Holy cow, this crew has no business officiating another Big Ten game the rest of the season
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I've never seen a ref so blatently ignore a player's timeout request, just terrible. Props to Gesell and Fran for not getting T'd up there, would be hard not to lose it when dealing with such incompetence.
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You got it right, OP and HawkeyeMike.
Up until today, I've been saying the officiating this year has been as good as I can remember, and I can remember Don Nelson (look him up
But today... This was back to the bad old days of incompetence beyond belief. The Big Ten Conference should be totally embarrassed by those three jerks today. They almost ruined what should have been a fabulous basketball game.
No need to go into details. The whole thing was borderline cheating. Well, let's do mention the straight out refusal to acknowledge Gesell's time out. That idiot was going to make the five second call, and NOTHING was going to stop him.
On the positive side, super job by Fran in maintaining composure despite the blatant misapplication of the rules of basketball. But if I were him, I'd be adding three more names to my list of never again on my court.
The words have not been invented to describe the outrage over this horrible, horrible demonstration of arrogant ignorance and bias.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
Up until today, I've been saying the officiating this year has been as good as I can remember, and I can remember Don Nelson (look him up
But today... This was back to the bad old days of incompetence beyond belief. The Big Ten Conference should be totally embarrassed by those three jerks today. They almost ruined what should have been a fabulous basketball game.No need to go into details. The whole thing was borderline cheating. Well, let's do mention the straight out refusal to acknowledge Gesell's time out. That idiot was going to make the five second call, and NOTHING was going to stop him.
On the positive side, super job by Fran in maintaining composure despite the blatant misapplication of the rules of basketball. But if I were him, I'd be adding three more names to my list of never again on my court.
The words have not been invented to describe the outrage over this horrible, horrible demonstration of arrogant ignorance and bias.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
after starting the count early. you think that was just mischance based on the rest of the way the game was officiated?
Didn't watch but feel real good listening that the Hawks just played through it.
Refs were so bad, Iowa State fans would have been correct in blaming officiating for losing this game.
I had the same sentiment that was posted earlier. I have though the reffing this year had been good. Until today, it had a feeling that Purdue was going to get all the calls from the start
The officiating at least didn't affect the outcome of the game. I agree with others that we've seen much better officiating overall in conference play which I have to think the rule changes this season has something to do with. Can't expect to get a well-officiated game every time out and we certainly didn't have that this time.
There was probably a 4 minute stretch where the calls were abysmal. The 5 second call being the end of it. What makes this team special is they are able to play through it.
Ye, replay clearly showed he knew Gesell was attempting to make the timeout call.
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It takes a lot of balls to call a team for not lining up for a free throw in time. I would need to warn a team multiple times before I would even think about making that call. It's not like Iowa was getting any sort of advantage.
The five second call was about as bad as it gets. I didn't think the officiating was bad in the first half, but the second half was awful, both ways.
So that what it was. They just said lane violation on TV.
I don't like complaining and blaming a loss on officiating but since Iowa won, I feel completely free to say the officials sucked today. Probably the worst called Iowa game I've seen this year by far. It had already gotten beyond extremely poor by the time they refused to allow Iowa to call timeout to avoid the 5 second call. That was just icing on the cake.
As others have noted, very proud of both Fran and the entire team to keep their composure despite these terribly incompetent officials.
As others have noted, very proud of both Fran and the entire team to keep their composure despite these terribly incompetent officials.
Bo Borowski's 5 second call on Clemmons inbound attempt was correctly called. The 5 second count starts when the ball is at the disposal of the thrower. The ball was at Clemmons feet and he intentionally did not attempt to pick up the ball for at least a three count. His count was clearly at 5 before Gesell or Clemmons attempted to call timeout. Avoiding picking up the ball will not delay the start of an inbounds 5 count.
The officials may have had some questionable calls, but that was not one of them.
The officials may have had some questionable calls, but that was not one of them.
Uthoff's first foul was horse crap. Woodbury's 4th foul, another BS call. It seemed like we got called for touching anyone driving to the basket, but Iowa never got the same on our end of the court.
The five second call was not that bad. Sapp clearly avoided picking the ball up. You don't get to let it sit there as long as you want. You may not like it but it was correct.
The refs will give you a couple seconds to get it under control but that was way too long
The refs will give you a couple seconds to get it under control but that was way too long
Gesell and Clemmons are both clearly requesting the timeout BEFORE the whistle was blown and hand raised to stop the clock. If coaches are no longer allowed to request timeouts, then officials had better be paying attention to players.
While starting the count before he picked up the ball was correct, MG definitely called timeout before the 5 second call, they showed the replay and the announcers agreed. Go back and watch it with sound. Maybe he blew the whistle before timeout as the replay didn't have sound.
Jok was getting held a lot off the ball. It was obvious to all but 3 people in CHA. Hopefully, this game was an aberration in terms of allowing freedom of movement and physical play, and not a reversion to the "letting them play" philosophy.
Clemmons had no idea where the ball was, so no, it was not correctly called
As a 30 year veteran high school basketball official, I respectfully disagree with your observation.
It appeared to me that Jok was being mugged most of the game and not once was the Purdue player called for a foul. Overall is was poorly officiated.
I'd like to know how or if the officials get reviewed. These refs need to sit out some basketball games for awhile.
The officials mechanics have nothing to do with the five seconds call. They usually come after the five. So if his hand raised he had already been at five. Hisarm only really matters on Clock stoppage
The only issue I would have is whether he warned Clemmons to pick the ball up before he started his count. If no warning then it was a bad call. You shouldn't just start counting without the inbounder knowing that you are counting. Not sure if he did or didn't do that. Really no excuse for Clemmons, he let that ball sit there way too long. By doing so he probably pissed off the official and rightly so. That may have had the official not pay as close attention to the timeout call. Don't blame the official for the call because that's a tough judgement between the 5 seconds and the timeout call. Overall I thought it was an ok officiated game. Nothing egregious except for the 4 minutes in the first half where Davis just decided to blatantly hold Jok.
Just curious.. What does 30 years of officiating experience have to do with an observation that a player couldn't find the ball!?
My issue was this. Purdue's game plan was very clearly to be as physical as possible with uthoff and jok. Davis and swanigan beat the hell out of those kids on both ends of the floor and it was ignored basically the whole game. We did dial up our defensive pressure and committed some silly fouls in the 2nd half but it wasn't enough to merit the disparity that was there the majority of the half. And when it looked like Iowa was about to blow the doors off Purdue and run away, that was when the really bad 5 minute stretch of officiating happened and it allowed Purdue back in the game.
It was the worst officiated game of the season no doubt about it but we played through it and got an absolutely huge win. Now it's on to college park on Thursday.
It was the worst officiated game of the season no doubt about it but we played through it and got an absolutely huge win. Now it's on to college park on Thursday.
By rule, this is not a delay of game warning situation. If the ball is at his feet and makes no attempt to look down at or pickup the ball, the count should start.
If this is the way the rule works then I agree, it was the correct call. You would think the announcer would know this.
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