Guess what, more documents

[ihhawk]

This says they weren't top secret.

"Fewer than 10 documents marked classified were found at the Biden residence in Wilmington, Del., and none were marked top secret."

Total number of Biden documents known to be marked classified is about 20, source says

Documents found at the Penn Biden Center included top-secret material, a federal law enforcement official said.

www.google.com

We are talking about the first batch.

I know it’s difficult to follow along considering the number of locations now

 

[Huey Grey]

From the article you posted

The approximately 10 documents marked classified and discovered at the Penn Biden Center included top-secret material, according to a federal law enforcement official familiar with the investigation.

Top secret is the highest of the three basic levels of classification: confidential, secret and top secret. A leak of top secret information could cause "exceptionally grave damage."

Here's another article saying the classification level hasn't been made public yet. So how do you know they are top secret?

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/14/1149071576/biden-classified-documents-what-we-know

 

[Huey Grey]

We are talking about the first batch.

I know it’s difficult to follow along considering the number of locations now

I agree. It is very difficult to follow along on the rumors you are perpetuating

 

[ihhawk]

Still can't produce anything that says Ukraine documents were Top Secret. LOL. You, and now TJ, keep trying to twist what was reported but it still doesn't support the conclusion you wrongly jumped to.

You two are peas in a pod.

Odd angle you are trying to play. You look like an absolute ass clown right now but carry on

 

[ihhawk]

I agree. It is very difficult to follow along on the rumors you are perpetuating

If by posting CNN news articles then I guess I’m guilty. Just cutting and pasting the text from the articles

 

[RileyHawk]

You are owning Riley in this thread. He knows it, and is desperately trying to deflect.

While you should know about being owned I'm certain these guys are cringing getting your approval as it practically guarantees they are wrong. LOL.

 

[RileyHawk]

Odd angle you are trying to play. You look like an absolute ass clown right now but carry on

No angle - just demonstrating yet again your absolute idiocy.

 

[ihhawk]

Here's another article saying the classification level hasn't been made public yet. So how do you know they are top secret?

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/14/1149071576/biden-classified-documents-what-we-know

By CNN and other reporting articles.

 

[RileyHawk]

If by posting CNN news articles then I guess I’m guilty. Just cutting and pasting the text from the articles

None of which said there are Top Secret documents pertaining to Ukraine which is what your assertion was.

LOL at you getting owned on this again. You're such a ****ing clown.

 

[ihhawk]

No angle - just demonstrating yet again your absolute idiocy.

So I’m your world, there are 10 classified documents.

Some are Top secret info gathered from intelligence sources. Some of these 1O classified are intelligence memos in regard to Ukraine.

But in your mind, no way could any of the intelligence memos in Ukraine be considered Top Secret.

 

[ihhawk]

None of which said there are Top Secret documents pertaining to Ukraine which is what your assertion was.

LOL at you getting owned on this again. You're such a ****ing clown.

You have to be the dumbest human alive. Fuking seriously.

 

[seminole97]

Biden took 25 of them, Trump took 325 and lied about returning them, Obama probably took them, Condi Rice had them in personal email accounts, so did Colin Powell, and Hillary had her own server with them. I support restructuring the whole system to stop this. My point is that this is likely to go nowhere with Biden. It's not even a scandal anymore it's so commonplace

Why not just punish them by the law when they break the law instead of some hand waving bullshit about ‘restructuring the whole system’?

 

[TheonGreyJoy]

Dicker the Kicker

 

[RileyHawk]

So I’m your world, there are 10 classified documents.

Some are Top secret info gathered from intelligence sources. Some of these 1O classified are intelligence memos in regard to Ukraine.

But in your mind, no way could any of the intelligence memos in Ukraine be considered Top Secret.

No, in my mind you made the stupid claim that there were Top Secret documents regarding Ukraine. You couldn't support it before. You can't support it now. You're an idiot who jumped to wrong conclusions, got called on it and decided, stupidly, to double down. Now you look even more foolish - if that's possible.

 

[RileyHawk]

You have to be the dumbest human alive. Fuking seriously.

Always fun exposing your stupidity. Carry on.

 

[ihhawk]

No, in my mind you made the stupid claim that there were Top Secret documents regarding Ukraine. You couldn't support it before. You can't support it now. You're an idiot who jumped to wrong conclusions, got called on it and decided, stupidly, to double down. Now you look even more foolish - if that's possible.

