Harrahs casino in New Orleans refuses entry to a black female because
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Interesting break-down.
I've never been to a NOLA casino. So you're saying the black man in the red coat most likely denied initial entry and the white man in the tie confirmed it?
Late 90s. See my other post above. (EDIT: Nov 1999 was the first Common Access Card (CAC))
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So, it appears that she was in ROTC, graduated from Grambling with numerous honors, has written several published magazine articles and appeared on TV, and lists being a military officer on her Twitter and Instagram pages. Quite the ruse she has going.
Yeah. I went to her twitter account in the op's link and scrolled through it. Seems legit and pretty accomplished and is doubling down pretty damn hard on the situation. Doubt she would go through all that if she was fos.
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I was about to post the same thing...turns out she is IN FACT a bad ass.
New Orleans casino calls cops on Black woman after not believing rank on her military ID
Harrah's New Orleans casino called the police on a Black woman after staff suggested that she had a fraudulent military ID because her rank was too high.Deja Harrison wrote about the incident in a series of tweets this week."Harrahs Casino called the police on me because I showed my military I.D...
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I, and the other vets on here, stand corrected.
Now, I want to know how the frack she actually did it. She somehow managed to bypass TIG/TIS requirements which has me corfuzed as hell. LOL
I have to agree here. Looks like she's done some broadcasting work, so her career would be fried. I'm thinking she must be in the reserves/guard as others before me posted as a possibility.
Like I said above, I want to know more!
I bet the guy questioning her is an old, grumpy, retired e-5 or something and was like oh hells nah.I was about to post the same thing...turns out she is IN FACT a bad ass.
New Orleans casino calls cops on Black woman after not believing rank on her military ID
Harrah's New Orleans casino called the police on a Black woman after staff suggested that she had a fraudulent military ID because her rank was too high.Deja Harrison wrote about the incident in a series of tweets this week."Harrahs Casino called the police on me because I showed my military I.D...
I, and the other vets on here, stand corrected.
Now, I want to know how the frack she actually did it. She somehow managed to bypass TIG/TIS requirements which has me corfuzed as hell. LOL
I’m just thanksful id scanners were non-existent during my late teen years. Had an expired Kansas ID, said I was 6-6 and looked nothing like me. Somehow I worked for a year and a half in IC until I turned 21.
Here's a photo of her as a Cadet Capt.
I'm thinking she was a communications major:
By: Deja Harrison, Sports Information Staff
gsutigers.com
If she was a 4-year ROTC cadet, I still can't figure out when/how she was ever an E-6. Seriously! This will keep me up at night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT: Thanks @NoleinATL for the updated post on "how" she did it.
I'm thinking she was a communications major:
By: Deja Harrison, Sports Information Staff
Grambling State set to open season at Louisiana - Grambling State University Athletics
GRAMBLING, La. | The Grambling State University football team will kick off its first game of the season on Saturday night as the Tigers begin the two-game season-opening
gsutigers.com
If she was a 4-year ROTC cadet, I still can't figure out when/how she was ever an E-6. Seriously! This will keep me up at night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT: Thanks @NoleinATL for the updated post on "how" she did it.
I'm 100% OKay with being wrong because I love success stories like this. She really, truly is a rarity! I also didn't realize she not only showed her Mil ID and DL, but a damn LES and some other proof I can't recall. At that point, I'm not sure why she wasn't allowed in so that BS is definitely on the Casino.
I was too hung up in the math and logistics of this. Ugh.
I guess...still not 100% certain. Over the years there have been different programs and methods of commissioning as well as enlisted commitments that lead to higher ranks. I'm not sure what she means by "contracted E-5" because enlisted service commitments are different than officer commissions.
Me personally, I joined as an E-1 and then as an E-4 went to Angel State full time under the old Boot Strap program with the intention of transitioning after a year to their ROTC program. Upon completion, I would have commissioned as a 2nd LT and would have required a 10-year service commitment (min) to retire as an officer later on.
