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And every single one of them are ridiculous?….. I find that difficult to believe. Some have solid ideas. There is some annoyance but that is pretty much the internet.
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I'm not going to say coaching is to blame but the program needs to look into their strength and conditioning program. Any year you have injuries like this you meed to evaluate everything regardless of the sport. That said S&C needs to be evaluated beyond the injuries. We have guys with weak grips. Guy's who get outmuscled. Guys that seem to lack the strength to finish. Guys that gas in the 3rd. Guys with slow motors. Something doesn't seem right in the training room beyond the injuries. I could go on about guys like Desanto, KY and Asad failing to adjust and evolve. Desanto with just RBY but KY and Asad a number of issues.
The simp fans are out in full force I see.
3,742 worthless posts and counting for ya… gotta be a HR record, right?
and Warner keeps the streak going! Boom! 33 years on a row with a finalist!
Lol. Well then who is to blame? In the NFL or any other league, they blame and fire coaches for poor performance…ours just got contract extensions (luckily before this implode, for them). I can 100% guarantee the brands put a lot of the blame on themselves. Is it a combo of injuries and poor management? Absolutely, but let’s not be dense and act like the coaches aren’t at fault to some degree. What degree? I don’t know but the trend is obvious and minus a blip on the radar, we’ve been getting out coached and out recruited by psu for a while now. I hate psu as much as the next but I’m not naive. Bury your heads if you’d like but the facts are the facts.
PSU finished 4th at Big’s in 2020 fighting it out with Purdue. Iowa won Big’s in 2020 and NCAA’s in 2021. All programs go through recruiting cycles. This current Hawkeye group has been tremendous in so many ways, on and off the mat.
PSU could care less if they win the B1G. I'm not saying it's meaningless but it's not the goal. That's not an arrogant statement, it's a fact and Cael has said as much. Cael understands that you don't want to peak 2 weeks prior to the big prize. That's how you win 9 of the last 11 NCs (counting my chickens).
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I'm no S&C expert in regards to wrestling but Sanderson's record in the semifinals with his wrestlers since 2011 is 45-5. So they're either better on average than their opponents naturally , healthier, or both.
You guys weren’t winning NCAA’s in 2020 (not even debatable) and you didn’t win in 2021…you didn’t have the recruits. But this year you got Dean, Kerk, Hilde, Berge to get out of your rut.
Amazing you needed that considering all the top p4p recruits PSU has been able to afford. So I’m not too sure PSU is doing anything special other than stacking the odds with a well funded recruiting campaign.
Well they are winning , it'll be 9 in what ? 12 years. I'm guessing they're doing a little better on the training / recovery stuff and at this level evety little thing matters.
But maybe it just comes down to better talent? Who knows ?
If you go through PSU’s top p4p recruits results there are a lot that fizzle out. You brought in a returning AA at 125 who earned half a point just shows it’s a “deep-pockets-odds-game” being played at PSU and not so much Carl having some magic plan other than go to Treigning Lab and don’t tell him about it.
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Oh, I'm sure they care. But every Coach in the country says the last tournament is the goal. To that I would say........duh.
It's always been the Jimmie's and Joe's and always will be. Coaching does matter, but Cael nor Brands are winning national titles with Purdue's roster. Not happening.
I agree, maybe there's some way Iowa can improve training wise, but that's not my expertise .
I'm not in the camp that thinks Iowa needs some major revamp if their training methods. I'm in the shit happens camp. Now if it comes out that all these kids are required to strap on a belt pulling a Greyhound full of people from Iowa City to Des Moines then I'll rethink my position, but until then not so much.
I assure you none of these Iowa Wrestler's are training like Tom and Terry Brands did, and they were healthy for most or all of their Iowa career's IIRC. There was a smaller group that made it thru with practice and Pabst Blue Ribbon, but they still won.
These are fair-weather fans that don't follow much through the year, but show up here with cheap criticism when things slide downhill. Maybe they're fans of the Hawks, but not so much fans of Hawkeye wrestling. The only "rule" here is to care bit more and know a bit more, if you're going to badmouth the team or the coaches on the posts.
You were saying? We’re done for the foreseeable future as far as titles go. That’s a damn shame. And my comments on the contract extension stand more true than ever before. Penn state looked stronger than everyone of our wrestlers by a long shot. We got shit on. Period.
