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I kinda cringe every time I see Mark Stoops name brought up because I'd hate to see him leave Kentucky. The job he has done at UK has been nothing short of amazing. Disregard his overall record. When he took over it was a big debate over who was worse Kentucky or Vanderbilt. UK couldn't even attract mediocre athletes within their own state. They were consistently out recruited by Louisville, Cincy, and just about anyone else that wanted the same student athlete. Coach Stoops is a fierce competitor and his teams have continued to improve. No longer does UK hope to win an SEC game but they now fully expect to beat everyone. They have become the team you really don't want to play. Please do not use the past bowl games as a measuring stick. Those teams were not the same teams that played all season. UK now attracts 4 and some 5 star athletes. They are now competing with Ohio State, and ND who use to cherry pick from the Louisville and Lexington area. Are they top tier? Absolutely not but they sure put a fun competitive product on the field. As a side note he stole the QB from NC state from the portal that just about everybody was after. To be honest I think he ticks all the right boxes to be your man but I'm not sure if you could steal him. I could be wrong. I do know UK has given him everything he has asked for and the facilities are excellent...now.
Agree with your thoughts on Mark. I just don't see Mark coming to Iowa if it was offered, at best a lateral move for him now that he's built that program up to where it is. I would like to see Mark as the HC at Iowa, but I don't think it will happen at this point considering his current success at UK and where he's at in his career trajectory.
 
I don't know it's an interesting question. I could see advantages and disadvantages. He played at Iowa. could we argue that the big 10 would be easier??? Especially with OK and Texas moving to the SEC? Has UK gotten as good as it will get? does Iowa have a higher ceiling in the Big 10? Lot's of questions. would be fun to entertain.
 
So 130th/131 offensively is acceptable in some circles?
Must be a paralell universe.
No it’s not. But you also can’t recognize the Ws have been pretty good. That’s the ultimate stat. At least it used to be when I was in school. Last years offense was offensive. But some will give another season with Cade and more experience to see if we get significant improvement. Call us Charlie Browns but this season will tell.

Maybe without the lawsuit distraction focus can improve also.
 
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I think a lot of our fans dismay stems from the "what if" paradigm. What if Iowa could field even just an average level of offensive production? Many believe if we can attain that and continue to maintain an elite level on the defensive side of the ball, then more success will follow.

In particular, there is frustration with the recent level of play on our OL. KF is viewed as an OL guru/specialist, if that's the case, why for the last few years has the OL play been so mediocre? I think that's the heart of the matter for many (and the nepotism involved).
We likely will never hang in that first tier with Bama and Georgia and Ohio State but we should have some decent shots at being in the second tier of teams. An average offense with the defense we have had would definitely put us solidly in second tier standing behind the biggest of the bigs.
 
Yeah, the sarcasm was recognized.

It still doesn't help your case.
In Theological circles, there is what is known as Apologetics.
Of late (especially this thread) there have been a lot of attempts along those lines from the Ferentzi Nation to uphold King Kirk's program. and minimize he & Junior's epic failings.
This is especially painful to read considering we may have the best DC in the country and an excellent ST Coordinator. As one poster said "What Might Have Been" with ANY halfway decent offense.
Until The Captain modernizes his offensive Offensive scheme, we won't get the job done with any consistency against top flight teams.
 
Agree with your thoughts on Mark. I just don't see Mark coming to Iowa if it was offered, at best a lateral move for him now that he's built that program up to where it is. I would like to see Mark as the HC at Iowa, but I don't think it will happen at this point considering his current success at UK and where he's at in his career trajectory.
According to Bobby about 16 months ago, Mark would definitely leave for Iowa.

Of course, that might not be the case today.

He’ll almost certainly be on the short list when Kirk hangs it up. It’s hard argue Iowa isn’t a better job. It is by almost any measure. That said, none of those measures are by a lot. Maybe by the time Iowa opens up, that won’t be the case anymore?
 
