Holy cow, this crew has no business officiating another Big Ten game the rest of the season
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How's that coaching? I seriously don't understand what your trying to say here. Is it coaching when an official tells a defender to get his hands off of an offensive player? Tells a player to get out of the lane? Tells a player to stop flopping? Tells a player to stop complaining?
Here was my issue with the refs. Jok couldn't move without being held by Purdue. It would be multiple times each possession not just once in a while. Then what really made it worst would be the ticky tack fouls that got called on the other end. Iowa would have won by 30 if the refs didn't do their best to keep Purdue in the game.
Yes, I would say all of those are coaching. Your job is to enforce the rules; if a player is in the lane for 3 seconds you call the violation -- but to warn them in advance that they better get out would be coaching.
I'm am not a certified basketball official, so maybe one of them could correct me. But this is a general rule in sports officiating -- you don't coach the players, you simply enforce the rules. The only exception I can think of is if play is getting too rough you might tell both team (or preferably both coaches) that they need to calm down. That's part of a dialogue to help things go more smoothly, and it's different because you are making a fairly general comment for both teams -- not a specific piece of advice to a single player.
I appreciate this response. Way to keep it civil. At this point I agree to disagree. I think that's really good officiating and not coaching to me.
Thanks. And just to be clear -- I'm not actually stating that as my opinion on how it should be. I'm saying I'm pretty sure that's part of the official ethics of officiating. I would expect that it's something discussed in workshops, training, etc. That's why I would be interested in hearing from a basketball official, because I'm either factually correct or factually wrong.
Such a good topic. Perhaps more officials and retired officials could contribute. I'm sure the would add value.
I called two friends that are now retired HS officials. Both said that they thought it a proper part of officiating to give the coaches and players a head's up as to how they were seeing certain things. Both said it wasn't really coaching but just keeping everyone on the same page.
Can you imagine what basketball would look like in the modern world if every foul was called? We're Midwestern guys and our boys grow up playing pretty physical basketball. Its not like the Hawks don't play physical ball; all I want is to see our opponent's not permitted to play more physically than the refs let the Hawks play.
I called two friends that are now retired HS officials. Both said that they thought it a proper part of officiating to give the coaches and players a head's up as to how they were seeing certain things. Both said it wasn't really coaching but just keeping everyone on the same page.
Can you imagine what basketball would look like in the modern world if every foul was called? We're Midwestern guys and our boys grow up playing pretty physical basketball. Its not like the Hawks don't play physical ball; all I want is to see our opponent's not permitted to play more physically than the refs let the Hawks play.
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