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Guard the freakin' 3

Posts like these help me identify who has never played a sport competitively before.

Huh? It's been a theme all year. They are 12th in the conference in 3-pt fg defense and they have given up the most 3-pointers (165) in the league. Second to last place going into this game was Ohio State with 153. In this game, they were in the game until Maryland started hitting uncontested 3's.......It's just frustrating. I understand they are young and learning and my expectations aren't crazy......However, try to stay somewhere in the middle of the league in defense........Posts like yours help me identify who falls asleep in the recliner during the game and wakes up to see the final score.
 
Huh? It's been a theme all year. They are 12th in the conference in 3-pt fg defense and they have given up the most 3-pointers (165) in the league. Second to last place going into this game was Ohio State with 153. In this game, they were in the game until Maryland started hitting uncontested 3's.......It's just frustrating. I understand they are young and learning and my expectations aren't crazy......However, try to stay somewhere in the middle of the league in defense........Posts like yours help me identify who falls asleep in the recliner during the game and wakes up to see the final score.

You do realize that they go all out to stop the 3, they will get killed on the boards. And give up 70% shooting as it's dunk city. I think frans trying to play the odds, and make teams beat us with jump shots.
 
You do realize that they go all out to stop the 3, they will get killed on the boards. And give up 70% shooting as it's dunk city. I think frans trying to play the odds, and make teams beat us with jump shots.

Nobody said go all out to guard the 3......however, they need to find a way to get a hand in their face and contest it some. They have the athleticism to do that.......just find a way to lower the opposing team's 3-pt percentage. Trust me, a little would go a long way. To your point, they really miss Woody on the defensive side of the ball.
 
Huh? It's been a theme all year. They are 12th in the conference in 3-pt fg defense and they have given up the most 3-pointers (165) in the league. Second to last place going into this game was Ohio State with 153. In this game, they were in the game until Maryland started hitting uncontested 3's.......It's just frustrating. I understand they are young and learning and my expectations aren't crazy......However, try to stay somewhere in the middle of the league in defense........Posts like yours help me identify who falls asleep in the recliner during the game and wakes up to see the final score.

Agree with the other poster that it was definitely pick your poison. We are super, super poor defensively. How many layups and dunks did you miss? Did you notice we were down 15 until we switched to zone and clawed our way back actually taking the lead? Maryland hit some threes as a result of being open in the zone and two came down the stretch when the game was being decided. Tip my cap to them. We did not play well enough to win.
 
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You do realize that they go all out to stop the 3, they will get killed on the boards. And give up 70% shooting as it's dunk city. I think frans trying to play the odds, and make teams beat us with jump shots.
Right now we are not playing any odds. We are giving up layups and open 3s.
 
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Agree with the other poster that it was definitely pick your posion. We are super, super poor defensively. How many layups and dunks did you miss? Did you notice we were down 15 until we switched to zone and clawed our way back actually taking the lead? Maryland hit some threes as a result of being open in the zone and two came down the stretch when the game was being decided. Tip my cap to them. We did not play well enough to win.

Certainly agree that this group is not very good defensively. But, I expected some improvement throughout the year. Northwestern was just ridiculous and parts of this game were bad defensively. But, when they come back from 15 down only to pack the lane and let them pass it around the horn like it is practice and pick their shot and take back the momentum at Carver is frustrating. You can actually play zone and still make it a little more difficult for them to move the ball around up top.......They will learn and get better.......
 
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Right now we are not playing any odds. We are giving up layups and open 3s.

Agree. In zone keep our bigs around the basket and tell them not to extend to the FT line plus immediately. All that does is open the baseline for cutters who get easy scores. Make that player in the middle of the zone pop 8-15 foot jump shots. For Maryland that was the big stiff Bender. Make him shoot jumpers all night to beat you.
 
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Certainly agree that this group is not very good defensively. But, I expected some improvement throughout the year. Northwestern was just ridiculous and parts of this game were bad defensively. But, when they come back from 15 down only to pack the lane and let them pass it around the horn like it is practice and pick their shot and take back the momentum at Carver is frustrating. You can actually play zone and still make it a little more difficult for them to move the ball around up top.......They will learn and get better.......

