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Here We Go Again - winter storms #2 and #3 Wed-Fri 1/10 thru 1/12

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Yeah. We've already gotten Round 1 - now let's begin talking about Rounds 2 and 3.

On tap for tonight, the appetizer.

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Then beginning late Thursday on through to Friday night...


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QC NWS 1/10 AM narrative

Tonight...

Conceptually this lines up with a quick-hitting period of snow
that would have at least potential to briefly be heavy intensity,
especially where the 700 mb thermal gradient is tightest
(indicator of frontogenesis) and where the omega in the
dendritic growth zone is most pronounced. The 00Z HREF
indicates 20-30 percent of its members with one inch per hour
rates, albeit quickly moving, and mainly in the far northwest
forecast area. Incoming RAP runs have trended farther south,
however, with some of the heavier QPF placement. Also, cannot
rule out some brief loss of ice mainly south of U.S. Highway 34
in the CWA, although uncertain if it would still be
precipitating for any brief freezing drizzle late this evening
and early overnight.

Have forecast snow totals of 1-2 inches, isolated higher,
for mainly along/north of the general I-80 corridor. With the
likelihood of some temporary heavier rates and occurring after
dark, some slowed travel due to some snow covered roads and
visibility reductions is probable, but look to be brief enough
in duration and low enough in magnitude to as not warrant an
Advisory at this time.

Thursday night-Friday...

Another strong storm system will move into the area Friday as an
H5 wave swings negative across the area. WAA snow band will
form first to our south and into the area through 12z Friday.
This looks to reach up to the highway 30 corridor Friday am and
bring with it 3 to 5 inches of snow right before daybreak. This
will likely mean any commuters on I80 Friday will have a tough
go of it in the AM. The surface low will move to the NE into IL
and the wraparound/trowal will move across our eastern portions
of the CWA. This puts the heaviest snowfall axis from Memphis,
MO to near Rockford, IL.

As far as uncertainties, this is a much stronger wave then the
last one. There are questions about how far the warm sector is
pulled north. The 03z RAP was much further north with lows and
same with the NAM. This happened in the last event, however did
not completely play out. WPC has noted a shift to the NW as we
get closer to an event in the guidance this winter, so that has
me a little concerned. If this occurred, we would still get
snow, and a lot in some areas, but the heavy snow axis may

actually be further west between the QCA and IC again. Friday,
looks like a poor day for travel again and with temps below
freezing, snow removal will not be as good as the last system
with temps above freezing.

As far as amounts go, we have the potential to see double digits
again in the heavy snow axis. Unlike the last event, the spatial
coverage of heavy snow will be smaller - small shifts in the track
could greatly change how much snow people get. Current forecast
has areawide seeing 4 to 7 and in the heavy band, 8 to 10. WPC
is actually a little higher in the band having 8-13, and the GFS
has 12-16 or so. The ENS has 5-8 in the heavy band and the GEFS

has 10-14. So some spread there for sure. This is likely due to
the strength of the low and question about whether or not we see
some rain with a stronger warm sector push.
 
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I'd say there's a good chance I have another off day from school Friday. You take that the road crews are still out there today trying to clean up yesterday's mess, add in tonight's dusting - then throw Thursday's overnight initial round in - then, yeah - I'd say schools off today are already lining up conference calls to talk to one another about Friday.


Quite the week we potentially could be having...
 
Hang in there, Iowa. It will be Spring before you know it. Until then, put on a pair of thick socks and get that fireplace roaring.
 
We certainly don’t need that moisture to be snow however! 12” of snow = 1” of rain...and last month, Central Iowa was running 13” low on ground moisture...that’s about 150” of snow! No thanks! Give me a lot of rain!
Don’t even talk about 150” of snow….I would be looking to move immediately.
 
When was the last week in Iowa that had 16-25 inches of snow? Not in my life time.
Probably been awhile, in February 2011 I opened my garage door to a drift taller then me. Took an hour to get the car out to get to work that morning. Back in the 90's we'd get heavy snow pretty often. It's less these days.

It's just part of living in Iowa. Make sure you have gas for the snow blower and plenty of snacks in the house and there's nothing to worry about.
 
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Probably been awhile, in February 2011 I opened my garage door to a drift taller then me. Took an hour to get the car out to get to work that morning. Back in the 90's we'd get heavy snow pretty often. It's less these days.

It's just part of living in Iowa. Make sure you have gas for the snow blower and plenty of snacks in the house and there's nothing to worry about.

I'm a big time weather nerd, but for whatever reason I don't remember anything from 2011's winter at all. Granted, my life was much different then versus now...my current job, I have to pay much more attention to anything that affects driving.

Hell, I didn't even own a snowblower until 2014-2015's winter and those were the two trainwreck basket case Ariens I inherited from my dad. Those two were where I self-taught myself how to repair old blowers.

But back then, I was still a shoveling fool...
 
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That sounds about right, our school is hosting a show choir event on Saturday and it's the third time in five years with a massive snowstorm on the Friday before.
 
I'm a big time weather nerd, but for whatever reason I don't remember anything from 2011's winter at all. Granted, my life was much different then versus now...my current job, I have to pay much more attention to anything that affects driving.

Hell, I didn't even own a snowblower until 2014-2015's winter and those were the two trainwreck basket case Ariens I inherited from my dad. Those two were where I self-taught myself how to repair old blowers.