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I agree I think Iowa is a great job. One of the things I like about Mark Stoops is the attitude he has instilled in Kentucky. They no longer accept moral victories. they are genuinely mad when they lose. Even to UGA and the like. They don't feel like they should move over for anyone. As I said previously, they are not a top tier program but they don't believe it. It wasn't that long ago that Wisconsin looked to be a program to hang with the big dogs. Not really sure what happened? I'd love to see Iowa fill that spot and maintain it. I also said I'd hate to see Stoops leave UK but I think you'd love him. And by the way he did fire his OC after one season because he didn't produce. just saying LOL
 
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In Theological circles, there is what is known as Apologetics.
Of late (especially this thread) there have been a lot of attempts along those lines from the Ferentzi Nation to uphold King Kirk's program. and minimize he & Junior's epic failings.
This is especially painful to read considering we may have the best DC in the country and an excellent ST Coordinator. As one poster said "What Might Have Been" with ANY halfway decent offense.
Until The Captain modernizes his offensive Offensive scheme, we won't get the job done with any consistency against top flight teams.
LMAO just because you know what apologetics is doesn't mean it applies or that you're using it correctly.

All you're doing is making yourself look even more silly.
 
LMAO just because you know what apologetics is doesn't mean it applies or that you're using it correctly.

All you're doing is making yourself look even more silly.

Apologetics is defined as the religious discipline of defending religious doctrines through systematic argumentation and discourse, but I'm sure you know that.

THIS particular thread contained much indepth commentary by the author and other contributors with the intention of showing how King Kirk "ain't so bad and we should be grateful". One commentator pointed out the truth statement that we could have been much better if we had any functional Offense at all.

With that said, Apologetics most definitely is being used by the Ferentzi Faithful True Believers. The above definition, for their purposes, can be rephrased as "Apologetics is defined as the secular discipline of defending a boring, woefully ineffective, painful to watch, antiquated Offense through systematic argumentation and discourse.".

King Kirk should retire and take Junior with him. The King's Offense is the root of all evil.
 
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I recall an article where the coaches were quoted, but only under the grounds of complete anonymity. The gist of the quotes coming from other coaches was that Iowa was a real gem of a job, because as a coach you were allowed a bad year once in awhile since the expectations of the fan base were not so unrealistically high.

I think the “job security” factor of the Iowa head coaching job is very much envied by almost every other D1 & P5 coach that was interviewed. I think we could easily attract a successful up and coming coach. Probably not a coach who has already made their mark and are highly paid already, with a high profile job, but immediately underneath that tier, the Iowa job would get a LOT of interest and applicants.

Personally, I want the guy, Kleiman, (sp?) who was at North Dakota State who is at K State now. Success at a high level everywhere he has been. Yes, I would be willing to pay the steep buy-out clause in his current contract. It would be worth every penny.
 
I recall an article where the coaches were quoted, but only under the grounds of complete anonymity. The gist of the quotes coming from other coaches was that Iowa was a real gem of a job, because as a coach you were allowed a bad year once in awhile since the expectations of the fan base were not so unrealistically high.

I think the “job security” factor of the Iowa head coaching job is very much envied by almost every other D1 & P5 coach that was interviewed. I think we could easily attract a successful up and coming coach. Probably not a coach who has already made their mark and are highly paid already, with a high profile job, but immediately underneath that tier, the Iowa job would get a LOT of interest and applicants.

Personally, I want the guy, Kleiman, (sp?) who was at North Dakota State who is at K State now. Success at a high level everywhere he has been. Yes, I would be willing to pay the steep buy-out clause in his current contract. It would be worth every penny.
Well you ain't gonna have to worry about anything for about 5 years.
 
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It is always interesting to me how KF can be so disliked by some on this board even though he is so highly respected by coaches at all levels around the country. I value the opinion of those coaches. They know what they are talking about.
Sorry. Some fans want a Big 10 Championship out right which hasnt happened under Kirk and a shared title 18 years ago. If it is negative to want to make the next step, so be it. The other elephant in the room is a very soft non conference schedule and playing in the pathetic Big 10 west. Kirks record in his 5 biggest games is 1 and 4. 1 and 1 in the Orange Bowl, 0 and 2 in Big 10 Championship games and a topic every one here never talks talks about, the giant ass kicking in the Rose Bowl, 35 0 at the half. I remember it well, I was there. I think Kirk is a good guy, a good coach, and does things the right way except for Tommy Boy. I would be happy to debate anything Ive written. I do think Iowa will win 9 to10 games this year. Cade along with a soft schedule len
ds to good things this year They need to beat ISU and Im not conceding the PSU game.
 