Good point and and I wanted us to make Bender beat us. Extend the zone some on top but keep the bigs down low. Open the intermediate areas for those mid-range low % jumpers.

Bottom line is the first 25 minutes sunk us. We have seen the potential this year but also the issues.
 
Good point and and I wanted us to make Bender beat us. Extend the zone some on top but keep the bigs down low. Open the intermediate areas for those mid-range low % jumpers.

Bottom line is the first 25 minutes sunk us. We have seen the potential this year but also the issues.

Yup, certainly expected some of the issues. It's just hard with 4 freshmen playing major minutes. One of the things I don't see is a definite leader on the court defensively or offensively for the Hawks. That doesn't serve them well in a close game at the end. Also I agree in that they need to start the game stronger.......
 
Nobody said go all out to guard the 3......however, they need to find a way to get a hand in their face and contest it some. They have the athleticism to do that.......just find a way to lower the opposing team's 3-pt percentage. Trust me, a little would go a long way. To your point, they really miss Woody on the defensive side of the ball.

On most of the 3 shots the opponents are getting, there is no one there to put up a hand.

A few passes and you'll get a wide open shot on Iowa
 
Scrap the man defense and play a variety of zones. Fran has fallen in love with 3-2 zone trying to stop the 3, but teams can solve this when only thing you do. But that would require too much in game coaching for Fran and staff and their hundred years of combined coaching experience.
 
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Why is that so darned hard understand?

We're too slow to guard it effectively-not hard to understand.

If we play man, they blow by us and get into the lane and cause problems thus forcing us to play zone. We all saw what happens when a team moves the ball quickly on the perimeter against our zone-wide open 3s.

Fran needs to recruit much more quickness than he has to date.
 
Agree. In zone keep our bigs around the basket and tell them not to extend to the FT line plus immediately. All that does is open the baseline for cutters who get easy scores. Make that player in the middle of the zone pop 8-15 foot jump shots. For Maryland that was the big stiff Bender. Make him shoot jumpers all night to beat you.
Agree. Clog the middle and defend the baseline. I'm fairly sure they still teach that, don't they? In my sophomore year in high school in 1968, our coach taught us to defend the baseline. :rolleyes:
 
In the last two minutes, Iowa needed to run Trimble off the 3-point line. Period. With a 3-point lead late, the thing Iowa had to eliminate was Maryland's 3-point shooter. At THAT point, it makes sense to give up a bunny if you have to because it only counts TWO points. But whatever you do, DON"T give up the THREE! And the Hawks did it twice, and that, my friends, was the ball game.
 
In the Purdue game the threes stopped dropping in during the second half.

For Maryland tired legs did not seem to affect those shots. But there was one time during the second half that me, a 68 year old could have driven the lane gotten a shot off, grabbed the rebound from my miss and then scored. It was sickening to watch it happen.

I love this team, but it is going to take some time on defense. Not sure itbwill happen this year.
 
We're too slow to guard it effectively-not hard to understand.

If we play man, they blow by us and get into the lane and cause problems thus forcing us to play zone. We all saw what happens when a team moves the ball quickly on the perimeter against our zone-wide open 3s.

Fran needs to recruit much more quickness than he has to date.

This is your answer right here. I realize Fran likes the "long, lengthy, skilled" 3-4-5 guys in the line up. I mean last year we started 6-9 3 spot, but the problem is your trying guard 6-4, 6-3 swing men with 6-9 guys who can't keep up. It becomes an instant mis-match on the defensive end. Then when we switch to zone you expect those 6-7 to 6-9 guys out on the wing to cover all that ground. I realized Cuse used to do it when they had the bigs, but their bigs were a lot more athletically gifted than ours.

Fran has to step up his game in recruiting better guards/wings. We simply do not have the level of talent to compete in the Big 10. I think in a 1-2 years we might, but currently we do not. Fran has to find a solid PG to come in and spell Bohannon.
 
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However, try to stay somewhere in the middle of the league in defense.

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