Guys, I gotta tell ya something 'bout Indiana, Nebraska and Iowa

[starbrown]

The refs blew the FG with Indiana

The refs blew the targeting call on Gerry and the facemask penalty which would've negated Armstrong's fumble.

Now what the heck does this have to do with Iowa?

WE WILL GET SOME BAD CALLS IN THE ROSE BOWL. Just like the two teams mentioned above got some bad calls. If we keep the game close with the Cardinals, and put the outcome in the hands of the refs, it's not gonna be pretty. The Hawkeyes have to be up by at least two scores in the fourth quarter. I only hope that #OldKirk doesn't re-emerge on Jan 1st. A field position game will keep the score close, and I don't see a "W" if that is the case.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I have no doubt about it. We will get bad calls. But , if Stanford plays panzie arse defense like ucla, we won't need no stinkin' calls.

 

[Herkmeister]

Iowa wins. Fo sho!!!!

 

[downtown hawk redux]

The refs blew the FG with Indiana

The refs blew the targeting call on Gerry and the facemask penalty which would've negated Armstrong's fumble.

Now what the heck does this have to do with Iowa?

WE WILL GET SOME BAD CALLS IN THE ROSE BOWL. Just like the two teams mentioned above got some bad calls. If we keep the game close with the Cardinals, and put the outcome in the hands of the refs, it's not gonna be pretty. The Hawkeyes have to be up by at least two scores in the fourth quarter. I only hope that #OldKirk doesn't re-emerge on Jan 1st. A field position game will keep the score close, and I don't see a "W" if that is the case.

The Cardinal. Singular.

 

[Kinnick 4 Prez]

The refs did not blow the IU fg. He missed it.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

This is a first for me...haven't seen this before. We are already blaming the refs and we haven't played yet. Oswald did not act alone.

 

[ichawk24]

The IU FG was a miss.

The Nebraska player ran in straight up and initial contact was facemask to facemask. It was negligence rather than malice, but it was terrible form and the call wasn't a surprise.

 

[PinkLockerRoom]

Looked like he missed it. But I guess they couldn't review? Why? And why can't you have a video camera on top of the upright pointing up? This isn't the first time it's happenned this year. And as far as replay goes in college football? Well it failed miserably in 2015 and they need to revamp or get rid of it.

 

[ichawk24]

Replay isn't there for judgement calls. The FG is a judgement call, and the ref has the best angle either way.

 

[GPRHAWK]

Looked like he missed it. But I guess they couldn't review? Why? And why can't you have a video camera on top of the upright pointing up? This isn't the first time it's happenned this year. And as far as replay goes in college football? Well it failed miserably in 2015 and they need to revamp or get rid of it.

They said it's not reviewable when it goes over the goalpost. I always thought it was good if going directly over the goalpost. The angle on the replay looked like it went over, and maybe slightly inside, but the camera wasn't directly under the goalpost so who knows.

 

[Kinnick 4 Prez]

They said it's not reviewable when it goes over the goalpost. I always thought it was good if going directly over the goalpost. The angle on the replay looked like it went over, and maybe slightly inside, but the camera wasn't directly under the goalpost so who knows.

So if the ball went directly over the fg post say the post is 10 ft taller. That ball would hit the middle of the fg post and bounce off the fg post back into the field of play. Odds are it ain't bouncing through the uprights.

 

[ichawk24]

If any part of the ball is over an upright it is a miss.

 

[GPRHAWK]

If any part of the ball is over an upright it is a miss.

You are right. I was thinking of the NFL rule. NCAA rule, "When the kick is high and above the upright pole, the upward plane of the upright pole is extended straight up as if the pole itself was at that height. Therefore the ball must travel inside the upright and upright pole extended. This is different from the NFL rule. The NFL rule requires part of the ball to travel on the inside edge off the upright. Under NCAA rules if the scrimmage kicked ball travels over the upright it is not a field goal, but under NFL rules it would be a field goal if part of the ball was inside the upright plane."

 

[rivercityjazzman]

The Cardinal. Singular.

Serious question: why is that?

 

[Hawk_4shur]

From the source of all knowledge (Wiki):

On November 25, 1930, following a unanimous vote by the Executive Committee for the Associated Students, the athletic department adopted the mascot "Indian." The Indian symbol and name were later dropped by President Richard Lyman in 1972, after objections from Native American students and a vote by the student senate.