I wound up skipping that option and just did the one year at Angel State. After that I PCSd to Lackland and continued working towards my Bachelor Degree. Once I completed it, I submitted my non-technical application to attend OCS so I could commission. Sadly, I wound up going through a divorce and withdrew my application in an effort to gain custody of my daughters (needed to show stability and it worked). ...ended up staying enlisted and retiring at 20 as an E-7.
My daughter (no pics) just joined the USAF on a 6-year deal and entered at the rank of E-3 (after she completed tech school).
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Enjoy waking up to see all the jr detectives eating their words. At least alaska has the grace to admit he was wrong.
Happily wrong.
She's got a great story that should inspire all women. If that means I dine on crow tonight so be it.
That's the convenient thing about racism.
no you don't you have anecdotal evidence that shows 0 causation. You also have 0 idea if this security guy has questioned others status before or if he has received fake id's like this before.
There's nothing convenient about racism.
Would you agree/disagree that if society makes every negative interaction between white and black people about race, we'll never heal and move forward?
Honestly, you have to be able to understand the difference between facts and assumptions:
Fact:
Harrahs Casino in New Orleans denied entry to a 23 y.o.
Instigation of Assumption:
Harrahs Casino in New Orleans denied entry to a 23 y.o. Black woman because she showed her military ID and the white employee doesn’t believe she could’ve made the rank of E-6. Called the police on her.
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You just had several veterans recognize the extreme rarity of this situation and site a plethora of evidence in support of our stance, none of which were based on race. Yes, it turned out we were all wrong, but it should suffice there was enough evidence supporting the assumption this wasn't race related.
I expect this type of behavior from Chis, but you're a smart guy, Bel. Surely you see another side to all this race baiting. Heck, even Lt Harrison avoids bringing race into this. She is only discussing the merits of her credentials, not her race.
The convenient thing about racism is that there's usually no way to prove it. The person can give excuses as to why they did something that people who don't want to see racism will accept.
If you took the time to read thru the twitter thread (which I know you didn't because you kept talking about USAF ranks when it was clear she was in the Army) you would have seen that several former security guards from Harahs chimed in that they ask for ID from young black women to scare off sex workers. Which is why he jumped to calling the cops - that was supposed to scare he off too. He was making assumptions based on her appearance. He was wrong. He should have eaten his crow and let her in.
I believe the Army is the only branch that can let people enlist at the rank of E-4 (Specialist). Air Force and Navy cap it at E-3, and the Marines cap it at E-2 (though there are occasional meritorious promotions to LCpl right after boot camp).
To my knowledge a 4 year degree is what gets a person to enlist as an E-4, but maybe your son had multiple 2-year degrees? I know a few Airmen that were able to knock out their associates' while still in high school which got them to E-3.
And technically it is possible to make E-6 at 23. For the Air Force I do know it's minimum of 6 years time in service, so if they joined at 17 (and qualified as an E-3), made Senior Airman below the zone (which I think is 28 months in service and grade, which would be concurrent) so they would be E-4 before they turn 20, and if they time the testing cycle just right, they can test for Staff and if they make it their first try, they can pin on E-5 a year later (so they would be E-5 before they turn 21) and I think they have to skip a cycle and then it would be their second year as an E-5 before they test for E-6, so they would be testing just before they turn 23 and if they are lucky enough to make it the first time, they can pin it on before they turn 24. Not very common, and Air Force promotions are generally somewhat slower than other services. Average time in service to make E-6 is roughly 10-11 years.
Well, then....Harrah's DEFINITELY don't want no smart people going in and counting cards on them at the blackjack tables...
That makes sense, but certainly works both ways. As I stated earlier, I can walk across the street to ask my black neighbor to turn down his music and that can go a lot of different ways since I'm white. Hopefully, it will go as I intend that it would, BUT we all know it could go south (unnecessarily)
No, I didn't read through a bunch of twitter comments I only watched the video that Chis posted and from the video it's not clear she was in the Army (and it's still not clear if she's in the Army or Army National Guard). Additionally, I was pretty consistent in my ambiguity of service:
From Me:
"if this is an Air Force ID, the average time to make E-6 is 9.12 years so that's around 27 years old. The average time in the Army is 8.5 years."