Sorry. Some fans want a Big 10 Championship out right which hasnt happened under Kirk and a shared title 18 years ago. If it is negative to want to make the next step, so be it. The other elephant in the room is a very soft non conference schedule and playing in the pathetic Big 10 west. Kirks record in his 5 biggest games is 1 and 4. 1 and 1 in the Orange Bowl, 0 and 2 in Big 10 Championship games and a topic every one here never talks talks about, the giant ass kicking in the Rose Bowl, 35 0 at the half. I remember it well, I was there. I think Kirk is a good guy, a good coach, and does things the right way except for Tommy Boy. I would be happy to debate anything Ive written. I do think Iowa will win 9 to10 games this year. Cade along with a soft schedule len
ds to good things this year They need to beat ISU and Im not conceding the PSU game.
It's funny how relative things are. We are currently in our longest drought for a B10 title since the dark ages from 1961-1980.

Quite literally, we have one more year left to win a title before we reach that milestone (2005-2023).

Let us as a collective fanbase not make excuses for such a stretch of mediocrity @pistachio1999

And I don't give a single solitary FU** anymore how much the game has changed either....how bout that. :D
 
It's funny how relative things are. We are currently in our longest drought for a B10 title since the dark ages from 1961-1980.

Quite literally, we have one more year left to win a title before we reach that milestone (2005-2023).

Let us as a collective fanbase not make excuses for such a stretch of mediocrity @pistachio1999

And I don't give a single solitary FU** anymore how much the game has changed either....how bout that. :D
What was the record from 1961 - 1980 vs the record from 2005-2023? You can't seriously being comparing these two stretches as similar?
 
Do we allow Iowa State fans to make that argument about 2020?........................just sayin. ;)
If comparing Campbell’s accomplishments to Walden’s, yes, I would;)

For example, you would say, Walden and Campbell have the same number of Conference Titles!!!

You’d be correct, and it would be a disingenuous comparison.
 
It's the "You know what you'll get from Iowa" is the problem. We've been hearing this for twenty years and it's absolutely true. Our fans know it, opposing fans know it, and more importantly, opposing coaches know it. And what you'll get from Iowa is the most boring offense in the country. And if out opponents have some real talent on defense, they will be able to stop us dead. I'm not asking for some razzle dazzle offense. I would just like to be surprised occasionally, and in turn, shock the opposing Defensive Coordinators. As it is now, we all know what the opposing defense will do. They all load the box against us and we lose the edge and have to defeat them. It would be comical if it were some other team and not the one I've been emotionally invested in for decades. Gawd what I wouldn't give for those early years with Hayden again with his bag of tricks.
 
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I have followed this Iowa site for a while now and have noticed a consistent trend. Iowa fans way underestimate how your program is viewed outside your borders. I see a lot of posts talking about how Iowa can't compete with the big dogs i.e. Ohio State, Michigan etc. as well as SEC schools. Iowa can't attracted 4 and 5 star athletes etc. etc. As a recently retired high school coach that was fortunate to be a part of several state championships as well as coached a number of D1 and a few NFL athletes I think you seriously underestimate the image of Iowa football. 1. I have known some Big 10 coaches and they generally say the same thing. 1. Iowa is the best coached team in the Big 10. 2. You know exactly what your going to get and still struggle to beat them. 3. It will always be a physical game and expect to be beat up. 4. Great atmosphere! This is my first post so I'll leave it at that and look forward to friendly discussions.
You interested in a HC or OC position?
 
Sorry. Some fans want a Big 10 Championship out right which hasnt happened under Kirk and a shared title 18 years ago. If it is negative to want to make the next step, so be it. The other elephant in the room is a very soft non conference schedule and playing in the pathetic Big 10 west. Kirks record in his 5 biggest games is 1 and 4. 1 and 1 in the Orange Bowl, 0 and 2 in Big 10 Championship games and a topic every one here never talks talks about, the giant ass kicking in the Rose Bowl, 35 0 at the half. I remember it well, I was there. I think Kirk is a good guy, a good coach, and does things the right way except for Tommy Boy. I would be happy to debate anything Ive written. I do think Iowa will win 9 to10 games this year. Cade along with a soft schedule len
ds to good things this year They need to beat ISU and Im not conceding the PSU game.
All I'm saying is Kirk is highly respected by other many other coaches not only for who he is but also for how he runs his program. Yes, an outright B1G title would be fantastic but when you are competing against the likes of OSU, Michigan, and Penn State it is much easier said than done. Those teams have built-in advantages we don't have and never will.
 
