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Since 2005, the FBI and the Justice Department have launched at least 11 such investigations, some targeting high-profile former U.S. officials, including a former national security adviser and a former CIA director.

June 2020 — Investigators conducted a search of the Hawaii home of Asia Janay Lavarello, a U.S. Defense Department employee, following her return from a temporary assignment to the U.S. Embassy in Manila. Investigators found numerous classified documents, writings, and notes relating to the national defense or foreign relations and said the documents – first seen by guests at a dinner party hosted by Lavarello – had not been transported by secure diplomatic pouch, as required.

Lavarello pleaded guilty to knowingly removing classified information in July 2021. She was sentenced in February 2022 to three months in prison and a $5,500 fine.

Here is another one:

May 2018 – Former CIA contractor Reynaldo Regis pleaded guilty to charges of unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials, as well as to making false statements to federal law enforcement officers. Prosecutors said during his time at the CIA, Reyes conducted unauthorized searches of classified databases and copied the information into dozens of notebooks, which he then took home.

In November 2018, Reyes was sentenced to 90 days in jail. Regis’ lawyer later told the Associated Press and other news outlets that his client “had no nefarious purpose. It was just a mistake.”


Seems to me both trump and Biden should be serving some jail time and some nice fines. Trump more than Biden. Lock ‘em both the **** up. I am so sick and tired of these turd politicians that should be held to higher standards having zero accountability and being above the law. It’s ****ing bull shit.
 
Here is another one:

May 2018 – Former CIA contractor Reynaldo Regis pleaded guilty to charges of unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials, as well as to making false statements to federal law enforcement officers. Prosecutors said during his time at the CIA, Reyes conducted unauthorized searches of classified databases and copied the information into dozens of notebooks, which he then took home.

In November 2018, Reyes was sentenced to 90 days in jail. Regis’ lawyer later told the Associated Press and other news outlets that his client “had no nefarious purpose. It was just a mistake.”


Seems to me both trump and Biden should be serving some jail time and some nice fines. Trump more than Biden. Lock ‘em both the **** up. I am so sick and tired of these turd politicians that should be held to higher standards having zero accountability and being above the law. It’s ****ing bull shit.
I don’t either see a day in jail for this….

Another issue that gets over looked but I think has a part in all this when you’re talking punishment is “over classification”.

For the general public you’d have to know what exactly is in these classified documents. Some are probably harmless but with our penchant in the government to classify shit that doesn’t need to be classified….who knows.

Since it’s classified we probably won’t ever know exactly what was in these documents and just how egregious having them floating around was…we’ll get partisan leaks…there will be speculation.

At the end of the day there will probably not be a clear picture on how potentially damaging (or not) some of these documents were…in both cases.
 
I don’t either see a day in jail for this….

Another issue that gets over looked but I think has a part in all this when you’re talking punishment is “over classification”.

For the general public you’d have to know what exactly is in these classified documents. Some are probably harmless but with our penchant in the government to classify shit that doesn’t need to be classified….who knows.

Since it’s classified we probably won’t ever know exactly what was in these documents and just how egregious having them floating around was…we’ll get partisan leaks…there will be speculation.

At the end of the day there will probably not be a clear picture on how potentially damaging (or not) some of these documents were…in both cases.

‘Agree with all of this. Neither Biden or trump will ever see the inside of a jail cell. In fact, the chance of trump going to jail just flew right out the window with Biden and his hypocrisy. I fugging hate these politicians.
 
What should bother every American is:

1. Why are classified documents being taken in the first place?
2. How can the person who took them lose track of them?

I don't care who it is.....Trump, Biden, or a local city councilman. They need to be punished according to the law. I realize this doesn't happen to the Trumps and Bidens of the world. But it should. Maybe then the elites won't be so quick to do things like this, if they know they will get the same punishment as Joe Sixpack.

Our system of government is supposed to be run by representatives of We The People. Instead we are ruled by the elite, who operate under their own set of rules and laws.
 
Need to determine the actual classification. "Confidential" is one of the possible classifications.

I am A-OK with treating both Trump and Biden the same as we have others who have had classified documents and either cooperated with or defied the investigations and returns.
 
Need to determine the actual classification. "Confidential" is one of the possible classifications.

I am A-OK with treating both Trump and Biden the same as we have others who have had classified documents and either cooperated with or defied the investigations and returns.
The first found were Top Secret. But you already know that Riley
 
What should bother every American is:

1. Why are classified documents being taken in the first place?
2. How can the person who took them lose track of them?

I don't care who it is.....Trump, Biden, or a local city councilman. They need to be punished according to the law. I realize this doesn't happen to the Trumps and Bidens of the world. But it should. Maybe then the elites won't be so quick to do things like this, if they know they will get the same punishment as Joe Sixpack.

Our system of government is supposed to be run by representatives of We The People. Instead we are ruled by the elite, who operate under their own set of rules and laws.
So this! Well stated!
 
