H ROTards would like to explain to you why voting is for fools
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I like how the current structure restrained Bernanke from giving $500 Billion to a foreign country without so much as a peep from Congress. He didn't check with them and when asked in Committee, he basically told them to eff off.
That's a point for my argument of more oversight, not for yours that we should have less. Every problem you have with the current system is made worse if we move in your direction.
No, we don't agree on the war issue. Quit saying so. ONLY the libertarians call for the abolition of the FedRes. It is this institution that prints monopoly money hand over fist for the military industrial complex. The warfare state could not exist without the Fed. Your lack of understanding on this topic is insufferable. Blame the public schools for keeping its citizens in the dark on this issue. You support the party that adores the Fed, an instrument of war. Therefore, you adore war.
IT SHOULDN"T EXIST IN THE 1ST PLACE. The Founders knew this. A central bank is the antithesis of freedom. Inflation was like 600% during colonial days. Ever hear of the expression, "not worth a continental"?
democrats agree war is good only if makes democrats look good. they agree it's bad only if it makes republicans look bad.
Yep, libertarians sure seem to think so too. Sure beats your alternative.
Nice deflection. Keep giving ammo to the thing you're claiming to be fighting. Being stuck in Left vs. Right, while both make it worse for all of us, is sad. And, that gif is NOT my alternative. It's just your embellished view of anything that challenges this totally-owned system you're stuck in and perpetuating.
There should be competing currencies and then the citizens would benefit by sound money.
Yep, libertarians sure seem to think so too. Sure beats your alternative.
Under this system, observed Reginald McKenna,
President of the Midlands Bank of England: "Those that create and issue the money
and credit direct the policies of government and hold in their hands the destiny of the
people." Once the government is in debt to the bankers it is at their mercy. A
frightening example was cited by the London Financial Times of September 26, 1921,
which revealed that even at that time: "Half a dozen men at the top of the Big Five
Banks could upset the whole fabric of government finance by refraining from
renewing Treasury Bills."
Bogeymen are useful. Thats probably what keeps you from seeing all the evils of your philosophy. Perhaps you should simply focus your efforts on removing the fed rather than selling us all into serfdom.
It seems they really put the ankle irons on Rockefeller as well.
In 2002 Rockefeller authored his autobiography “Memoirs” wherein, on page 405," Mr. Rockefeller writes: “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
Again, another point for my argument. Thanks for the assist. You are fighting for the Rockefellers my man, wake up.
Like the evil rich bogeymen? Your entire philosophy is built upon fear and jealousy.
I really feel sorry for you. If only there was a way we could tax brainpower and distribute some to you.
And you're not. You say give them more power. Try reading the Cliff Notes version. You may find it less taxing, but, not in a libertarian way.
Ummm, no, no, sir. That is NOT a point for your argument at all. I guess we'll just have to give you a pass for being completely steeped and blinded by the very system that has totally hijacked the result you want from the result you can ever achieve while endorsing the system. It's an amazing feat by people like Rockefeller. Nat is not fighting FOR the Rocks, dude. You are!
I'm pretty sure you would have been the guy that betrays Morpheus to side with the robots.
Nat also made one of the most important points of the entire thread. Allowing the Federal Reserve to remain in power (or in existence) completely destroys ANY chance you ever had of achieving any kind of "handicap the wealthy" ploy. So-called Dems and Libs never address that problem. In fact, I've seen many endorse and encourage the Fed to stay in existence. If you lack the understanding of what the Federal Reserve Banking Cartel is able to do, has been responsible for, and will continue to do, then you're not really qualified to argue about anything except "Left is good, Right is bad" (or the opposite).
My God, quit going for seconds at the line selling obtusiveness. Bogeyman are what the the 1% sell you to go to war. Look over there, it's a Commie. Look, it's ISIS and AQ. Let's fight a huge war in the ME for 20 years. Never mind the fact that they're all financed by the people who now ask you for more tax dollars and blood to fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here. Stop the BS! You love war. End the FED and you declaw the beast.
You're really getting owned in this thread, dude. When you resort to gifs like this? You've lost. And, you lost way back on the first page.
Do you know the names of the 7 men who attended Jekyll Island, Ga. who hatched the plan to create the Fed? Think Rockefeller, Rothschild, Warburg and Morgan banking interests. A cartel was formed in 1913 and you say, "Give them more power." Yeah...great idea. March everyone into the ovens.
Its very simple. I'm advocating reducing the power of the Rockefellers of the world while you and Nat are advocating removing what restrictions we have and freeing them to do to us as they will. Every time one of you point out the current system isn't restricting the powerful enough, I agree with you. What's bizarre is that you think the way to restrict them more, is to stop trying to restrict them at all. You libertarian sorts are advocating surrender.