"For her to have made it to E-6, then go through 9-17 weeks of OTS/OCS (depending on service)" [this is accounting for both the Army and Air Force]
"Sure, it's possible, but the math on it's very tight. I need to look at the time in grade (TIG) and time in service (TIS) requirements for all the services..."
"What service? I've never heard of that (at least not without college). Here are the Army reqs: - To join as a specialist (E-4), you must have a four-year degree at an accredited college or university."
So sex working is common place at this establishment? Only of black women or of all young women (honestly asking as I do not know). Sounds like he was profiling and it bit him in the arse.
Profiling:
the act or process of extrapolating information about a person based on known traits or tendencies.
Racism:
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
I agree with this 100%. I read later that she showed her Mil ID, her DL, her LES and a vaccination card. At that point I agree he should have swallowed his pride and allowed her in.
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Again, to be clear, I'm not saying the employee isn't a racist. A thorough investigation may reveal he is, in fact, a POS. However, I continue to challenge the fact too many people automatically jump to that assertion when there may be other factors at play. That is all I'm saying. Why not simply discuss the known variables rather than hammer down on what we "think" might have been a root cause?
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You are spot on and what's not factored in that breakdown is the application time/approval for OTS, the completion of OTS as well as the training time for the new officer career field. And, yes, @BelemNole , we're talking about the USAF here, but the time-lines are only about a year off for the Army, so you can see why many of us understood the perspective of the employee who thought she was too young to have been an E-6. {acknowledging again, for the record, that I was wrong}
And I still support the notion his stance could have been, as Bel said, convenient, but wonder why that seems to be the default assumption these days. Chis said this would have been a non-issue had she been white. Well, what if the employee did challenge the authenticity of the ID in that scenario. Would we even know about it?
It was never his position to judge if she advanced "too fast." You can see in the video that she provided him with a military ID and a matching drivers license. Who in the world would falsify both just to gamble in a shitty casino? He was wrong and he didn't back down. She then went so far as to show him a pay stub and he still didn't budge. Why? Because he believed he was right?
As I said above, the convenient thing about racism is that you can't prove it in many cases, but can you find another plausible explanation for his actions?
Not following on this statement.
EDIT: Ahhh, you mean as in rank. I was literally thinking like approaching him too quickly. #facepalmingmyself LOL
I disagree on this one. It's no different than someone checking my ID thinking I'm way too young looking and therefore asking for further identification. Sometimes that youthful appearance can bite ya.
Again, with only watching the video it was plausible that he looked at the ID, saw she was only 23 and didn't buy she was an E-6, so he asked for her DL. Then the DL said she was 23. To me, that's 100% legitimate. However, once she started providing other forms of ID, his pride should have been pocketed and he should have let her in.
I think you already answered your own question. If he's not a racist, then he's very prideful and just didn't want to be wrong. "He was wrong and he didn't back down" That's pride and it's often people's downfall.
Hell, look at all of us here on HROT. We go to great lengths to type out our thoughts, often times in an attempt to simply be right (myself included).
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I’ve read through most of the comments in this thread and here are my takeaways:
1. Nobody in this thread knows shit.
2. How many minors would take it as far as she did if she were full of shit? Not many.
3. We don’t know the casino worker’s reasons for denying her entrance. In his mind, it could have been standard procedure with no consideration of race. Or, it could have been an unconscious bias because of race and/or gender. Or, it could have been blatant prejudice due to race and/or gender. Only the gentleman in the video knows for sure.
4. With #3 in mind, I will offer this as food for thought: Is it more or less common for black people and/or women to be given the benefit of the doubt in that type of situation? If it were a 23-year-old white dude showing two valid forms of ID, how likely would it have been that the police were called? I’m guessing not likely.