Improper handling of classified documents is ALWAYS wrongdoing; whether intentional, unintentional or with criminal intent. I also don't care if it's Biden or Trump. Carelessness is no excuse and I've been clamoring on for years that politicians should be held to the same standards as the IC. Period.

Like I said in the other thread, I was placed on 30 days probation at NSA because someone else misclassified a simple meeting agenda SECRET (instead of FOUO) and I didn't catch it and carried it outside the SCIF. It was my responsibility to thoroughly inspect every document in my possession before exiting the facility. I did not.

Most people will never understand just how big of a deal it is for classified materials.

Many years ago I picked up the phone in the dorm room in the middle of the night. Happened to be one coworker calling to talk to another coworker. I was like dumbass, if you are at home then he has to be a work. Three people worked overnight, and I could hear Monday Night Football in the background so I knew he wasn't at work as at least two of them had to be working.

He then informed me I was the dumbass, he was at work.

I hung up, went and got a couple other coworkers, made some calls, and went to where we worked. Twenty people or so showed up where we worked within the next hour.

We all figured something was terribly wrong if I could here MNF in the background.

Dumbasses at work had a radio inside a SCIF so they could listen to the game.

You would not believe how fast so many people that worked at Fort Mead got on planes and where in Europe the next day. Damn investigation lasted months.
 
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I know you posted articles that didn't support your assertions.
Omg…this again from you. I’ll post the article and paste some of the highlights


“The classified materials included some top-secret files with the “sensitive compartmented information” designation, also known as SCI, which is used for highly sensitive information obtained from intelligence sources.”

Also from the same document batch


CNN

“Among the items from Joe Biden’s time as vice president discovered in a private office last fall are 10 classified documents including US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.”

So Riley, there are 1O classified documents found. CNN says some are Top Secret. They also say some are related to Ukraine, Iran, UK.

Are they both?
 
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Like I said it's 25 total for all caches. You're acting like they're finding hundreds with each sweep.
There is no way to know how many documents there are at this time. Each time they found a box with a document marked classified, they immediately stopped searching that box. Some boxes might contain multiple classified documents.

“Following the initial discovery of the Penn Biden Center documents, whenever a document bearing classified markings was identified, the search was suspended of the box, file or other space where the document was discovered, with the potentially classified material left in place as found,” Bauer said, adding the US government was “promptly notified.”

“It is for this reason that the President’s personal attorneys do not know the precise number of pages in the discovered material, nor have they reviewed the content of the documents, consistent with standard procedures and requirements,” he said. “Adhering to this process means that any disclosure regarding documents cannot be conclusive until the government has conducted its inquiry, including taking possession of any documents and reviewing any surrounding material for further review and context.”
 
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Omg…this again from you. I’ll post the article and paste some of the highlights


“The classified materials included some top-secret files with the “sensitive compartmented information” designation, also known as SCI, which is used for highly sensitive information obtained from intelligence sources.”

Also from the same document batch

You said there were Top Secret documents that dealt with Ukraine. Nothing you posted supports that. You made it up. As you do with a lot of things.
 
A president and vice president current or former should be given the benefit of the doubt on most things including possession on classified materials. They are the freaking president and vice president.

What the democrats have been doing in their pursuit if Trump is disgusting. Manufactured investigations and prosecutions for process crimes. The idea they had the fbi raid a former presidents home should have had the entire country looking at the fbi and the process they followed on this bullshit crime. The fbi and democrats have repeatedly lied and manufactured evidence and prosecuted bullshit in their zeal for power and it needs to stop.

Biden should be trusted. If this was so damned important the national archives would do their job better. Go after them if they haven't been
 
A president and vice president current or former should be given the benefit of the doubt on most things including possession on classified materials. They are the freaking president and vice president.

What the democrats have been doing in their pursuit if Trump is disgusting. Manufactured investigations and prosecutions for process crimes. The idea they had the fbi raid a former presidents home should have had the entire country looking at the fbi and the process they followed on this bullshit crime. The fbi and democrats have repeatedly lied and manufactured evidence and prosecuted bullshit in their zeal for power and it needs to stop.

Biden should be trusted. If this was so damned important the national archives would do their job better. Go after them if they haven't been
Are you saying a former President should be able to ignore a subpoena for classified documents in his possession?
 
You said there were Top Secret documents that dealt with Ukraine. Nothing you posted supports that. You made it up. As you do with a lot of things.
FFS, Riley, it's the very first paragraph of the second article he linked.

Among the items from Joe Biden’s time as vice president discovered in a private office last fall are 10 classified documents including US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Read, man. Read.
 
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FFS, Riley, it's the very first paragraph of the second article he linked.

Among the items from Joe Biden’s time as vice president discovered in a private office last fall are 10 classified documents including US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Read, man. Read.
LOL - figures you would chime in and be wrong. Classified does not mean Top Secret.

Dumbass.
 
FFS, Riley, it's the very first paragraph of the second article he linked.

Among the items from Joe Biden’s time as vice president discovered in a private office last fall are 10 classified documents including US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Read, man. Read.
@RileyHawk in this thread

 
LOL - figures you would chime in and be wrong. Classified does not mean Top Secret.