But back then, I was still a shoveling fool...
I'm pretty sure it was ground hogs day in 2011. Only two of us made it in the office, and the other person was the owner of the company. I found a 50 foot telephone cord to run the reception phone back to my desk and ran the ship at work for a few hours before anyone else could make it in. It was a bad one.
 
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Yeah. We've already gotten Round 1 - now let's begin talking about Rounds 2 and 3.

On tap for tonight, the appetizer.

Tab2FileL.png



Then beginning late Thursday on through to Friday night...


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QC NWS 1/10 AM narrative

Tonight...

Conceptually this lines up with a quick-hitting period of snow
that would have at least potential to briefly be heavy intensity,
especially where the 700 mb thermal gradient is tightest
(indicator of frontogenesis) and where the omega in the
dendritic growth zone is most pronounced. The 00Z HREF
indicates 20-30 percent of its members with one inch per hour
rates, albeit quickly moving, and mainly in the far northwest
forecast area. Incoming RAP runs have trended farther south,
however, with some of the heavier QPF placement. Also, cannot
rule out some brief loss of ice mainly south of U.S. Highway 34
in the CWA, although uncertain if it would still be
precipitating for any brief freezing drizzle late this evening
and early overnight.

Have forecast snow totals of 1-2 inches, isolated higher,
for mainly along/north of the general I-80 corridor. With the
likelihood of some temporary heavier rates and occurring after
dark, some slowed travel due to some snow covered roads and
visibility reductions is probable, but look to be brief enough
in duration and low enough in magnitude to as not warrant an
Advisory at this time.

Thursday night-Friday...

Another strong storm system will move into the area Friday as an
H5 wave swings negative across the area. WAA snow band will
form first to our south and into the area through 12z Friday.
This looks to reach up to the highway 30 corridor Friday am and
bring with it 3 to 5 inches of snow right before daybreak. This
will likely mean any commuters on I80 Friday will have a tough
go of it in the AM. The surface low will move to the NE into IL
and the wraparound/trowal will move across our eastern portions
of the CWA. This puts the heaviest snowfall axis from Memphis,
MO to near Rockford, IL.

As far as uncertainties, this is a much stronger wave then the
last one. There are questions about how far the warm sector is
pulled north. The 03z RAP was much further north with lows and
same with the NAM. This happened in the last event, however did
not completely play out. WPC has noted a shift to the NW as we
get closer to an event in the guidance this winter, so that has
me a little concerned. If this occurred, we would still get
snow, and a lot in some areas, but the heavy snow axis may

actually be further west between the QCA and IC again. Friday,
looks like a poor day for travel again and with temps below
freezing, snow removal will not be as good as the last system
with temps above freezing.

As far as amounts go, we have the potential to see double digits
again in the heavy snow axis. Unlike the last event, the spatial
coverage of heavy snow will be smaller - small shifts in the track
could greatly change how much snow people get. Current forecast
has areawide seeing 4 to 7 and in the heavy band, 8 to 10. WPC
is actually a little higher in the band having 8-13, and the GFS
has 12-16 or so. The ENS has 5-8 in the heavy band and the GEFS

has 10-14. So some spread there for sure. This is likely due to
the strength of the low and question about whether or not we see
some rain with a stronger warm sector push.

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As I was typing I got called back into work. Anyway regardless of the suck factor, which is quite high, we desperately need the moisture.
These 2 storms are first off a season maker for snow removal companies, secondly, our area desperately needed every bit of moisture we have gotten the last 3-4 weeks, and other than a snow storm right after the big rains earlier, this is about as good of an outcome as could be expected. You locked in the moisture, you have a massive blanket of heavy wet snow and more snow on the way that will fill in a lot of empty and low ponds. some of the moisture will make it into the ground, but I think the ground moisture deeper in the ground is really depleted. We still need a wet spring, to give us the chance to survive a dry hot summer again.
 
It stormed like a sumbitch in central FL yesterday; looked & felt like a tropical storm all day. On the bright side, the "snow" here comes in a form that does not require shoveling.
 
These 2 storms are first off a season maker for snow removal companies, secondly, our area desperately needed every bit of moisture we have gotten the last 3-4 weeks, and other than a snow storm right after the big rains earlier, this is about as good of an outcome as could be expected. You locked in the moisture, you have a massive blanket of heavy wet snow and more snow on the way that will fill in a lot of empty and low ponds. some of the moisture will make it into the ground, but I think the ground moisture deeper in the ground is really depleted. We still need a wet spring, to give us the chance to survive a dry hot summer again.
It honestly really depends on your contracts. If you are on a per time/per inch basis, it was a great event financially. We do have incremental pricing for some of our contracts which helps. However, money aside, the moisture is paramount in the bigger picture. I can assure you, however, thar working 18 hrs in a 24 hour span sucks massive peen.
 
I'd say there's a good chance I have another off day from school Friday. You take that the road crews are still out there today trying to clean up yesterday's mess, add in tonight's dusting - then throw Thursday's overnight initial round in - then, yeah - I'd say schools off today are already lining up conference calls to talk to one another about Friday.


Quite the week we potentially could be having...
Carver is going to be an absolute morgue for the Nebraska game Friday night. :(
 
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