From 1972 to 1981, the official nickname was the Cardinals, a reference to the color, not the bird. During the 1970s, a number of suggestions were put forth as possible nicknames: Robber Barons (a sly reference to Leland Stanford's history), Sequoias, Trees, Railroaders, Spikes, Huns and Griffins. The last suggestion gained enough momentum to prompt the university to place two griffin statues near the athletic facilities.

On November 17, 1981, school president Donald Kennedy declared that the athletic teams be represented by the color cardinal in its singular form.

Stanford has no official mascot, but the Stanford Tree, a member of the Stanford Band wearing a self-designed tree costume, appears at major Stanford sports events. The Tree is based upon El Palo Alto, a redwood tree in neighboring Palo Alto that appears in the Stanford seal and athletics logo.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

college football is a dumpster fire

 

[artradley]

Replay isn't there for judgement calls. The FG is a judgement call, and the ref has the best angle either way.

??

They use replay for judgement calls all the time. In fact, it's pretty much all about judgement calls; not about proper application of rules.

 

[BigRedFlood]

I really like the idea of the Stanford Griffins. Should have stuck with it.

They could have put statues of Stewie, Peter and the gang in front of the stadium. Use a different one depending on how the season is going. Peter for inexplicably good seasons, Stewie for awesome and expected years, Meg for the common but not bad years, Chris for the horrid seasons.

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

I hate Nebraska, but that "targeting" call was bogus, and the fact that it was upheld on review just makes it infinitely more egregious. Imagine if that happened to King in the Rose Bowl. If you can't make that tackle, then you might as well stop playing football. I felt terrible for the Nebraska player and the team, even though as I said, I HATE Nebraska. But that was just SO wrong. It's sickening really.

And to add some Iowa context... Where the hell were those officials in Indy? That helmet to helmet in the end zone actually WAS targeting but wasn't called. Call it, and Iowa wins. It's that simple.

Football officiating, when you have the review option, shouldn't be that fickle, that inconsistent. And yet there may be more games affected by bad calls now than before the intrusion of video review. Duke "loses" on a bogus rugby KO return on the final play of the game. Nebraska wins on a bogus pass reception vs. MSU. Just a couple of many, many examples.

Is it really that difficult? Where is that thing once known as "common sense"?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

football is now about judges, we have figure skating judges out there.

 

[Actiondouble]

Second game in a row that Nebby player was ejected for targeting.

 

[iahawk08]

The IU FG was a miss.

The Nebraska player ran in straight up and initial contact was facemask to facemask. It was negligence rather than malice, but it was terrible form and the call wasn't a surprise.

Facemask to facemask isn't targeting.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Facemask to facemask isn't targeting.

it is if the figure skating judges from the olympics- say it is. now everyone is to sit down and shut up and listen to them, they are the dictators

 

[starbrown]

This is a first for me...haven't seen this before. We are already blaming the refs and we haven't played yet. Oswald did not act alone.

Obviously we all prefer good officiating, but they make mistakes in every game. It's part of reality. I for one am glad you don't like blaming the refs. I actually happen to agree with you. You're still seeing the MSU "we got cheated" threads, right? Since Kirk follows my every post I am hoping he understands that the offense doesn't need to control the clock or win field position nearly as much as it needs to score points. I can promise you this WOTS, I won't be blaming the refs regardless of the outcome. Nebraska overcame some terrible officiating, so Iowa can too. The best way to do that is to put the game away before the two minute mark IMHO.

 

[klamont9]

The Indiana FG was clearly good when they showed the goal post camera view. Even Mark May said so.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

The Indiana FG was clearly good when they showed the goal post camera view. Even Mark May said so.

it looked just like the iowa missed fg against minny

if you called the iowa one no good, you had to call the Indiana one no good

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

No ya don't. There is no such thing as consistency. What you DO need to do is call it RIGHT every time. Helmet-to-helmet in bowl game. NO helmet-to-helmet in BIG title game. Now tell me more about what officials HAVE to do. LOL

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

The Indiana FG was clearly good when they showed the goal post camera view. Even Mark May said so.

The goalpost height issue should be fixed. It would take me 10 minutes to design a regulated goalpost that would eliminate this BS.

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

college football is a dump
ster fire

Ottumwa is a dumpster fire.

The goalpost height issue should be fixed immediately across the country. The refs don't even stand under the goalposts.

I have a laser transit in my toolbox. All they need is to attach a laser light on the inside edge of the goalposts and the replay should show a laser light on the ball at some point as it crosses the upright.

 

[MITCH492]

Bad calls benefit the trees, Iowa goes home with a loss, and this board melts down.