Dumbass.
Does Top Secret mean Top Secret? Because there's also this. Dumbass.

CNN previously reported that the classified material found in Biden’s private office included some top secret files with the “sensitive compartmentalized information” designation, which is used for highly sensitive information obtained from intelligence sources. Those documents included US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.


Read, man. Read.
 
A president and vice president current or former should be given the benefit of the doubt on most things including possession on classified materials. They are the freaking president and vice president.

What the democrats have been doing in their pursuit if Trump is disgusting. Manufactured investigations and prosecutions for process crimes. The idea they had the fbi raid a former presidents home should have had the entire country looking at the fbi and the process they followed on this bullshit crime. The fbi and democrats have repeatedly lied and manufactured evidence and prosecuted bullshit in their zeal for power and it needs to stop.

Biden should be trusted. If this was so damned important the national archives would do their job better. Go after them if they haven't been
FBI raided because the moron Trump didn't comply.
 
Does Top Secret mean Top Secret? Because there's also this. Dumbass.

CNN previously reported that the classified material found in Biden’s private office included some top secret files with the “sensitive compartmentalized information” designation, which is used for highly sensitive information obtained from intelligence sources. Those documents included US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Read, man. Read.
Yes. You notice nowhere in there does it say that there were Top Secret documents concerning Ukraine which is what ihh claimed. Hilarious that you jumped to the same conclusion.
 
Yes. You notice nowhere in there does it say that there were Top Secret documents concerning Ukraine which is what ihh claimed. Hilarious that you jumped to the same conclusion.

the “sensitive compartmentalized information” designation, which is used for highly sensitive information obtained from intelligence sources

Those documents included US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter

Can you see the common denominator Riley? The US intelligence memos are the sensitive SCI information obtained from intelligence sources?

Also, there are a total of 10 documents. You think the Top Secret documents are the spice mixture of KFC seasoning?
 
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FFS, Riley, it's the very first paragraph of the second article he linked.

Among the items from Joe Biden’s time as vice president discovered in a private office last fall are 10 classified documents including US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Read, man. Read.
Where does this say they were top secret?
 
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A president and vice president current or former should be given the benefit of the doubt on most things including possession on classified materials. They are the freaking president and vice president.

What the democrats have been doing in their pursuit if Trump is disgusting. Manufactured investigations and prosecutions for process crimes. The idea they had the fbi raid a former presidents home should have had the entire country looking at the fbi and the process they followed on this bullshit crime. The fbi and democrats have repeatedly lied and manufactured evidence and prosecuted bullshit in their zeal for power and it needs to stop.

Biden should be trusted. If this was so damned important the national archives would do their job better. Go after them if they haven't been
I think you have this exactly backwards. They should not be given the benefit of the doubt when they are haphazardly possessing classified material and in Trump’s case, stonewalling the National Archives.

Also, there was nothing wrong with going after Trump given said stonewalling and obfuscation.

Now, nothing will come of either case but that’s not right either.
 
the “sensitive compartmentalized information” designation, which is used for highly sensitive information obtained from intelligence sources

Those documents included US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter

Can you see the common denominator Riley? The US intelligence memos are the sensitive SCI information obtained from intelligence sources?

Also, there are a total of 10 documents. You think the Top Secret documents are the spice mixture of KFC seasoning?
This says they weren't top secret.

"Fewer than 10 documents marked classified were found at the Biden residence in Wilmington, Del., and none were marked top secret."
 
the “sensitive compartmentalized information” designation, which is used for highly sensitive information obtained from intelligence sources

Those documents included US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter

Can you see the common denominator Riley? The US intelligence memos are the sensitive SCI information obtained from intelligence sources?

Also, there are a total of 10 documents. You think the Top Secret documents are the spice mixture of KFC seasoning?
Still can't produce anything that says Ukraine documents were Top Secret. LOL. You, and now TJ, keep trying to twist what was reported but it still doesn't support the conclusion you wrongly jumped to.

You two are peas in a pod.
 
Does Top Secret mean Top Secret? Because there's also this. Dumbass.

CNN previously reported that the classified material found in Biden’s private office included some top secret files with the “sensitive compartmentalized information” designation, which is used for highly sensitive information obtained from intelligence sources. Those documents included US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Read, man. Read.
You are owning Riley in this thread. He knows it, and is desperately trying to deflect.
 
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Weird because my link says they specifically weren't top secret
From the article you posted

The approximately 10 documents marked classified and discovered at the Penn Biden Center included top-secret material, according to a federal law enforcement official familiar with the investigation.

Top secret is the highest of the three basic levels of classification: confidential, secret and top secret. A leak of top secret information could cause "exceptionally grave damage."
 
Also, there are a total of 10 documents. You think the Top Secret documents are the spice mixture of KFC seasoning?

They are actually rather mundane. Nothing worth a damn is classified TS anymore. A Secret/SCI is going to have more important info than a document that is Top Secret.
 
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