H ROTards would like to explain to you why voting is for fools
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Don't look now, Chief. But, they're being steamrolled now under the present non-libertarian system. For centuries, people possessing your sexual inclinations were ostracized. In a libertarian world- live and let live. Read Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do by Pete Williams.
That one sentence is absolutely hilarious. You want those arrested who caused the catastrophe. So, they're going to arrest themselves?
You and you merry band keep telling yourself that Libertarians lose elections world-wide because of some vast conspiracy.
Ah yes. The #3 on the menu board:^^^^^^^^
3. Start a partisan divide-and-conquer fight or otherwise push emotional buttons to sow discord and ensure that cooperation is thwarted. Get people fighting against each other instead of the 3corrupt powers-that-be. Use baseless caricatures to rile everyone up. For example, start a religious war whenever possible using stereotypes like “all Jews are selfish”, “all Christians are crazy” or “all Muslims are terrorists”. Accuse the author of being a gay, pro-abortion limp-wristed wimp or being a fundamentalist pro-war hick when the discussion has nothing to do with abortion, sexuality, religion, war or region. Appeal to people’s basest prejudices and biases. And (as explained by H. Michael Sweeney’s 25 Rules of Disinformation) push the author into a defensive posture:
Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule … Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/04/beat-internet-trolls.html
You're such a troll and shill. What a surprise. You really didn't have an "Honest Question". There's nothing honest about you.
Again..Rand is not libertarian. He is despised by them. He's a neocon like you. Maybe you're just a self-hater. Also, Libertarian with a capital 'L' indicates the party. Small 'l' indicates a movement.
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Is there something in particular that bothers you that compels you to use such an intellectual response as above?
He'll be back. He's on the phone with Cass Sunstein getting his marching orders.
I wonder if HR has a problem with Muslims and wants to make sure we spend lives and money to keep them in-line over in the Middle East?
I'm surprised WWJD likes the new version of HRisCool. Same old thing, from what I see. Maybe I'm not surprised.
In his perverted mind, there isn't a problem government can't fix. In his next breath, he'll tell us he's a conservative because they believe in small government.
Well, the thread was somewhat credible. It is a good topic to discuss why only D's and R's get elected. Why don't third parties get a fair playing field? Why has the duopoly made it impossible for any other voice to be heard but theirs? Why are Americans content to let that go on? Those are valid questions. It doesn't matter what name the third parties have or claim to be. Voter apathy is always abundant. Choosing between crap and poop isn't going to generate much of a turnout.
HROT Libertarian explanation for the world we live in: "Super-secret centuries-old puppet masters are in control of a world-wide conspiracy to control the masses with religion, socialism, democracy, entertainment and cronyism."
Explanation from the rationales: "Mankind is an emotional species of limited intellect allergic to logic."
Explanation from the rationales: "Mankind is an emotional species of limited intellect allergic to logic."
....and you make a fool of yourself twice in this post. Comparing your ability to understand logic, to Nats, Strumm, and my own is like pulling up next to a Ferrari, while you're on a bicycle, and thinking you can beat us to the next stop light.
If you can prove us wrong on what we say then try that instead, no one else has been able to do so.
Guys, what the tarians need to remember is that there are a lot of republicans and more than a few democrats who want to jump on board your bandwagon. So when we read Nat (in another thread) use words like Big Pharma our eyes just roll.
BIG pharma
BIG oil
BIG automakers
BIG software companies
BIG insurance
BIG coal
BIG steel
BIG nuclear
BIG hydroelectric
BIG aerospace
BIG telecom
BIG softdrink
BIG agriculture
BIG fast food
BIG tobacco
BIG appliance
BIG legal
BIG tire repair
BIG chemical
BIG exterminator
BIG amusement-park
BIG retail
BIG hotels
That type of talk puts the "Lib" in libertarian and it scares away people who might vote for you. There's no magic that happens just because you put the word "Big" in front of something. Big companies can't use force against you. Big, medium and small government's can. Big companies can go bankrupt and disappear. If they were as powerful as the weak-minded believe that wouldn't happen.