Wait, it's your impression that Ds are more disciplined and organized than Rs?
Can we agree they're more "determined"?
You realize I'm not arguing for the fed. I'm arguing against libertarianism. You might want to get on the right page as most of your arguments simply are not germane.
Hey Genius...the Fed was created by 7 powerful men in 1913 representing 25% of the world's wealth. The libertarians are saying abolish it. You say give it MORE teeth. Do you not see the idiocy of your logic?
No we can not. Rs have doggedly held to the same low taxes over riding principle for decades. Ds on the other hand are much more situational in their priorities.
It's the central tenet of libertarianism which you denounce. For God's sake, Man. Hop off the short bus stat.
And, ending the Fed would be a HUGE keystone in making Liberty and Freedom existent again in American society. But, people like Natural and HRiscool, are perfectly happy playing left/right against each other, that they don't realize how playing that makes the entire landscape a virtual apple tree for the elites they claim to be opposed. With the Fed in place, it will never change for the better or worse for the D's AND R's. It will just perpetuate their chessboard and argument table. In reality, that is all they even want. To them, arguing over issues that never change is winning. It's really all they know. That is the genius of this system, actually. You create 2 sides of social understanding, make it appear that they are real (media influence, etc.), and then just keep that illusion going. Make sure no other voice is ever heard at election time. It's a perpetual distraction while everything that resembled the founding documents erodes away.
they have the entire new world order communist infrastructure behind them
they control the media, the irs, the feds, the oil, the war machines
they print the money
the commies have taken over
I did not say that. I've been silent on the fed as it's not relevant to the argument that libertarianism is bad. Abolish the fed if you like, you don't need libertarianism to do that.
This guy is a stitch. It's like saying "Cure the bubonic plague of you like. You don't need to be human to cure it." I will say this much; the people who created the Fed, and this rigged system, have left nothing to chance to ever reverse it! You have this genius above who has no idea how badly his participation, and ignorance of the Fed, makes it impossible for anything to ever really improve for the average citizen- and infinite generations to come. We're already, literally, in a controlled, perpetual serfdom. He's afraid of some "ism" that he believes will create what is already firmly in existence, only in a form that distractions from his political ruse allows him to overlook it's ramifications. Instead, he fears changing the very thing that enslaves all of us, including him. The people who are benefiting from this are actually geniuses. They almost deserve it. It's a pretty complete checkmate situation.
Again, and I will type s-l-o-w-e-r. You didn't say anything about the Fed because you don't understand it. I'm trying to educate you. But, you're beginning to tug on my cape. The libertarians are the ONLY ones calling for its abolition. Sooooo, when you denounce them, you mis-direct and empower the very rich and powerful you claim to despise.
Who do you think put the United Nations in place? The IMF? BIS? World Bank? You're playing a game on field you are unfamiliar with.
The fed thing is their main bugaboo. They have a banker fixation. What they don't understand is that if you get rid of the banks currently in existence, new ones will spring up in their place. They act like the answer to every problem is to eliminate the ability to borrow money.
If you only like libertarianism because you like their fed policy, then put your efforts there my friend. They are getting you to support evil by distracting you. If you can imagine a path that sweeps libertarians to power so that they can then vote out the fed, then you could surely imagine a path that simply involves getting people to vote out the fed without first requiring a complete shift in political thought for every institution in the nation. By backing libertarians to achieve your fed plan, you are making your goal harder.
He decries 'serfdom' which he thinks will be brought on America if libertarians take control. Yet, he dismisses the fact that in 1950, you could attend Harvard for $500 a year. When you graduated, your biggest expense was buying a house. Today, there is over $1.3 Trillion in student loan debt. A graduate today will incur tens of thousands of dollars in student loans with no hopes of landing a job. He/she won't be able to buy a house until they're in their 40's IF they can pay down their student loans. They are indentured servants. Natural loves this system.
I don't know if its true of the movement in general, but it seems clear that in this thread our local "libertarians" don't actually value libertarianism so much as they are simply scared of the fed. I think that speaks well of them as libertarianism is a horrid philosophy. Its easier to forgive Nat, strumm, et al. once you realize they have just been conned into supporting a philosophy they don't understand for what might be called good intentions.
Remain in blissful ignorance and stay out of all things Fed. One liberal embarrassment is all I can take for one day.
What you don't understand is that it took legislation to enact the FED. Others cannot automatically pop up.
Another point for my position. Thanks man. Under your system most universities would close.
