Right. And let me be clear: we all have unconscious biases for many reasons. Most of them are part of being human and not malicious in nature. My point is for good people, such as yourself, to consider the impact unconscious bias has on e.g. black women.
In this case, I 100% believe your military experience led you to believe something was fishy. Others in this thread, not so much. So, yes, whether it was you, Chis, myself, or anyone else who cared to comment, none of us knew shit. My point, again, was about human nature and the impact that
I had a PLDC instructor that was one of these unicorns. She was a 23 year old SSG. She was 2 years older and already 2 grades ahead. Magnificent ta-tas. Jamie Lee Curtis in uniform. Conversation turned to what was her career track. She was a General’s clerk.Solid post.
Had I not been a veteran, I'm honestly not sure how I would have reacted, I'd assume much differently. My unconscious bias was, "There's no way in hell a 23 year old was a prior-service 2nd LT in the grade of E-6." I couldn't get past that bias.
She was good at her job but always helps to have someone in your corner and not have to compete for a slot in a company where everyone has the same MOS.
Harrahs casino in New Orleans refuses entry to a black female because
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That was my initial reaction. The guy carding her is a complete moron and will probably lose his job. If she didnt film this, he's still going about his business being an asshole.
You're a young black army officer. A white security guard won't let you in after seeing your military ID, your drivers license and your freaking pay stub. Then calls the police on you. What do you think the issue is if you're her?
You have no way of knowing to what extent, if any, race factored in anymore than Chis does.
He said he didn't think it was her by the video. I'm guessing she isn't the only person to be told that at a casino.
I'm starting to think there is never a situation where race is involved in your world. It, in fact, seems based upon your posts....that you choose to live in a world that is of your own imagination.
Right, he didn't think it was her in either ID.
So if you're her what are you thinking after you show him both ID and a pay stub? You want to answer that question this time?
And now she has filed a Civil Rights complaint against the casino.
Statement from Caesar's:
“To comply with gaming regulations, Harrah’s New Orleans checks IDs for our guests who appear to be under 30 years old. To do so, we use an approved electronic reader, similar to what you would find at an airport TSA checkpoint. Our Team Members are trained to evaluate identification in accordance with local regulations. In this case, Ms. Harrison, who appeared to be under 30, presented a Louisiana driver’s license that did not clear our electronic verification system. When asked for an alternative form of identification, she presented a military ID card, but the information on the military ID card did not match the information she had verbally communicated to our security officers. As a result, in compliance with applicable gaming regulations, our security officers did not permit Ms. Harrison to enter the casino. Caesars Entertainment has an unwavering commitment to diversity and our military. We are saddened by this situation and will continue to evaluate our processes to ensure that we uphold both our commitment to our guests and our regulators. We have reached out to Ms. Harrison, who let us know she will be retaining legal counsel; as such, we will have no further comment.”
“To comply with gaming regulations, Harrah’s New Orleans checks IDs for our guests who appear to be under 30 years old. To do so, we use an approved electronic reader, similar to what you would find at an airport TSA checkpoint. Our Team Members are trained to evaluate identification in accordance with local regulations. In this case, Ms. Harrison, who appeared to be under 30, presented a Louisiana driver’s license that did not clear our electronic verification system. When asked for an alternative form of identification, she presented a military ID card, but the information on the military ID card did not match the information she had verbally communicated to our security officers. As a result, in compliance with applicable gaming regulations, our security officers did not permit Ms. Harrison to enter the casino. Caesars Entertainment has an unwavering commitment to diversity and our military. We are saddened by this situation and will continue to evaluate our processes to ensure that we uphold both our commitment to our guests and our regulators. We have reached out to Ms. Harrison, who let us know she will be retaining legal counsel; as such, we will have no further comment.”
Woah, woah, woah, you mean to tell me Caesars Entertainment, their approved electronic reader, their security officer, and gaming regulations laws are all racist?
I'm thinking where is the next casino I am going to go spend my money at and leaving.
As Paul Harvey would say, "The rest of the story".
Doesn't matter...the outrage is page 1, the rebuttal is page 64. As I stated on a previous page, I had a valid, military issued ID card that was taken because the issuer forgot the seal and the bar staff had been well trained on how to recognize fakes. Mine matched that criteria. Didn't stop me from getting pissed, though. It happens. And I completely understand why she was pissed off...she knew she was right.
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I'd like to know more about that. How does a casino in NO have a scanner that wouldn't clear a local state issued ID? Then, when given a military ID that matched the license for a person to then say wait you said 2LT but ID says E-6... something doesn't add up.
Maybe there was an issue with either the reader or the ID itself. That's possible right?
Not sure what I'd do if a person handed me a DL that didn't scan, then that person said, wait, I'm a 2nd LT in the Army...then pull out an E-6 ID. Wouldn't you (the employee) be thinking something seems very fishy?
Had her DL just processed correctly (and I would like to know why it didn't), there wouldn't even be a story here. ...but, again I understand her perspective, she knows who she is.
I still wonder if there is more. I'd love to see an entire video.
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I’ve had my ID scanned in multiple locations for alcohol, lottery tickets, etc.
Me too, but weird a place that relies on one couldn't get an ID from the same state to scan. Never seen that happen before. I'm guessing it does happen, but seems weird.
Seriously, I'd love to see video footage of the entire encounter, not just the start of the film once it had already escalated. There are security cameras everywhere, right?
You're not happily wrong, you're a complete idiot. Back a few pages you mentioned about her CC should be pissed about her behavior, well your behavior was is completely unacceptable in this thread. You're still trying to figure out how a black women can reached the level she did. If it was a white male, you wouldn't think twice about it. You really need to look in the mirror and make some personal changes.