Anyway, to sum up. If libertarians just focus on a positive economic message and put a stop to the religious persecution and geopolitical conspiracy talk you guys will win a few elections. Ron Paul was never gonna be Prez., but Rand has a shot. And what do you guys do to the one person (Rand) sympathetic to your cause? You throw him under the bus. You guys want power? Stop sabotaging your own movement!
BIG pharma
BIG oil
BIG automakers
BIG software companies
BIG insurance
BIG coal
BIG steel
BIG nuclear
BIG hydroelectric
BIG aerospace
BIG telecom
BIG softdrink
BIG agriculture
BIG fast food
BIG tobacco
BIG appliance
BIG legal
BIG tire repair
BIG chemical
BIG exterminator
BIG amusement-park
BIG retail
BIG hotels
That type of talk puts the "Lib" in libertarian and it scares away people who might vote for you. There's no magic that happens just because you put the word "Big" in front of something. Big companies can't use force against you. Big, medium and small government's can. Big companies can go bankrupt and disappear. If they were as powerful as the weak-minded believe that wouldn't happen.
Anyway, to sum up. If libertarians just focus on a positive economic message and put a stop to the religious persecution and geopolitical conspiracy talk you guys will win a few elections. Ron Paul was never gonna be Prez., but Rand has a shot. And what do you guys do to the one person (Rand) sympathetic to your cause? You throw him under the bus. You guys want power? Stop sabotaging your own movement!
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The tea party is the popular expression of libertarian ideas.
There are many Tea Partiers who embrace libertarian messengers. Anyone who wants smaller gov't should be open-minded toward the Tea Party.
There is insight here. Libertarians may have a strain of anarchism. That makes it hard for them to build something that requires cooperation if not outright goal-oriented conformity. I should add, IMO the Democrats have demonstrated better than any other party the success that comes with goal-oriented conformity. When the Democrats want something, their drive allows them to get it. Republicans are happy with bread crumbs. Tarians seem to be happy just to be critics.
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Something about Libertarians scares the piss outta HRiscool. Look at the effort he's going to here in this thread!
First they ignore you, then they attack you.
Every month or so, he comes up with a similar post. He definitely feels threatened.
Lots of things about libertarianism ought to scare any sane individual, but HR hasn't posted here in months.
Freedom is scary in your world and sending millions of boys off to die for the oligarchs is sane? Is your last name Orwell?
Nope, we agree on the war issue. We disagree that libertarianism represents freedom for anyone but the elites. You're playing into big brother's hands by sowing the seeds of your own demise. You've been conned.
So... how, exactly, are "the elites" NOT free to do whatever they like in this current structure??? I'm not sure how "libertarianism" will guarantee it will remedy the elites' power, but they're entrenched very well right now!
There are numerous regulations, taxes and laws that serve to curtail the power of the elites. If we agree they still have too much power, the solution isn't to remove the protections we have as Libertarianism would do, but to redouble our efforts to curtail their power further. Libertarianism points us in exactly the wrong direction.
O)h, yeah... you definitely have them on-the-ropes for sure. Those "efforts" of voting for people they pay for over and over has really hamstrung them all, big time. By all means, double-up and put more of them in office. You're doin' a helluva job.
This is a joke right? How on earth did you come to the conclusion that any Libertarian took that page out of the Liberal playbook?
libertarians are brilliant with perfect ideas, the people who run the show are evil, they cannot have that. The libertarians are squashed by the new world order plain and simple. The war machine keeps turning, rolling over libertarians
The truth is, the bad guys win because they aren't afraid to do what they need to, in order to win.
Other parties cannot get any traction, because the American voter is brain locked into thinking left or right on political issues and that you need to be part of a winning team over a growing movement.
And that is the problem. People actually think "they" are winning when they vote one way or another.
No one truly wants change, because no one is starving in the street.....no one is truly hurting. Remove the social safety nets and there would either be outright revolution in this country or dozens of new parties would spring up over night.
One thing is certain. The two party system is strangling the country to a slow and agonizing death. And we are seeing it happen...yet no one will step forward to stop it.
