Harrahs casino in New Orleans refuses entry to a black female because

[Tfxchawk]

If she graduated college, then enlisted right after, don't they promote you automatically to an e-3 or e-4? So if she graduated at 20 or 21, would 3 yrs in service be out of the timeframe to get 2 promotions to e-6 and then attend ocs to get to o-1? 23 does sound young to be an e-6, but is it possible? Something isn't adding up, wonder if the facts of the situation are getting muddled like these viral stories tend to have happen.

In any case, why wouldn't her original id be good enough?

There are time in grade requirements and once at that rank you need to pass muster with a board. She doesn't have the experience to be that rank at her age not to mention her also becoming an officer. These are not small accomplishments where you get promoted because you hit some time in service thing. It is competitive and there are rules and reviews that happen. You also don't get that rank just because your boss likes you.

Her old id is not good enough. She is using a military id that does not represent who she is if she truly is an officer. That isn't done. The military wouldn't accept that ID why should a casino

 

[Tfxchawk]

Or if that was a white woman aged 23 she'd be let in with a military ID showing she was ranked E-6 no questions asked. The End.

You have no idea if that is true at all.

 

[Chishawk1425]

You have no idea if that is true at all.

I have plenty of evidence supporting my hypothesis.

 

[Tfxchawk]

I have plenty of evidence supporting my hypothesis.

No you really don't.
Although it is amusing to me that you may have recently been hiding out in this casino taking notes. The floor manager was drinking milk......I knew it. White milk. Need I say more....

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Either way, can we all agree that the race of the individuals is completely irrelevant to this entire scenario and were only inserted to gain attention for an attention-whore?

 

[Tfxchawk]

Either way, can we all agree that the race of the individuals is completely irrelevant to this entire scenario and were only inserted to gain attention for an attention-whore?

Yes

 

[PoopandBoogers]

Her old id is not good enough. She is using a military id that does not represent who she is if she truly is an officer. That isn't done. The military wouldn't accept that ID why should a casino

Sorry, was talking about her drivers license. Just wondering why that didn't work.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Are you assuming she entered as E-1? If she did JROTC, she could have entered in as an E-3. Again, I’d think it would be rare to be E-6 at 23, but not impossible.

Not necessarily, but E-1 - E-3 doesn't have a lot difference in TIG. My daughter (no pics) did a 6-year commitment which awarded her E-3 upon graduation of tech school.

Sure, it's possible, but the math on it's very tight. I need to look at the time in grade (TIG) and time in service (TIS) requirements for all the services--which is a lot of work--to be certain.

What I find frustrating in all this, is the automatic assumption that this is about race.

 

[Tfxchawk]

Sorry, was talking about her drivers license. Just wondering why that didn't work.

It should have. Why did she pull out an inaccurate military ID? Assuming she is now a lieutenant and was actually an e-6 previously she is misrepresenting herself. As an officer she is doing that.

Then she films herself doing it.

This isn't going to end well for her.

 

[Tfxchawk]

She is a liar


Staff Sergeant (E-6)
The staff sergeant rank closely parallels that of the sergeant in duties and responsibilities. In fact, the basic duties and responsibility of all the NCO ranks never change, but there are significant differences between this step in the NCO structure and the preceding one.

The major difference between the staff sergeant and the sergeant is not, as often mistakenly believed, authority but rather sphere of influence. The staff sergeant is in daily contact with large numbers of soldiers and generally has more equipment and other property to maintain.

The SSG often has one or more sergeants who work under their direct leadership. The SSG is responsible for the continued successful development of sergeants as well as the soldiers in their section, squad or team.

Moving up the Army ranks: SSG candidates must meet the following basic eligibility criteria to compete:

Command recommendation
84 months' time in service
10 months' time in grade
Must graduate the primary leadership development course (PLDC)
Possess a high school diploma, GED equivalency or college degree

 

[Tfxchawk]

Really hard to overcome that 84 months time in service. Doesn't matter what rank she came in as....

 

[alaskanseminole]

No idea if this story is legit or not, but my son enlisted as an E4 at age 19.

What service? I've never heard of that (at least not without college). Here are the army reqs:

- To join as a specialist (E-4), you must have a four-year degree at an accredited college or university.

Not possible to join as an E-4 for the other 3 services. You probably meant E-3.