Here’s the deal. More times than not, these conflicts do not arise from blatant racism, although some unfortunately still do. However, even if this was an honest case of unconscious bias, which I believe it most likely was, some of you who are white need to put yourself in black people’s shoes and consider how you would handle being subjected to actual racism and/or unconscious biases as regular occurrences in your everyday life. Think how exhausting, degrading, and vexing it must be to deal with that all the frickin time. On top of that, you have white people constantly telling you racism no longer exists and to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that incidents like in the OP aren’t because of your race. If you consider yourself to be a decent person and not a racist piece of shit, just think about it for a little bit.
Yes, we still need to not immediately jump to conclusions. Yes, going straight to Chis-bomb mode isn’t the answer. However, some of you in this thread who were quick to impugn this young woman’s integrity while being equally quick to defend the casino worker as deserving the benefit of the doubt “until all the facts came out,” might want to ask yourselves why your instincts were not to do that in reverse. Just think about it. 🤔
And for those who don’t know, I’m a 40-year-old white dude.
1. Nobody in this thread knows shit.
2. How many minors would take it as far as she did if she were full of shit? Not many.
3. We don’t know the casino worker’s reasons for denying her entrance. In his mind, it could have been standard procedure with no consideration of race. Or, it could have been an unconscious bias because of race and/or gender. Or, it could have been blatant prejudice due to race and/or gender. Only the gentleman in the video knows for sure.
4. With #3 in mind, I will offer this as food for thought: Is it more or less common for black people and/or women to be given the benefit of the doubt in that type of situation? If it were a 23-year-old white dude showing two valid forms of ID, how likely would it have been that the police were called? I’m guessing not likely.
Here’s the deal. More times than not, these conflicts do not arise from blatant racism, although some unfortunately still do. However, even if this was an honest case of unconscious bias, which I believe it most likely was, some of you who are white need to put yourself in black people’s shoes and consider how you would handle being subjected to actual racism and/or unconscious biases as regular occurrences in your everyday life. Think how exhausting, degrading, and vexing it must be to deal with that all the frickin time. On top of that, you have white people constantly telling you racism no longer exists and to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that incidents like in the OP aren’t because of your race. If you consider yourself to be a decent person and not a racist piece of shit, just think about it for a little bit.
Yes, we still need to not immediately jump to conclusions. Yes, going straight to Chis-bomb mode isn’t the answer. However, some of you in this thread who were quick to impugn this young woman’s integrity while being equally quick to defend the casino worker as deserving the benefit of the doubt “until all the facts came out,” might want to ask yourselves why your instincts were not to do that in reverse. Just think about it. 🤔
And for those who don’t know, I’m a 40-year-old white dude.
Solid post.
Had I not been a veteran, I'm honestly not sure how I would have reacted, I'd assume much differently. My unconscious bias was, "There's no way in hell a 23 year old was a prior-service 2nd LT in the grade of E-6." I couldn't get past that bias.
Right. And let me be clear: we all have unconscious biases for many reasons. Most of them are part of being human and not malicious in nature. My point is for good people, such as yourself, to consider the impact unconscious bias has on e.g. black women.Solid post.
Had I not been a veteran, I'm honestly not sure how I would have reacted, I'd assume much differently. My unconscious bias was, "There's no way in hell a 23 year old was a prior-service 2nd LT in the grade of E-6." I couldn't get past that bias.
In this case, I 100% believe your military experience led you to believe something was fishy. Others in this thread, not so much. So, yes, whether it was you, Chis, myself, or anyone else who cared to comment, none of us knew shit. My point, again, was about human nature and the impact that can have on others.
And this is case/point of why I continue to post here. Yes, I have to typically dig through a mess of garbage, but on days like today, I can actually learn something. Today is a good day.
I hope you continue to have a good day, my friend. Best wishes to you and fam.
TobyMac concert tonight, so yes...more goodness to come.
Also, same to you and yours, bud!
I got bored reading the thread, so I apologize if I am going to say the same damn thing. Look at her driver's license and that is the end of this debacle.