Penn State looked stronger than an Olympic Bronze Medalist, a World Silver Medalist, a junior world champ/defending NCAA champ and everyone else they faced in the semis and finals. What’s your point? End the contracts of all the coaches from MI, Ok St, Iowa, and Va Tech?
Why didn’t we look stronger? And why haven’t we looked stronger against the same competition? We won a title. Yay! One. That’ll be it for a while. It sucks. We had zero champs, didn’t sniff a team title and we won’t next year either. Spencer, and that’s it. Is that good enough for you? It sounds like it but hey…expectations and all.
2015 sucked too. Four guys didn't make it out of the first round to include two seeded guys in Jebba (5) and Bobby(4), Sorensen (4) lost in the second rd.
When Looking at the PSU team championship picture did you notice there was ONLY TWO ( Bartlett and STALLROCCI ) kids from Pennsylvania in their lineup ? for all the Hype given to PA HS wrestlers and Bartlett didnt do anything at Nationals......it just shows with $$$$$ comes Blue Chip recruits from all over the Country and Now with NIL Money the holes that happen in their lineup are actually filled by other schools talented recruits...... Hilde- CMU .... RBY - ARZ... Lee -IND... Bartlett - PA.....Berge- SDSU......Stallrocci- PA.......Brookes -MD....... Dean - Cornell........ Kerk- Minn/OSU.... What Tactics we all complained about with kids being paid exorbitant amounts of CASH for working camps and clinics has now been legalized from grey money to NIL money and PSU has been mastering this technique for a decade now. they play the system and now its legal.... just like stalling on the outer circle line...its how the refs wanna call the match so PSU takes advantage of the rules...they adapt and they win titles...is it what we wanna see as Iowa Fans??? not exactly but it seems very effective under todays current rules So there lies the issue...just like the exposure danger points were put in place to avoid all shots ending up in the FUNK and a neutral stalemate call . .... if the rules dont change...then our style of wrestling probably should
The Pa. kid and Pennsylvania is the best wrestling state has a bit to do with it even if all the top kids don't go to PSU. It's still a hot bed of wrestling and has that draw to the top level kids due to Sanderson. He saw the potential for a dynasty at PSU due to location, facilities and local talent. And he realized if they upped their profile any top level recruit would look at them.
Similar things happened in NCAA football. Now it's the SEC teams. Outside of OSU and Clemson which is ACC, but still Southern, it's all ACC, primarily Bama. It's easier to put together a dynasty at an OSU, Iowa, and now PSU than a college football team. But it's a similar blueprint.
Great coach, best athletes, and a great location. Early on Oklahoma was the ticket, then Iowa, now PSU. It might change and probably will down the road, but who knows?
I read they also won their last 11 finals matches and something like 21/24 going back a little farther. Say what you want but he's getting them ready to win at the highest level.
Yep. Yep. Lol at least now you’re not talking to yourself.
It's got to be exhausting spewing the same old talking points year after year.
No but I did think it was funny how Nick Lee was asked what’s in the Penn State secret sauce. Everyone in the wrestling world is looking at PSU with a raised eyebrow these days.
And it will never get old talking about this groups years of dominance but you’ll never see that.
At the end of the day it’s all about performing under the bright lights which is just as much psychology as physical attributes. Here is a different stat for you. When favored in a semifinal by seed PSU wins 100% of the time the rest of the field is around 70%. When not favored in a semifinal by seed PSU wins 57% of the time the rest of the field around 27%. Both times PSU is 30% better than the mean. Iowa was at 87% and 33%. Warner lost because of a mental attribute with a horrible shot not because he was horsed around. Iowa is afraid to lose( listen to Desanto’s interview) PSU expects to win.
Overall Cael is 32-14 in the finals, basically 70%. That's his whole career record for finalists while at PSU.
And getting much better. They have won their last 11 finals. They are 32-2 since 2106 in semifinals. PSU is getting better not worse. They are not coming back to the field.
I wanna see Dan Gable versus the Russians now. All of the same age of course.
someone ask Gable if he’d like a shot at Putin?
someone ask Gable if he’d like a shot at Putin?