 

[B1GDeal]

It should have. Why did she pull out an inaccurate military ID? Assuming she is now a lieutenant and was actually an e-6 previously she is misrepresenting herself. As an officer she is doing that.

Then she films herself doing it.

This isn't going to end well for her.

I don't thin k its a big deal especially if she just made 2LT. I guess the bigger question is if she showed this ID and he said nope... then she showed a drivers license with same information and he still said no I'd wonder why. Most places have scanners that read this things (bars, night clubs, casinos). I'd like to also know what happened after police arrived - was she let in?

 

[alaskanseminole]

Or if that was a white woman aged 23 she'd be let in with a military ID showing she was ranked E-6 no questions asked. The End.

That's a HUGE assumption. You are asserting that 100% the employee is a proven racist. There are 330 million Americans and you'd rather assume the worst in people than the best. You live a sad life, Chis. ...a life skewed by Twitter garbage.

 

[Hawkdiver]

I have very little, if any, knowledge of military rank and how/when they are achieved. I do know know however that graduates of West Point are 2nd LT. Could it be that she, at 23, has graduated from an academy and therefore the typical timeline does not apply? I don't know, just something that hit me.

 

[alaskanseminole]

then she showed a drivers license with same information and he still said no I'd wonder why. Most places have scanners that read this things (bars, night clubs, casinos). I'd like to also know what happened after police arrived - was she let in?

This has merit.

The only thing I can think of is if he's thinking one is a lie, then the other must be too. Sadly, I had a buddy in Alaska use my roommate's Mil ID and DL to go to a club with me. It happens.

 

[alaskanseminole]

I have very little, if any, knowledge of military rank and how/when they are achieved. I do know know however that graduates of West Point are 2nd LT. Could it be that she, at 23, has graduated from an academy and therefore the typical timeline does not apply? I don't know, just something that hit me.

Nope. If that were the case she would have never had an enlisted ID card, much less an E-6 with high TIS/TIG requirements. She would have commissioned immediately upon graduation.

 

[runkpanole]

I have very little, if any, knowledge of military rank and how/when they are achieved. I do know know however that graduates of West Point are 2nd LT. Could it be that she, at 23, has graduated from an academy and therefore the typical timeline does not apply? I don't know, just something that hit me.

A 2LT at 23 is not uncommon. An E-6 at 23 would be very uncommon, if not impossible.

 

[alaskanseminole]

She is a liar


Staff Sergeant (E-6)
The staff sergeant rank closely parallels that of the sergeant in duties and responsibilities. In fact, the basic duties and responsibility of all the NCO ranks never change, but there are significant differences between this step in the NCO structure and the preceding one.

The major difference between the staff sergeant and the sergeant is not, as often mistakenly believed, authority but rather sphere of influence. The staff sergeant is in daily contact with large numbers of soldiers and generally has more equipment and other property to maintain.

The SSG often has one or more sergeants who work under their direct leadership. The SSG is responsible for the continued successful development of sergeants as well as the soldiers in their section, squad or team.

Moving up the Army ranks: SSG candidates must meet the following basic eligibility criteria to compete:

Command recommendation
84 months' time in service
10 months' time in grade
Must graduate the primary leadership development course (PLDC)
Possess a high school diploma, GED equivalency or college degree

And that's Army. In the Air Force it's a Technical Sergeant and the requirements are higher and typically take longer.

 

[ironside1]

Ugh...screwed up my response. Editing now.

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Going from an E-6 to a 2nd LT isn't a promotion, it's a lengthy process that requires a 4-year degree along the way; either via ROTC or night-school along the way. In either case, there just isn't that kind of time built into her rank claim, her age and the time it takes to achieve both. For her to have made it to E-6, then go through 9-17 weeks of OTS/OCS (depending on service), then on to her new career training school she'd likely be between 27-29 (on average). To be 23, she'd have needed to start that process as an E2-E4.

Thanks, I had no idea, obviously.
She seemed pretty confident though. She was happy the cops were being called. If I was the guy calling at that was her reaction I would’ve been thinking maybe I am making a mistake here.

 

[alaskanseminole]

If she graduated college, then enlisted right after, don't they promote you automatically to an e-3 or e-4?

Yes (if the person didn't opt for a commission and go to OCS/OTS)

So if she graduated at 20 or 21, would 3 yrs in service be out of the timeframe to get 2 promotions to e-6 and then attend ocs to get to o-1? 23 does sound young to be an e-6, but is it possible? Something isn't adding up, wonder if the facts of the situation are getting muddled like these viral stories tend to have happen.

yes

In any case, why wouldn't her original id be good enough?