Well Riley, we are all laughing at you

 

[TheonGreyJoy]

Jags need to come back, I’d rather not face Kennan Allen and Mike Wallace.

 

[RileyHawk]

Well Riley, we are all laughing at you

Ahhh.... I'm sure "in your mind" that's the case. Whatever helps you manage the embarrassment. LOL

 

[Huey Grey]

Why not just punish them by the law when they break the law instead of some hand waving bullshit about ‘restructuring the whole system’?

Mueller confirmed we can't jail Presidents.

Also there is this:

"The Justice Department historically imposes a high legal bar before bringing criminal charges in cases involving the mishandling of classified information, with a requirement that someone intended to break the law as opposed to being merely careless or negligent in doing so. The primary statute governing the illegal removal and retention of classified documents makes it a crime to “knowingly” remove classified documents and store them in an unauthorized way."

More classified documents found at Biden's home by lawyers

The White House says lawyers for President Joe Biden found more classified documents at his home in Wilmington, Delaware, than previously known.

apnews.com

 

[TheonGreyJoy]

The Refs in this game have really helped out the Chargers.

 

[ZachJump]

Need to determine the actual classification. "Confidential" is one of the possible classifications.

Why does the level of classification matter?

It doesn't even matter if the classification marks are present or not. Keeping newspapers that reported classified information that has not been unclassified is actually a violation. Even reading classified information in a newspaper is a violation.

 

[RileyHawk]

Why does the level of classification matter?

It doesn't even matter if the classification marks are present or not. Keeping newspapers that reported classified information that has not been unclassified is actually a violation. Even reading classified information in a newspaper is a violation.

Because "confidential" is not the same as "Top Secret".

 

[ZachJump]

Because "confidential" is not the same as "Top Secret".

There is no difference in any law or executive order that I know of that has different penalties for unauthorized procession of Top Secret or Confidential materials.

 

[EasyHawk]

Biden’s negligence can’t be overstated. He’s off the rails. But there is no option but to ride out these next two years as Kamala is not a viable President. He truly made his worst miscue going against his gut and allowing himself to be convinced to add her to the ticket.

 

[Huey Grey]

Biden’s negligence can’t be overstated. He’s off the rails. But there is no option but to ride out these next two years as Kamala is not a viable President. He truly made his worst miscue going against his gut and allowing himself to be convinced to add her to the ticket.

Weve already have polls conducted after this story broke. Bidens approval rating hasn't taken any hit.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Most people will never understand just how big of a deal it is for classified materials.

Many years ago I picked up the phone in the dorm room in the middle of the night. Happened to be one coworker calling to talk to another coworker. I was like dumbass, if you are at home then he has to be a work. Three people worked overnight, and I could hear Monday Night Football in the background so I knew he wasn't at work as at least two of them had to be working.

He then informed me I was the dumbass, he was at work.

I hung up, went and got a couple other coworkers, made some calls, and went to where we worked. Twenty people or so showed up where we worked within the next hour.

We all figured something was terribly wrong if I could here MNF in the background.

Dumbasses at work had a radio inside a SCIF so they could listen to the game.

You would not believe how fast so many people that worked at Fort Mead got on planes and where in Europe the next day. Damn investigation lasted months.

A radio in a SCIF? Are you $hitting me? What a dipwad.

We were giving Intel students a weekend safety briefing when a coworkers cell phone went off in the back of the room (in the SCIF). Commander handed him his ass.

 

[ZachJump]

A radio in a SCIF? Are you $hitting me? What a dipwad.

We were giving Intel students a weekend safety briefing when a coworkers cell phone went off in the back of the room (in the SCIF). Commander handed him his ass.

I could imagine that plenty of people do stupid stuff in a SCIF these days. Intelligence isn't measured when getting a clearance. So many different devices someone can forget is in their pocket or on their wrist.

 

[tumorboy]

Biden and Trump shouldn't be allowed to run for POTUS in 24. Both of them are past their expiration date. In terms of who should be leading the country. The treatment of classified documents is only more proof that both don't belong in the White House.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Why does the level of classification matter?

It 100% matters.

Confidential - Information that if released could damage U.S. national security.
Secret - The disclosure of information could cause serious damage to national security.
Top Secret - The disclosure of information could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security.

Those are the 3 primary categories of classification, but does not cover special caveats like SCI, etc.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Sooooooo....... Nuke Codes? Wait, before we get ahead of ourselves, had Biden been asked to return everything?