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

Ottumwa is a dumpster fire.



I have a laser transit in my toolbox. All they need is to attach a laser light on the inside edge of the goalposts and the replay should show a laser light on the ball at some point as it crosses the upright.

A laser would never correctly account for whether the ball would have bounced inside or outside of the upright. Or maybe the ball bounces off the upright and then bounces off of the horizontal post once or twice?

In my opinion, the best way is to build taller goalposts standing on two footings.

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

" In my opinion, the best way is to build taller goalposts standing on two footings."

In my opinion goalposts are too long the way they are now. We couldn't get 'em out of the Metro-dome at their current size, let alone 20 feet longer.

 

[RockEyeState]

Bad calls benefit the trees, Iowa goes home with a loss, and this board melts down.

Hawkeyes stuff the nerds into their Lockers..........IOWA wins by half-time.
Mitch disappears from HR

#goHawks !!!

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

This is a first for me...haven't seen this before. We are already blaming the refs and we haven't played yet. Oswald did not act alone.

A. He didn't. Deal with it.

B. Might as well. It won't make any difference if we do or don't complain before the game about poor calls, if poor calls end up being made during the game (whether they help decide the game or not), anyways. We could say nothing and bad calls could and probably will still be made (or since it's Iowa, infractions will go uncalled against Stanford, particularly holding.....and yes, that's a true story....also deal with it). It just happens.

So my suggestion is....if you don't like fans complaining about the refs, talk to the f***ing refs and tell them to try harder. And then kick each one of them in the shin and tell them there is plenty more waiting for them after the game if they do not.................because, after all, we gotta start discouraging these kind of things some way.

Just sayin.

 

[Section8]

Ottumwa is a dumpster fire.



I have a laser transit in my toolbox. All they need is to attach a laser light on the inside edge of the goalposts and the replay should show a laser light on the ball at some point as it crosses the upright.

And if the crossbar and uprights are not level and square, where does that extended laser beam project to? One side gets favored and the other side makes a "good" field goal now "bad".

 

[2for3]

The refs did not blow the IU fg. He missed it.

yes...that was a miss....refs miss calls,but they did not miss that one

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

And if the crossbar and uprights are not level and square, where does that extended laser beam project to? One side gets favored and the other side makes a "good" field goal now "bad".

My 800 dollar transit is " self leveling ". It would not be an issue.

 

[starbrown]

A. He didn't. Deal with it.

B. Might as well. It won't make any difference if we do or don't complain before the game about poor calls, if poor calls end up being made during the game (whether they help decide the game or not), anyways. We could say nothing and bad calls could and probably will still be made (or since it's Iowa, infractions will go uncalled against Stanford, particularly holding.....and yes, that's a true story....also deal with it). It just happens.

So my suggestion is....if you don't like fans complaining about the refs, talk to the f***ing refs and tell them to try harder. And then kick each one of them in the shin and tell them there is plenty more waiting for them after the game if they do not.................because, after all, we gotta start discouraging these kind of things some way.

Just sayin.

I appreciate you recognizing that I'm not blaming the refs before the game. I'm trying to put the blame where it belongs. Refs who are incompetent should be fired. I think reasonable people agree with that. But to suggest they can be perfect in every game . . . heck, I don't think we can expect them to be perfect in any game. How many times have you heard announcers say you could call holding on almost every play if the rule was enforced to the nth degree. The rule-book allows for subjectivity. Add that subjectivity to emotion and old-fashion human error and you're gonna have mistakes in pretty much every game. As a fan we can only hope they balance out so both teams are screwed rather evenly. It's fair to complain we play bowl teams in their own backyard. But I don't know that equates to home-cooked refs. In my time I've only blamed the refs twice for a loss. Both times in 2005 when the refs were clearly trying to impact the outcome. Now I do complain about refs, as recently as the MSU game where they missed some calls. But unlike 2005, I never accused them of giving the game to our rival.

 

[starbrown]

yes...that was a miss....refs miss calls,but they did not miss that one

I think the point is if it generates this much disagreement, you can see the futility in expecting refs to be perfect because calls can be argued in good faith. When we play in the Rose Bowl the refs will blow some calls. As fans we need to focus more on what the Hawkeyes can control rather than dwell on something that all teams experience.

 

[rpappy3]

Ottumwa is a dumpster fire.



I have a laser transit in my toolbox. All they need is to attach a laser light on the inside edge of the goalposts and the replay should show a laser light on the ball at some point as it crosses the upright.

Unless a jet flies high overhead and calls in the beam.