If you mean her DL, if it was her's, then yes. A lot of us habitually show our Mil ID because it's typically handier...I have to dig for my DL. Also, there's discounts, ya know.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Or if that was a white woman aged 23 she'd be let in with a military ID showing she was ranked E-6 no questions asked. The End.

Also, be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Quit treating ALL black people as victims. Black Americans who aren't victims grow tired of this $hit. Tell a person (or group of persons) they're victims long enough, they become just that.

When racism overtly raises its evil head, squash it! Don't create it where it isn't present just to feed a narrative.

If my neighbor, who is black, is cranking his music at 12am I'm going to ask him to turn it down. Not because he's black, but because I need sleep and he's being inconsiderate.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Also, be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Quit treating ALL black people as victims. Black Americans who aren't victims grow tired of this $hit. Tell a person (or group of persons) they're victims long enough, they become just that.

When racism overtly raises its evil head, squash it! Don't create it where it isn't present just to feed a narrative.

If my neighbor, who is black, is cranking his music at 12am I'm going to ask him to turn it down. Not because he's black, but because I need sleep and he's being inconsiderate.

Lol. My OP showed how racism is alive and well in this mess of a place because of the loud minority.

 

[Tfxchawk]

Nope. If that were the case she would have never had an enlisted ID card, much less an E-6 with high TIS/TIG requirements. She would have commissioned immediately upon graduation.

I would absolutely believe her had she simply said lieutenant and her ID matched that. An e-6? Not a chance. Those a grumpy old bastards that enjoy making people miserable. Just personal experience that an e-6 is the guy that gets shit done and knows how the work is done. Still front line enough to be in your face daily but high enough up the chain that the officers and the higher level ncos give a shit what he or she thinks. Pissing them off is always a huge mistake as they are the actual people in charge regardless of rank. An e7 is beyond the daily take shit. Looking at time I grade she isn't old enough. Looking at reality she isn't the person.

She does sound like a lieutenant that hasn't had the shit kicked out of her emotionally by an e-6 yet though. Lots of those types that think their rank matters and will find out soon enough it doesn't

 

[Tfxchawk]

Lol. My OP showed how racism is alive and well in this mess of a place because of the loud minority.

Yeah you are the racist.

 

[PoopandBoogers]

Yes (if the person didn't opt for a commission and go to OCS/OTS)


yes


If you mean her DL, if it was her's, then yes. A lot of us habitually show our Mil ID because it's typically handier...I have to dig for my DL. Also, there's discounts, ya know.

Well, she had her other id in her hand, sooooo wtf?

 

[alaskanseminole]

She does sound like a lieutenant that hasn't had the shit kicked out of her emotionally by an e-6 yet though. Lots of those types that think their rank matters and will find out soon enough it doesn't

^This

As a retired E-7, I'll say if she is an LT, her CC is going to be livid over her behavior. As a military profession at arms, you have to be above the rest, not succumb to that sort of behavior.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Well, she had her other id in her hand, sooooo wtf?

and that's probably what did her in. Her Mil ID wouldn't have her age on it, so it's not going to work to get you in because you can be 18-20 with that ID. Once she showed her DL, he was like, "...um, 23? Nope." Also, she may not have looked like the woman in the photo. We don't know that yet.

I sure hope we hear more on this.

 

[nolesincebirth]

^This

As a retired E-7, I'll say if she is an LT, her CC is going to be livid over her behavior. As a military profession at arms, you have to be above the rest, not succumb to that sort of behavior.

Assuming she’s telling the truth, what was she supposed to do? I don’t think she was belligerent or rude. She was denied entry and was contesting the denial.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Lol. My OP showed how racism is alive and well in this mess of a place because of the loud minority.

So this scenario is impossible in your opionion.

- Woman is asked to show ID to Casino employee and provides Mil ID.
- Mil ID doesn't provide age, so woman is asked to show 2nd form of ID.
- Casino employee doesn't believe the ID belongs to the woman (never said it was fake) because either:
-- A. It doesn't look like her or
-- B. He doesn't believe the woman can be the rank she claims at the age her DL shows.

So, the hill you're willing to die on is the above scenario is impossible?