 

[BlueRidgeHawk]

This really smells and there is a lot more to this

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

This really smells and there is a lot more to this

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Hahaha. How ****ing predictable.

 

[ZachJump]

It 100% matters.

Confidential - Information that if released could damage U.S. national security.
Secret - The disclosure of information could cause serious damage to national security.
Top Secret - The disclosure of information could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security.

Those are the 3 primary categories of classification, but does not cover special caveats like SCI, etc.

Thank you for explaining classifications to me.

Again my statement remains the same, there is no difference in any regulation I know of that has different consequences for mishandling TS materials versus mishandling C materials.

There are different handling regs for proper handling of such materials, and even those change based on location of the materials, where they are being moved to, etc.

...and SCI is not a special caveat. There is nothing classified TS/SCI.

 

[INXS83]

Jags need to come back, I’d rather not face Kennan Allen and Mike Wallace.

Mike Wallace died a few years ago. His son, Chris is turrible.

Think you meant Mike Williams.

 

[Titus Andronicus]

One thing that has been bothering me about all of this is why it matters all that much.

We have leakers all over the Federal Government, giving confidential information to media outlets from around the world. Accordingly, every well-organized spy agency should have a full understanding of what is going on inside our government without sending an agent to Delaware to sneak into Joe Biden's garage, jimmy the lock on his classic Corvette, and take photographs of the contents.

I am guessing that 90% of the information contained in these "Secret" documents is not all that secret. I am also guessing that Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump, and Mr. Obama ... that whole crowd, after four years in office has a good idea of what is really secret and what is "kind of secret." The left-over documents, after moving out of the White House, appear to have been in the forgettable or "Kind of Secret" category. I doubt that Joe Biden, or even someone such as Al Gore would be unable to distinguish between the various categories of "Secret."

We all know that members of the Deep State (Bureaucrats all) are notorious for overvaluing the paper they produce, and I am guessing that they consistently mark their production as more secret than it really should be.
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Now, at this point in time, we have vast numbers of careerists in government and media who have allowed their entire careers to become vested in this "Missing documents" issue. They cannot afford, career wise, to suggest that all of these recently discovered documents be put out to the public via the newspapers for public consumption.

Remember that the spies already have the information ... and the rest is 99% certain to be inconsequential. (performance reviews and so on)

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Put it out there, right now and without various judges or others reviewing it. Put these documents out there and let the voters see what our elected officials are really really dealing with all day. My guess is that this is about as significant as Y2K.

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Biden could put this entire issue to rest at that point by arresting the bureaucrat who leaked the Supreme Court abortion decision to the media and having him put away for life.

 

[Rifler]

Ever since Biden said he plans to run again in '24 these reports have been coming out. Coincidence?

It has crossed my mind that this might actually be coming from the dems....

 

[Rifler]

Why not just punish them by the law when they break the law instead of some hand waving bullshit about ‘restructuring the whole system’?

Because of the precedent that was set with Hillary,... Short of actually getting caught handing documents over to the enemy, no significant politician will ever get punished for this infraction again.

 

[Finance85]

It has crossed my mind that this might actually be coming from the dems....

Nobody has speculated much about who (in the White House) knew about the documents and leaked it to the press.

 

[alaskanseminole]

...and SCI is not a special caveat. There is nothing classified TS/SCI.

I'm aware of what SCI is. I'm a retired USAF 1N4X1B (SIGINT Analyst). Failed attempt at keeping it simple? No need to get into the special handling instructions for SCI, GAMMA, TK, etc.

Here's how my clearance is annotated on my current resume: TS/SCI, TS/SSBI – Adjudicated 26 May 2015 | Counterintelligence (CI) Polygraph – 10 July 2015

*personally SSBI is unnecessary, but my FSO told me to put it that way and SCI should read SCI eligible since I'm currently read out. I digress...

We can discuss ad nauseum all the consideration factors and guidance when it comes to adjudication, revocation, disciplinary actions, etc. My biggest point in all this is that politicians should be held to the same standard as those of us in the IC.

I clearly didn't read your previous comments and was only zeroing in on the one comment in that post. My apologies. Reading your other responses leads me to believe we agree on this topic.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

I'd like the administration to get off the "the President didn't know they were there" defense as if that exonerates him. They found them in your friggin garage...amongst other places.