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It's the "You know what you'll get from Iowa" is the problem. We've been hearing this for twenty years and it's absolutely true. Our fans know it, opposing fans know it, and more importantly, opposing coaches know it. And what you'll get from Iowa is the most boring offense in the country. And if out opponents have some real talent on defense, they will be able to stop us dead. I'm not asking for some razzle dazzle offense. I would just like to be surprised occasionally, and in turn, shock the opposing Defensive Coordinators. As it is now, we all know what the opposing defense will do. They all load the box against us and we lose the edge and have to defeat them. It would be comical if it were some other team and not the one I've been emotionally invested in for decades. Gawd what I wouldn't give for those early years with Hayden again with his bag of tricks.
They say the exact same thing about our defense. It’s basic. And they are disciplined. People seem to think our D is somehow exotic. It’s not.
 
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Sorry. Some fans want a Big 10 Championship out right which hasnt happened under Kirk and a shared title 18 years ago. If it is negative to want to make the next step, so be it. The other elephant in the room is a very soft non conference schedule and playing in the pathetic Big 10 west. Kirks record in his 5 biggest games is 1 and 4. 1 and 1 in the Orange Bowl, 0 and 2 in Big 10 Championship games and a topic every one here never talks talks about, the giant ass kicking in the Rose Bowl, 35 0 at the half. I remember it well, I was there. I think Kirk is a good guy, a good coach, and does things the right way except for Tommy Boy. I would be happy to debate anything Ive written. I do think Iowa will win 9 to10 games this year. Cade along with a soft schedule len
ds to good things this year They need to beat ISU and Im not conceding the PSU game.
By the way, I could give a shit what the other coaches think. The bottom line is showing up in the big games and winning the Big 10 more than Ive already stated.
All I'm saying is Kirk is highly respected by other many other coaches not only for who he is but also for how he runs his program. Yes, an outright B1G title would be fantastic but when you are competing against the likes of OSU, Michigan, and Penn State it is much easier said than done. Those teams have built-in advantages we don't have and never will.

All I'm saying is Kirk is highly respected by other many other coaches not only for who he is but also for how he runs his program. Yes, an outright B1G title would be fantastic but when you are competing against the likes of OSU, Michigan, and Penn State it is much easier said than done. Those teams have built-in advantages we don't have and never will.
I have stated Kirk is a good guy, a good coach and loved by his players. He also runs a clean program. I just get tired of the guys who blow smoke out their ass. They dont look at the whole body of work and their dumbest thing is twisting shit around trying to say the west is fairly even with east. 0 and 9 ok.
That, and at least one year in that stretch would have been a B1G title during any other stretch in Iowa football history

Sorry. Some fans want a Big 10 Championship out right which hasnt happened under Kirk and a shared title 18 years ago. If it is negative to want to make the next step, so be it. The other elephant in the room is a very soft non conference schedule and playing in the pathetic Big 10 west. Kirks record in his 5 biggest games is 1 and 4. 1 and 1 in the Orange Bowl, 0 and 2 in Big 10 Championship games and a topic every one here never talks talks about, the giant ass kicking in the Rose Bowl, 35 0 at the half. I remember it well, I was there. I think Kirk is a good guy, a good coach, and does things the right way except for Tommy Boy. I would be happy to debate anything Ive written. I do think Iowa will win 9 to10 games this year. Cade along with a soft schedule len
ds to good things this year They need to beat ISU and Im not conceding the PSU game.
Hey Frosty whats the ha ha funny icon about. I want debate.
Great first post!
If their the best coached team in the Big 10, then their the shittiest recruiting team in the Big 10. Which part of never winning a Big 10 title and only sharing a title 19 years ago cant you get through your thick skull. Stick to high school football.
Is there an Iowa coach they really really really like? I swear I think some hate them all. Unless you are winning the conference every year and pulling in nattys they want them fired!
Not winning a Big 10 title every year idiot. Just more than a Areshared title every 19 years and counting. You are every thing thats moronic about Iowa football. Then you throw in about Iowa fans expecting Nattys. Get off the board, your embarrassing yourself.
That, and at least one year in that stretch would have been a B1G title during any other stretch in Iowa football history. 2015.
 
