The trouble is it's hard to replace a coach with success to beat a coach with much greater success. Sanderson is in a similar position that Gable had in his heyday. It's impossible to just be better than arguably the best. when Gable was coaching I just hoped for PSU success as much as possible. If you get into replacing every coach who isn't winning like Gable you foster program instability.
I agree it's not easy.
I never said a new facility means more to assembling a team compared to recruiting. Those are your words. As for recruits, we just had the #1 recruiting class by some media's rankings and a top 3 class by all media this year.
I get the sentiment, but what if it's impossible at the current time and your staff for example is the second best? Iowa had arguably the best coach ever, at least best at that time in Gable. They developed a culture of if you want to win, you come here.
I agree with this. Move Terry and Telford to the HWC and add 2 new coaches to the college staff. I'd love to see a couple new guys added to the HWC roster. Nolf, Gable, and Cox would be at the top of my list.
Loyalty, it's a great thing but it has drawbacks. It can get muddled or incestuous in some ways with everyone thinking the same way. PSU football struggled with that in the later Paterno years ( regular football stuff, not scandal stuff).
Really bad take Spooner. This is legit question for message board. Bringing it up is not outrage nor does it mean that the poster thinks bringing it up will solve the problem. Nebraska football fans were in denial for a long time. I see "give it more time". It shouldn't take that long, and nothing seems to be changing. A new facility will do nothing but allow the Athletic department to assign more costs to wrestling. Is it going to make our wrestlers better? Not really. Sure more space and newer space will help a little, but won't cure what ills us. They have access to weights, trainers, and coaches and the room right now. We are behind PSU on recruiting, wrestler development, training methods, and wrestling skills. Everything that the coach is responsible for. Its not going to magically happen. Yes, we won title a couple years ago, but we are a far inferior program and its getting to be a bigger gap. I have no doubt that if we were to hire Cael Sanderson, that we'd be the top program again within just a couple years regardless of new facilities or whatever.
I'm a bit confused. Are you saying one of the reasons they deserve to coach Iowa is that they've done wonders with our Iowa wrestlers at the World and Olympic level? Or are you saying that because they are World and Olympic medalists themselves they deserve to coach Iowa? Because I would contend they haven't done that much with Iowa wrestlers at the World and Olympic level and that personal wrestling accomplishments by them are incredible, but in no way does that mean they should be coaches at Iowa forever.
I don't try to explain things to confused people.
Our program is not suffering with them as coaches. Not suffering at all.
Nah, they aren't above being let go if they don't deliver. I bet the Brands would say the same thing. Nobody should get a pass or guaranteed job until they wish to leave. Not at that job anyways.
When they feel they are no longer delivering they will step away. As of now that is not an issue.
I guess we all have our different opinions on success and the word suffer.
You can't just plug in new people and create a dynasty, they don't happen very often. After Gable left Iowa won 6 titles, Oklahoma State won 4, Minnesota 3 until Sanderson took PSU on their current run. If you add in Big Ten titles, Big Ten individual winners, and placing since then you can make the case they are the most successful team from post Gable to now.
In order to recruit better they need to show they can win. Chicken or egg, who the f knows. Currently we don’t have either. We had a pretty nice chicken last year. But Iowa can’t have nice things so we tore his knees out for the third time and decided that this year we were gonna focus on sports cars.
Spot on, you can see PSU wrestlers actually change their game plans match to match with opponents. I think their strategizing is on a whole other level.
I do think it's a big part of their bond and comraderie. All you have to do is listen to their interviews.
I might be in the minority but I think their wrestlers have the talent to go another level. It's the level of recruit that is the problem.
True statement here. Over the years far more team points have came from 157 and up.
They offer a solid foundation in spirituality. A belief system if you will.
While i agree with your post that the new facility will be a nice recruiting tool, I will wait and see what Arnold and Ferrari do at the next level... And, what do you mean by an uptick in the HWC? How does that uptick occur and define what or how an uptick occurs. Currently the HWC does not have a single member on the US National Team What happens with HWC is up to Tom and the staff (including Daniel Dennis). Will they get viable senior level guys to train there (and in turn work with Iowa wrestlers), or will HWC continue to be a place for recently graduated Iowa wrestlers to stay in town and get paid to workout with the current college wrestlers?
Don't think it really matters whether the coaching staff is 100% Hawks or any other program. What matters is whether they bring the skills necessary to improve/win in today's wrestling 'environment'. But I agree in this case that some shake-up might not hurt, though even that depends on finding a willing/better alternative. Not always as easy as it sounds.
Cael is better than the brands.