 

[Tfxchawk]

Assuming she’s telling the truth, what was she supposed to do? I don’t think she was belligerent or rude. She was denied entry and was contesting the denial.

Walk away. She escalated. A military officer in public does not behave this way. Ever. If they do they get in trouble.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Assuming she’s telling the truth, what was she supposed to do? I don’t think she was belligerent or rude. She was denied entry and was contesting the denial.

If you've never served, it's hard to explain. If I'd have done that, my First Shirt and CC would have had my ass.

 

[ironside1]

So this scenario is impossible in your opionion.

- Woman is asked to show ID to Casino employee and provides Mil ID.
- Mil ID doesn't provide age, so woman is asked to show 2nd form of ID.
- Casino employee doesn't believe the ID belongs to the woman (never said it was fake) because either:
-- A. It doesn't look like her or
-- B. He doesn't believe the woman can be the rank she claims at the age her DL shows.

So, the hill you're willing to die on is the above scenario is impossible?

I mean isn’t he implying it is fake if he doesn’t think it is valid?

 

[runkpanole]

^This

As a retired E-7, I'll say if she is an LT, her CC is going to be livid over her behavior. As a military profession at arms, you have to be above the rest, not succumb to that sort of behavior.

My favorite scene from The Pacific

 

[hydro2.0]

I’m pretty sure chis gets cucked

 

[PoopandBoogers]

and that's probably what did her in. Her Mil ID wouldn't have her age on it, so it's not going to work to get you in because you can be 18-20 with that ID. Once she showed her DL, he was like, "...um, 23? Nope." Also, she may not have looked like the woman in the photo. We don't know that yet.

I sure hope we hear more on this.

Military ids don't have dob now? Mine sure did 20yrs ago (army brat). Has that changed, cause I always thought that a military id was a valid form of id at bars, airports, hotels, etc.

 

[theiacowtipper]

I don't think it's possible to make E-6 by age 23......there are time in grade requirements to be eligible for promotion.

I didn’t watch the video. Was she active duty or a reservist?

 

[OILCHECKER]

What service? I've never heard of that (at least not without college). Here are the army reqs:

- To join as a specialist (E-4), you must have a four-year degree at an accredited college or university.

Not possible to join as an E-4 for the other 3 services. You probably meant E-3.

Nope, not mistaken. It was the army. Graduated HS at 17. Went to community college for 2 yrs and rather than continuing on to a 4 yr univ decided to join the military. This was not too long after 911, so I don't know if they were loosening things up or trying to get enlistment numbers up, but based on his college credits, military apt test scores and PT scores they were able to get him enlisted as an E4 specialist right out of the gate.

 

[NoleinATL]

I have been to numerous Harrah's over the years, including that run-down place in NO at least 10 times, which quite a few of those visits were when I was in college so I was asked for ID. The person tasked with checking ID was always a man or woman dressed in RedCoat, not once has that been different in any Harrah's I have visited.
If that is still the case, why did a floor manager get called into the discussion?
Did the red coat question the id's, then the young lady demand to see a manager and Corey came over to check the situation? Do we have a Karen situation?
Did Corey see a young black woman trying to gain entry and think to himself, not today damn it, today I make my stand?
Is Harrah's still guilty of discrimination if two employees, 1 white and 1 African American question the validity of the ID?
The young man in the black jacket shakes hands with RedCoat near the end of the video, hard to understand what was said, but the fact he was acknowledged leads one to believe he was involved in some form, so would be interesting to hear his version.

These twitter clips often leave so many questions that they make for good message board fodder.

In the end
Corey should have just said he didn't think it was her and not question anything else and he could have probably gotten out unscathed. Making it personal escalated the situation when he was there to de-escalate.

FWIW, the young lady states the cops never came and she waited 2 hours.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Military ids don't have dob now? Mine sure did 20yrs ago (army brat). Has that changed, cause I always thought that a military id was a valid form of id at bars, airports, hotels, etc.

EDIT: My Retirement Mil ID has my DOB on the back. My CAC does not.

Nope. not any more.

Looking at my Basic Training issued ID right now (from 1994). It has my shaved head photo, rank, SSN and expiration date. On the back is the DOB.

Today's Mil IDs don't have DOBs or SSNs.

This is two styles ago (the one right after the one I described above). DOB still on back.

1st Gen CAC no DOB or SSN:

Today's CAC which is actually the Next Generation Uniformed Services ID (USID):