would just have to cut out all the "awards" ceremonies and play games straight through. I would even favor cutting a non-conf game out of the mix. Hell play 11 games and have champ weekend on Thanksgiving weekend. Holiday weekend easier for fans to travel possibly.

That is the other big problem. Teams are use to the revenue of that 7th home game where they usually schedule cupcakes. The other is the conference campionship games would need to go away or get moved up.

If they found a way to funnel the TV money from playoff to the conferences to offset those things, it will happen.

 

[nu2u]

Said this in the other thread and it takes care of this fairly without 8: I would actually prefer a 6 team playoff: each power 5 champion and one at-large non-P5 (the only one determined by comittee). 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5 rotating between a few minor early bowls as the "play-in" games: Cactus Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl, New Mexico Bowl, New Orleans Bowl, Hawaii Bowl, St Petersburg Bowl, etc. Winners go on to the semifinal bowls, losers to the rest of the NY6 bowls.

I like what you have come up with here except for one aspect - multiple bowl games. I think you would have very good attendance at the initial round of bowl games but the second round would be a potential disaster. Will fans of the winning teams show up in equal numbers for the 2nd bowl? Unlikely, it becomes a pocket book issue for an overwhelming majority of fans. The idea of the losing teams playing in the NY6 bowls would be an attendance and TV viewing debacle. If you could tweak it so that you have one bowl game (higher seed 1st round home game?) and the lose teams are eliminated then you have a much better system IMO.

 

[IamHawkeye]

I think the BCS had finally been tweaked where it was working how it should AND the two best teams made it.

We have a four team playoff and people still complain. We will go to eight which will water it down even more and then teams #9/10 will moan and groan. Then five years after eight we will be at 16.

College football will be ruined if we go to an eight team playoff.

I'm actually agreeing with the OP in a sense. You have in basketball where conference championships are degraded because it;s the NCAA's or nothing and even making the NCAA's is nothing for some fans if there's a loss in the first round.. In football some fans say the bowl games are worthless (except for the playoff ones)l Some fans are talking about 16 teams in a playoff. This is football, folks, and I don't care how many games other Divisions play for their championships (which I don't know.) it's not good for college kids to play that many games. 13 is enough, maybe too many. And a Div. III team I bet does not have a lot of 300lb kids hitting each other. Let's see, what's the most a Hayden team played.? An Evy team? How many games did Kinnick in one year? Time to stop adding on games. CTE anyone?

 

[IamHawkeye]

EVy's

 

[Herky the Uruk-hai]

The single biggest problem with the system as it is currently is that the teams do not apply the same standards when it comes to scheduling games. If the NCAA is going to determine a National Championship then I believe it is time to force all teams to comply to a set standard when it comes to non-conference games. If you are good enough to be considered the best then Mercer should not be on your schedule.

 

[WhiteSoxClone]

We have a four team playoff and people still complain. We will go to eight which will water it down even more and then teams #9/10 will moan and groan.

The problem with only being at 4 is that it isn't enough to be sure that you have the best team in the field. If you go to eight, then I think you can be confident that the best team is in the field. Sure, #9 might complain that it is better than #8, but it will be a rare year that there will be people actually arguing that #9 was not only better than #8, but was in fact, the best team in the country. The goal should be to have a field big enough to know that you have the best team in the country in the playoff. Eight accomplishes that in my opinion.

 

[HawkOn15]

I say keep the four team playoff but get rid of the committee and use the computer from the BCS system. Eight team playoff is to many games for college athletes where it could run really late in the year.

 

[Hawkeyes4Life247]

I used to be in favor of an 8 or 16 team tournament, but after following the FCS tournament this year, I in no way want to see more than four teams. Four teams allows for better matchups to be selected, and then bowls can pick competitive matchups beyond the playoff. The FCS tournament, and most lower level tournaments, are garbage consisting of mostly blowouts until you get down to the two to four teams that actually should be playing for a championship.

 

[HawkOn15]

I used to be in favor of an 8 or 16 team tournament, but after following the FCS tournament this year, I in no way want to see more than four teams. Four teams allows for better matchups to be selected, and then bowls can pick competitive matchups beyond the playoff. The FCS tournament, and most lower level tournaments, are garbage consisting of mostly blowouts until you get down to the two to four teams that actually should be playing for a championship.

Agree, this was the first year where at least one of the games was competitive throughout the entire game.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

I like what you have come up with here except for one aspect - multiple bowl games. I think you would have very good attendance at the initial round of bowl games but the second round would be a potential disaster. Will fans of the winning teams show up in equal numbers for the 2nd bowl? Unlikely, it becomes a pocket book issue for an overwhelming majority of fans. The idea of the losing teams playing in the NY6 bowls would be an attendance and TV viewing debacle. If you could tweak it so that you have one bowl game (higher seed 1st round home game?) and the lose teams are eliminated then you have a much better system IMO.

There you go two play-in games hosted by the higher seeded schools. HawkeyeReport just saved college football.

 

[kceasthawk]

I even liked the pre-BCS Bowl system. Does having a "real" champion matter?

It's hard to say yes, because we still don't have that. As long as you have a group of people sitting in a room deciding who the final group is there will always be agendas.