This 100% unless they had trouble with all the other ID’s they scanned. I get mine scanned at liquor stores and even Target when I return something without a receipt.
That's all well and good about the military ID question, but I don't believe for a minute this would have happened if it was a white woman. Once she showed her other supporting identification she would have been let in, but this woman was not. The problem is this is not a rare exception that can be easily ignored - this shit happens all too often and needs to be called out until it stops.
BRAVO!!!! Very, very well stated. I hope the message gets through.
Two forms of ID, one which allegedly did not process through their unbiased systems and another which allegedly did not align with what the person said.
That is your opinion.
Yes, I was very clear in why I was trying to figure out how this person (not a black woman) was able to attain the rank of E-6 in unprecedented speed. I wasn't alone in that assertion and it had absolutely zero to do with her sex or color. Furthermore, I immediately owned the fact I was wrong, but did sincerely express my desire to know how she was able to accomplish it because (again) it's pretty rare.
At least I owned my inaccurate assumptions. I doubt you'll do the same.
And a third that did align with all of them. Not to mention that the Military ID had not been updated with a recent promotion which is quite understandable - if you want to understand.
And that's the part where Bel's comments about convenience does have merit.
The only way to know in this instance, is if the full video footage is released. If I understand @NoleATL 's comments correctly, the employee who should have originally checked/scanned her ID was the man in the red coat who was a Black American. If he had issues, then called the gentlemen with the tie over, then I would think that would be a vital detail to any claims of racism/discrimination.
Hence why I said nobody knows for sure what the motive for that level of scrutiny was and if the same scrutiny would be exercised if the person in question were a white male. I don’t know. Can you honestly say you do?
Regardless, my point on racism and unintentional biases still stands regardless of how that truth makes you or anyone else feel. Frankly, I don’t give a good goddamn about yours, Chis’s, or anyone else’s delicate sensibilities. Racism and unconscious bias very much exist in our society whether you choose to believe it or not. Was racism or unconscious bias present in this incident? Again, no idea. And, as already stated, you don’t have the first clue either.
While it’s true that wanting to make every incident involving a minority about prejudice is reckless and irresponsible, it’s equally reprehensible, if not more, to always default to “no racism or prejudice” is in play unless the person in question is wearing a hooded white robe and dropping the n-bomb. Any reasonably educated adult should have a little more cognitive dexterity than that. At least, I would hope. The greater point is as a white male I have the luxury of intellectualizing this because I never face such scrutiny. Ever. Black people, on the other hand, have to wonder all the time if the treatment they are receiving is normal or due to their race. I’m sorry, not sorry, if the truth of that makes some white people uncomfortable, but just a little bit of empathy would go a long way in healing some pretty deep-seated wounds. Honestly, it’s not that difficult to be a little understanding. It’s really not. I wish more people would try it.
Of course there is. If someone is accused of racism and they deny it, that's a pretty good indicator that they're a big ol' racist.
The more forceful the denial of accusations of racism, the greater evidence that the accusation was, indeed, correct.
This is basic logic.
You spent pages trying to justify why she was a fake, rather than giving her the benefit of the doubt. You're still having a hard time believing it, you want to know how she accomplished it. I'm not sure you'll ever be able to accept it.
You and the other posters who quickly called her a fake are part of the problem with the world today. It doesn't even matter if she was a fake or not, the fact you and others came to a quick judgement is just wrong.
Yes, we all did and we listed justification as to why. and it had ZERO to do with her being a woman or black, so I think you're the one who needs to look in the mirror. I've been 100% transparent about my reasonings...you? Not so much.
And I owned that I was wrong.
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Let me ask you a question. Let's say you're a manager of a store...been doing it for 25+ years and you know for a fact it takes about 4-6 hours to take inventory. Why? Because it's your field and you're expert in said field. Then one day a new employee claims to have accomplished inventory in 30 minutes. You're telling me you'd simply accept that at face value? You wouldn't question that?
Then lets say it turns out the new hire actually did accomplish the task as claimed. Wouldn't you want to know how he/she did it? Wouldn't you apologize for making the mistake then want to understand how it was done so you could replicate that throughout your store/staff?
Maybe it's a bad analogy, but that was my mindset. I served 20 years, then served another 7 on the civilian side. I have, what I thought at least, a thorough understanding of the military promotion system. This was an outlier and I gained knowledge from the experience. I was wrong, she's pretty amazing and none of this has the slightest to do with race or sex. Not sure how to make that any clearer for you.
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I see where you're trying to go with the analogy but it's not quite that. You're not the store owner who knows everything, you may think you do, but you obviously don't (and that's ok, no one is a complete expert). You're more like an employee who's been working at the store for years, you have a decent amount of knowledge of inventory but you're not an expert.
When the women showed proof of who she was, she deserved the benefit of the doubt. You were unwilling to give her that. It's like a few months back when a women slapped a military person at a pizza place because the women thought he was a fake. When people provide the proof, they deserve the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. That doesn't mean people call them fake or slap them.
Which is why I admitted I was wrong, and was actually the only person in the thread to do so. I wasn't even one of the one's who flat out called her a liar, but yet I was called out. I was called an idiot AND a racist (by you) without the "benefit of the doubt". Heck, even that [idiot] wasn't an accurate assessment of my thread participation.
id·i·ot
noun
a stupid person.
You should have gone with arrogant.
ar·ro·gant
adjective
having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.
And I admitted very specifically that was due to my unconscious bias; based on 27+ years of military experience, not race or sex. Not sure what else I can do in that regard.
I'm not familiar with this incident. I agree a person shouldn't be slapped and I'm glad the woman in the [casino] video wasn't physically harmed, escorted out forcefully, or anything of that nature.