By the way, I could give a shit what the other coaches think. The bottom line is showing up in the big games and winning the Big 10 more than Ive already stated.



I have stated Kirk is a good guy, a good coach and loved by his players. He also runs a clean program. I just get tired of the guys who blow smoke out their ass. They dont look at the whole body of work and their dumbest thing is twisting shit around trying to say the west is fairly even with east. 0 and 9 ok.



Hey Frosty whats the ha ha funny icon about. I want debate.

If their the best coached team in the Big 10, then their the shittiest recruiting team in the Big 10. Which part of never winning a Big 10 title and only sharing a title 19 years ago cant you get through your thick skull. Stick to high school football.

Not winning a Big 10 title every year idiot. Just more than a Areshared title every 19 years and counting. You are every thing thats moronic about Iowa football. Then you throw in about Iowa fans expecting Nattys. Get off the board, your embarrassing yourself.
It’s difficult to decipher which posts your replies are referring to.
 
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It’s difficult to decipher which posts your replies are referring to.
Doesn't matter. He just replied the same thing to every post. Something about one shared title in 19 years.

The shared title counts. Depending on how you weight each team's probability, 1 out of 19 probably isn't that far of pace. I doubt the bottom half of the league would even be expected to win 1 title as a whole in that time period.

I never understand why people say they don't give a crap what coaches say. Coaches are the experts in the field of football. Hmmm?
 
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I have followed this Iowa site for a while now and have noticed a consistent trend. Iowa fans way underestimate how your program is viewed outside your borders. I see a lot of posts talking about how Iowa can't compete with the big dogs i.e. Ohio State, Michigan etc. as well as SEC schools. Iowa can't attracted 4 and 5 star athletes etc. etc. As a recently retired high school coach that was fortunate to be a part of several state championships as well as coached a number of D1 and a few NFL athletes I think you seriously underestimate the image of Iowa football. 1. I have known some Big 10 coaches and they generally say the same thing. 1. Iowa is the best coached team in the Big 10. 2. You know exactly what your going to get and still struggle to beat them. 3. It will always be a physical game and expect to be beat up. 4. Great atmosphere! This is my first post so I'll leave it at that and look forward to friendly discussions.
I used to live in Dallas and went to Texas Stadium when the Boys won 3 Super Bowls in 4 rears. You bringing up all you did and every one you know reminds me of Troy Aikmans wife when she got picked up for drunk driving and pulled out the do you know who I am card. It didnt mean shit, she went to jail and Troy eventually divorced her ass. She new every one in the Cowboy organization and it meant nothing.
I obviously do not have the luxury of watching Iowa play every week so I do not pretend to be an authority on Iowa football. What I can state is that from my perspective and a lot of coaches I have met from the big 10 and elsewhere is that Iowa is a very fundamental and well coached program year after year. I also agree that this year the offense was pretty hard to watch. Iowa defense does a great job of shrinking the field, preventing big plays and works well with a ball control offense. I also stated that if Iowa wanted to change their offense significantly it would require a different mind set across the board. It takes a very different thought process to feel confident throwing the ball inside your own 30 when you are used to playing safe and using field position as part of the game plan.

I would really like to hear from devoted Iowa fans on my comment regarding the next coach and believing that Iowa could be a destination job for a highly regarded, established coach or am I correct in assuming even devoted Iowa fans think it is not and will be lucky to grab an OC or DC or mid major coach? look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Hire Brian Hartline Ohio State Offensive Coordinator. Until this year he was coach of the Buckeyes passing game. Have you ever seen OSUs QBs and wide receivers and
 
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budweb I was simply trying to put some context to my post. Since this is a site primarily dedicated to Iowa football I wanted to share some perspective from outside your state. Additionally, since it was my first post I thought a little insight from where I was coming from might be beneficial. And you are correct in stating it means nothing. Have a good day
 
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